Misunderstandings about hearing the Lord
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amigo de christo
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That man is running like his head be on fire and his hind quarters be a catching quickly . YES INDEED SISTER
lambs dont sit at the table of strange doctrine , THEY FLEE it and dont look back .
Ritajanice
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1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
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1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
St. SteVen
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As we say in the USA, she "threw the book at you." - LOL
Seems to be a smoke screen. Not sure why. Seems disrespectful to the topic.
Do you owe her an apology for anything? That might clear things up.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Ecclesiasticus 22:13
“Talk not much with a fool, and go not to him that hath no understanding: beware of him, lest thou have trouble, and thou shalt never be defiled with his fooleries: depart from him, and thou shalt find rest, and never be disquieted with madness.”
St. SteVen
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Thanks for the reply back. :)
Does one's Born Again experience usually reside with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit? Going back to one of your previous posts (I think it was), you asked about what happened when Jesus breathed onto the apostles and said receive the Holy Spirit, compared to what happened at Pentecost to them, which was the Baptism. When I was born again several years back, I thought it coincided with the Baptism too, based on my personal and powerful experience. In the past month, reading some testimonies by other members here, I'm now doubting my experience was both events, rather than just one.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
What does the Bible say about arguing with foolish people?
Proverbs 26:4-14 In-Context
4 Don't answer the foolish arguments of fools, or you will become as foolish as they are. 5 Be sure to answer the foolish arguments of fools, or they will become wise in their own estimation. 6 Trusting a fool to convey a message is like cutting off one's feet or drinking poison
St. SteVen
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Someone else must have brought up the bit about Jesus breathing on the disciples, saying "Receive the Holy Spirit."
But it is a worthy point to discuss. (unless I don't remember) Obviously, they had the Spirit (indwelling) prior to the outpouring at Pentecost.
Jesus asked them to wait in Jerusalem for the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
So, the indwelling and the Baptism are two separate things, SINCE WE CAN SEPARATE THEM,
but they MAY occur simultaneously as we see happening in some cases.
Furthermore, the two can be tested separately to see if both have happened.
The indwelling will produce fruit unto righteousness (the fruit of the Spirit),
and the Baptism with the Spirit will be evident in manifestations of the Spirit.
(see the list of spiritual gifts in 1 Corinthians chapter twelve)
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Ritajanice
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St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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Usually.
When someone says, "Your good.", I say...
"That's not what my Mother said... but we'll go with that." - LOL
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St. SteVen
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Not before?
Some Christians are not baptized for years after their conversion.
Were they NOT indwelt that whole time?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
I got that wrong..therefore deleted my original post.
It’s hard to explain....I believe the indwelling happens at the same time we are being baptised..
As he indwells us, he testifies with our spirit that we are children of God..he speaks to our spirit as his Holy Spirit baptises us.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Brother, I can only speak of my own baptism in the Holy Spirit.
I don’t understand your question...no disrespect..it doesn’t make sense to me.
Online commentary.
When we receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, we are totally immersed and covered and filled with the Holy Ghost. Jesus also used the word baptism in connection with the outpouring of the Holy Ghost. He explained to His disciples that just as John had baptized with water, they would be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
St. SteVen
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Here's my view, if it helps.
Baptism is a religious ceremony. A religious ceremony should be an outward sign of an inward reality.
Therefore, the indwelling should already be present in the one baptized. Baptism is a public declaration of that fact.
But this is NOT to diminish the power of that moment, BOTH in the life of the believer and those that witness the event.
This is why we call it Believer's baptism.
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St. SteVen
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