Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

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The Learner

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googled is israel today using child soldiers About 182,000,000 results (0.44 seconds)

"Though there was no proof that Palestinian armed factions who openly opposed using minors in warfare routinely recruited youngsters, many under the age of 18 receive military training. Multiple children become messengers and couriers. Children occasionally deploy suicide bombs and fight in attacks against Israeli soldiers and civilians. Moreover, all major political parties, including Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, involve youngsters in this way. Between October 2000 and March 2004, at least nine children sacrificed themselves in suicide bombings in Israel and the Occupied Territories. According to Palestinian non-governmental organizations, from September 2000 to March 2004, 30 youngsters actively participating in organized military activity died. Most of the fatalities happened as a consequence of explosive mishaps or during violent encounters with Israeli soldiers."

In the past Israel used children in non-combat support and as human shields.
In the current conflict they are obeying International Law of not using Children as soilders.
 

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Thanks for posting a bunch of verses. Any point to it? Some verse you think relates to the discussion for example?
always check context, Those verses were fulfilled before modern times and do not apply to 1948.
 

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My wife will kick me off soon. I am not going to keep up. summary of main points please. Thanks, Daniel
 
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I am not correcting the bible, but explaining what is actually written.
In your head, yes. Out here in the real world your explanation is weak.
As for "no invasion or time of trouble and subsequent salvation coming"-- Salvation began to come with the coming of Christ, and indeed was finished on the cross. But you misunderstand, that [was] the greatest time of tribulation the world will ever know, which comes upon men "but each one in his own order", and yet upon Christ that very hour...and "It is finished."
I understand that that was not the greatest tribulation in the world actually. Jesus made it clear that in the end time the greatest time of trouble, unlike any other time would happen. Strike 2 for oracle.
 

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"All" is what Jesus said. I just repeated it.

Believe it or not.
Let's look at it then

Here are some of the things

Mat 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.


7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.


14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

That did not happen in the generation of Jesus. The oracle struck out
 

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No. They deserve as much as Gazans. But thankfully God does not give us what we deserve when we accept Him. God plans for all Israel to be saved one day. That does not mean in their present condition. That will be when they go through trials and finally believe. So if your question is whether Israel deserves the judgments and trials that are to come, that seems insulting to God. He chastens us for our benefit. His judgments are to be desired more than fine gold. We are not special by birth but by belief. God chose a nation to reach the world and send His Messiah through. When He came, they rejected and killed Him. So in their present unbelieving state they are not brought to that land and protected by God as they one day will be. What you have is people moving to part of the promised land (as you know the actual lands promised are far bigger) and acting as if God brought them back already, with no need for Jesus. No man sneaks around the back wall and climbs over to get into heaven (or in this case His promises to be His people protected and restored and ruled by Him), There is only one way. One door.
God achieves His purposes by working through people. (See, e.g., book of Esther). Story: a Christian in a bad flood waited for rescue on the roof of his house. When a boat came by to help, he said, “No need, God will save me in His time.” The water rose higher; another boat came, etc. Finally, the Christian drowned. When he faced judgment, he asked, “Why did You not save me?” The answer: “You clearly did not understand God’s words: He sent three boats!“
 

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No. They deserve as much as Gazans. But thankfully God does not give us what we deserve when we accept Him. God plans for all Israel to be saved one day. That does not mean in their present condition. That will be when they go through trials and finally believe. So if your question is whether Israel deserves the judgments and trials that are to come, that seems insulting to God. He chastens us for our benefit. His judgments are to be desired more than fine gold. We are not special by birth but by belief. God chose a nation to reach the world and send His Messiah through. When He came, they rejected and killed Him. So in their present unbelieving state they are not brought to that land and protected by God as they one day will be. What you have is people moving to part of the promised land (as you know the actual lands promised are far bigger) and acting as if God brought them back already, with no need for Jesus. No man sneaks around the back wall and climbs over to get into heaven (or in this case His promises to be His people protected and restored and ruled by Him), There is only one way. One door.
We are not deceived by anti-semitism thinly veiled with faux Christianity.
 

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God achieves His purposes by working through people. (See, e.g., book of Esther). Story: a Christian in a bad flood waited for rescue on the roof of his house. When a boat came by to help, he said, “No need, God will save me in His time.” The water rose higher; another boat came, etc. Finally, the Christian drowned. When he faced judgment, he asked, “Why did You not save me?” The answer: “You clearly did not understand God’s words: He sent three boats!“
The crimes against humanity we see from Israel now clearly show us that they are not of God in what they do. Bombing a hospital killing hundreds should make anyone who tried to justify them hang their heads in shame.
 

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We are not deceived by anti-semitism thinly veiled with faux Christianity.
It is a sin to justify the crimes against humanity we see there now. Whoever the 'we' are that support that have no place in representing Scripture or Jesus.
 

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I understand that that was not the greatest tribulation in the world actually. Jesus made it clear that in the end time the greatest time of trouble, unlike any other time would happen. Strike 2 for oracle.

Jesus took [all] tribulation upon himself on the cross--meaning that any other single event in all of world history would only be part and not all. If you deny this, you deny what Jesus has done. Plain and simple.

As for your misunderstanding...what Jesus did was to identify the [actual] time of the great tribulation. You simply could not imagine it and therefore have believed the foretold "lie" that has caused the foretold "strong delusion" to come upon so many, rightly called "the great apostacy"...just as it is written.

But--I had enough of you. Change or be cut off.
 

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Let's look at it then

Here are some of the things

Mat 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.


7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.


12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.


14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

That did not happen in the generation of Jesus. The oracle struck out

Your comprehension is not very good.

I was not referring to that--because Jesus did not say "all" regarding those things. He spoke rather of woe, and judgement, and all that would come as a result of Israel's actions and His crucifixion--meaning our own sins as well, indeed "once for all"--all people and all tribulations (the result of all sins).

All of which you and many have not fully understood. Apparently.