Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

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The Learner

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False. He will give it to them in the future when they are saved. He did try to give it to them in the past. He also allowed them to be removed from it! He did not give it to them today.

Amos 9:13
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.


Amos 9:14
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.


Amos 9:15
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the Lord thy God.
For anyone with an elementary knowledge of the bible and prophesy they know when that time is that crops will grow wonderfully etc. The Millennium.
If you want to quote Scripture get some small inkling what you are talking about.


The fact that you pretend that not agreeing with terrorism of Israel killing civilians 'perpetuates terrorism' shows you are not a straight shooter.


Who cares what it says?


As long as they behaved they had it. When they did not He booted them out. The next time around He is giving it back to them (this time the gigantic whole promised land) is after they accept Jesus. Not before.

Amos 9

Easy-to-Read Version

Vision of the Lord Standing by the Altar​

9 I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and he said,
“Hit the top of the columns,
and shake them to the ground.
Push them and they will fall
on everyone’s head.
As for those who survive,
I will kill them with a sword.
None of them will run away.
None of them will escape.
2 If they dig deep into the ground,[a]
I will pull them from there.
If they go up into the skies,[b]
I will bring them down from there.
3 If they hide at the top of Mount Carmel,[c]
I will find them there and take them from that place.
If they try to hide from me at the bottom of the sea,
I will command the snake, and it will bite them.
4 If they are captured and taken away by their enemies,
I will command the sword,
and it will kill them there.
Yes, I will watch over them,
but I will watch for ways to give them troubles,
not for ways to do good things.”

Punishment Will Destroy the People​

5 The Lord God All-Powerful will touch the land,
and the land will melt.
Then all the people who live in the land will cry for the dead.
The land will rise and fall
like the Nile River in Egypt.
6 He built his upper rooms above the skies.
He put his skies[d] over the earth.
He calls for the waters of the sea
and pours them out as rain on the land.
Yahweh is his name.

The Lord Promises Destruction for Israel​

7 This is what the Lord says:
“Israel, you are like the Ethiopians to me.
I brought Israel out of the land of Egypt,
the Philistines from Caphtor,[e]
and the Arameans from Kir.[f]”
8 The Lord God is watching this sinful kingdom.
The Lord says,
“I will wipe Israel off the face of the earth,
but I will never completely destroy Jacob’s family.
9 I am giving the command
to scatter the people of Israel among all nations.
But it will be like someone sifting flour.
A person shakes flour through a sifter.[g]
The good flour falls through, but the bad lumps are caught.
10 “Sinners among my people say,
‘Nothing bad will happen to us.’
But all of them will be killed with swords.”

God Promises to Restore the Kingdom​

11 “David’s tent[h] has fallen,
but at that time I will set it up again.
I will fix its holes and repair its ruined parts.
I will set it up as it was before.
12 Then the people left alive in Edom,
and all the people called by my name, will look to me for help.”
This is what the Lord said,
and he will make it happen.
13 The Lord says, “A time of great blessing is coming.
Workers will still be harvesting
when it is time to plow the fields again.
They will still be trampling the grapes
when it is time for a new crop.
Sweet wine will drip from the mountains
and pour from the hills.
14 I will bring my people, Israel,
back from captivity.
They will rebuild the ruined cities,
and they will live in them.
They will plant vineyards
and drink the wine they produce.
They will plant gardens
and eat the crops they produce.
15 I will plant my people on their land,
and never again will they be pulled up out of the land that I gave them.”
This is what the Lord your God said.

Footnotes​

  1. Amos 9:2 ground Literally, “Sheol, the place of the dead.”
  2. Amos 9:2 skies Or “heaven.”
  3. Amos 9:3 Mount Carmel A mountain in northern Israel. This name means “God’s vineyard.” This shows that it was a very fertile hill.
  4. Amos 9:6 skies Literally, “dome” or “vault.”
  5. Amos 9:7 Caphtor An island west of Israel, probably Crete or Cyprus.
  6. Amos 9:7 Kir Where the Arameans came from and where the Assyrians sent them in exile. There are several places with this name.
  7. Amos 9:9 sifter Something like a cup with a screen on its bottom. A sifter is used for removing large lumps from the good flour.
  8. Amos 9:11 David’s tent This probably means the city of Jerusalem or the country of Judah.
 

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Amos 9 fullfilled
"The time of the restoration would be "in that day" (Amos 9:11; 5:18-20). It would be a day when God would purge the nation by its devastation. It would be a day of judgment. This occurred in 722 B.C. and in 586 B.C. The remnant of "Joseph" in the South (5:15) survived until 586 B.C."
 

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Surround yourself willingly with snakes, expect to get bit or suffer with the vermin when the exterminator arrives.

Too bad you and the Palestinians don’t understand the concept.
 

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If you know of one hiding in a certain apartment somewhere, move in and arrest him? The answer is not to kill the folks he is supposedly hiding behind.

Yes. Pure evil

Not a good one, Not one God likes. If He ordered an operation in Israel's past He knew who was who and was perfectly just. Israel today is on their own and anything but just by killing all those children.



What a horrible thing to say! I would call that a hate crime.
Do you really think the evil people outside is going to let one go in to arrest anyone? really? be serious friend.
 

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That is obvious. But since many Christians preach supporting Israel, it is mete to point out that they are supporting the bombing of apartments, convoys, inhuman starving and water deprivation etc.
I am not aware how many Christians preach supporting Israel? I know about the 1948 thing.
 

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1882-1903: First Aliyah
The First Aliyah brings an estimated 25,000-35,000 immigrants to Palestine, the majority of them fleeing anti-Jewish pogroms in Eastern Europe.

1894: Dreyfus Affair
French Jewish army officer Alfred Dreyfus is wrongly convicted of espionage. The case has a galvanizing effect on the development of Zionism by underscoring the precariousness of Jewish life in Europe.

1896: Herzl’s “The Jewish State”
Theodor Herzl, an Austro-Hungarian journalist who covered the Dreyfus trial as a correspondent, publishes Der Judenstaat (“The Jewish State”), in which he proposes the creation of a Jewish state as the solution to anti-Semitism.

Aug. 29, 1897: First Zionist Congress

April 19, 1903: Kishinev Pogrom
The Kishinev Pogrom in the Russian Empire, in what is now Moldova, kills dozens of Jews and results in the destruction of hundreds of homes and business, prompting tens of thousands of Russian Jews to flee to Palestine.

April 11, 1909: Tel Aviv Founded

Nov. 2, 1917: Balfour Declaration
Britain issues the Balfour Declaration, endorsing the establishment of a national home in Palestine for the Jewish people.

Oct. 30, 1918: World War I Ends
The Armistice of Mudros ends World War I in the Middle East and begins the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, which had occupied Palestine since the 16th century.

June 1920: Haganah Founded
The Haganah is founded as an independent defense force for Jews in Palestine.

July 24, 1922: British Mandate Starts
The League of Nations adopts the Mandate for Palestine, granting Britain temporary authority over the territory.

Aug. 24, 1929: Hebron Massacre

Palestinian Arabs kill dozens of Jews and wound scores more in what will come to be known as the Hebron Massacre.

JTA ARCHIVE: At Least 66 Jews Dead in Saturday’s Palestine Warfare
 

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1929: Fifth Aliyah Begins
The Fifth Aliyah begins, bringing over 200,000 Jews mainly from central and eastern Europe to pre-state Israel over the course of the decade leading up to World War II. Driven in large part by the Nazi rise to power in Germany in the early 1930s, the large numbers of new arrivals exacerbate tensions between Jews and Arabs.

1936: Arab Revolt
Palestinian Arabs revolt against British rule, demanding Arab independence and the end of Jewish immigration.

JTA ARCHIVE: Arab Strike Partially Halts Palestine’s Activities

May 23, 1939: The White Paper
The British House of Commons approves the White Paper of 1939, which severely restricts Jewish immigration to Palestine at precisely the moment when the Nazi rise to power is prompting growing numbers of European Jews to seek refuge there.

May 15, 1941 : Palmach Created


Nov. 29, 1947: UN Partition Plan



The United Nations votes to partition Palestine into two states, one Jewish and one Arab. Zionist leaders agree to the plan, but the leaders of several Arab countries and of the Palestinian Arab community reject it, leading to intercommunal clashes that ultimately develop into a full-blown civil war.

JTA ARCHIVE: UN Decision Prompts Celebrations in Jewish DP Camps Throughout Germany

December 1947: Arab Siege of Jerusalem Begins
Anger over the partition vote prompts rioting in Jerusalem that claims more than a dozen lives. The fighting marks the beginning of the Arab siege of Jerusalem, which seeks to cut off the 100,000 Jewish residents of the city from the rest of the country.

JTA ARCHIVE: Zionist Political Body Hopes Arabs Accept Friendship Offer
 

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April 9, 1948: Deir Yassin
More than 100 Arabs, including women and children, are killed by Jewish fighters in the village of Deir Yassin.

May 14, 1948: State of Israel Established


David Ben-Gurion proclaims the establishment of Israel in a ceremony in Tel Aviv on the day the British officially end their rule in Palestine. The following day, Israel is invaded by the armies of five Arab states, beginning the War of Independence.

JTA Archive: Jews Throughout US Celebrate Proclamation of State

Feb. 24, 1949: Armistice with Egypt
An armistice agreement is signed between Israel and Egypt, formally ending hostilities. Israel signs similar agreements with Jordan, Lebanon and Syria in the months to come.

May 11, 1949: Israel Admitted to UN
Israel is admitted as a member state of the United Nations following a vote of the General Assembly.

June 1949: Major Immigration Waves Begin


Israel launches Operation Magic Carpet, which brings tens of thousands of Yemenite Jews to the Jewish state. Hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern Jews will eventually resettle in the Jewish state, driven by mounting persecution and expulsion prompted by Israel’s establishment. More than two-thirds of Jewish displaced persons in Europe also arrive in the Jewish state between 1948 and 1951.

JTA ARCHIVE: First Stage of Airlift Flying Yemenite Jews to Israel Completed

Oct. 29, 1956: Suez Crisis
Israel invades Egypt as part of a secret pact with France and Britain, prompting intense international criticism that eventually leads the three nations to withdraw.

1962: Dimona Nuclear Reactor
Israel’s nuclear reactor at Dimona begins operations. Israel has never formally acknowledged that the reactor produces weapons materials, but the country is widely believed to possess nuclear weapons capacity.
 

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June 1, 1962: Eichmann Execution
Eichmann’s trial judges Benjamin Halevi, Moshe Landau and Yitzhak Raveh. (Israel GPO)
Adolf Eichmann is executed after having been found guilty by an Israeli court of crimes against humanity. The trial marks a turning point in Israeli discussion of the Holocaust and prompts many Holocaust survivors to speak of their wartime experiences for the first time.

JTA ARCHIVE: Eichmann Hanged; Plea for Clemency Denied

June 2, 1964: PLO Founded
The Palestine Liberation Organization is founded to “mobilize the Palestinian people to recover their usurped homeland.”

JTA ARCHIVE: “Palestine Liberation Organization” Established by Arab Refugees

June 5, 1967: Six Day War

The Six Day War begins. In the course of the war, in which the Jewish state’s survival is threatened by forces of five Arab armies, Israel vastly expands the territory under its control, seizing the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and the Golan Heights from Syria. Israel also reunifies Jerusalem after capturing the city’s eastern half and the West Bank from Jordan.

JTA ARCHIVE: Israeli Forces Destroy Arab Air Might, Rout Their Armies, Liberate Old City and Gaza Strip

Sept. 1, 1967: Khartoum Resolution
The Arab League issues the Khartoum Resolution with its famous “three no’s”: no peace with Israel, no negotiations with Israel and no recognition of Israel.

September, 1967: First West Bank Settlement
A Kfar Etzion school in 2015. (Avishai Teicher/PikiWiki Israel)
Construction begins in Kfar Etzion, an Israeli community in the West Bank destroyed in the 1948 war and re-established following the Six Day War. The construction sets off decades of Israeli settlement building in the territory that most of the world considers illegal.
 

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Nov. 22, 1967: UN Resolution 242
In a unanimous vote, the U.N. Security Council adopts resolution 242, calling for Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied during the Six Day War and respect for the rights of all states to live in peace and security. That formula — land for peace — will form the basis of Arab-Israeli peacemaking efforts for decades.

Sept. 5, 1972: Terror at Munich Olympics
During the Summer Olympics in Munich, Palestinian gunmen sneak into apartments housing 11 members of the Israeli team, taking them hostage and eventually killing them during a failed rescue operation.

JTA ARCHIVE: 80,000 from 120 Nations Pay Homage to 11 Slain Israeli Athletes

Oct. 6, 1973: Yom Kippur War Begins
The Yom Kippur War begins when a coalition of Arab states launches a surprise attack on Israel on the holiest day of the Jewish calendar.

JTA ARCHIVE: Eban Says Israel’s Casualties Heavy

Nov. 10, 1975: UN Resolution 3379
The United Nations General Assembly adopts resolution 3379 declaring that “Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination.”

JTA ARCHIVE: Reform Leaders “Say Kaddish” for “Moral Collapse” of the UN

July 4, 1976: Entebbe Rescue Operation
Rescued Air France passengers at Israel’s Ben-Gurion Airport, July 4, 1976. (Moshe Milner/Israel GPO)
Israeli commandos mount a successful rescue operation at Entebbe Airport in Uganda, freeing over 100 hostages taken after the hijacking of an Air France flight from Tel Aviv to Paris.

JTA ARCHIVE: How the Rescue Took Place

May 17, 1977: Likud “Upheaval”
The right-wing Likud party, led by Menachem Begin, wins parliamentary elections in a landslide, ending decades of left-wing domination of Israeli politics in an event that comes to be known as “the upheaval.”

JTA ARCHIVE: West Bank Mayors React to Likud Victory

Nov. 19, 1977: Sadat Addresses Knesset
Egypt’s Anwar Sadat becomes the first Arab leader to visit Israel, meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and addressing lawmakers in the Knesset.
 

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JTA ARCHIVE: Sadat Says Egypt Ready for Peace

Sept. 17, 1978: Camp David Accords
Sadat, Carter and Begin at the conclusion of the Camp David Accords, Sept. 17, 1978. (Wikimedia Commons)
Israel and Egypt sign the Camp David Accords after days of negotiations brokered by U.S. President Jimmy Carter. The agreement leads to awarding of the 1978 Nobel Peace Prize to Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat and to the 1979 signing of Israel’s first peace treaty with an Arab state.

June 6, 1982 — Lebanon War Begins
Israel invades southern Lebanon in an effort to stop attacks on civilians in northern Israel, resulting in the expulsion of the Palestinian Liberation Organization from Lebanon.

Sept. 16, 1982 — Sabra and Shatila Massacre
Christian Phalangists begin massacring hundreds of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon in what becomes known as the Sabra and Shatila massacre. An Israeli governmental commission will later find Defense Minister Ariel Sharon indirectly responsible for the killings.

JTA ARCHIVE: Cabinet Rejects Accusations that Israel Was Responsible for Massacre of Palestinians in Beirut

Nov. 21, 1984: Operation Moses
Israel launches Operation Moses, the covert evacuation of thousands of Ethiopian Jewish refugees from Sudan.

Dec. 9, 1987: Intifada Begins
Protests erupt in a Palestinian refugee camp in the Gaza Strip, setting off the violent uprising that comes to be known as the First Palestinian Intifada.



 

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Acts 4:28 deals with that argument.

27 “For truly against Your holy Servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together 28 to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose determined before to be done
But you don't! You only underscore a certain assumption based on an erroneous understanding of the character of God
 

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You clearly have never read the OT about Israel.

Ezekiel 36
24 For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
25 Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols.
26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will keep My judgments and do them.
28 Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
29 I will deliver you from all your uncleannesses. I will call for the grain and multiply it, and bring no famine upon you.
You clearly seem to fail to realize that unsaved people are not clean and God sprinkled. Once they receive Jesus they will be.
 
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Amos 9​

Easy-to-Read Version​

Vision of the Lord Standing by the Altar​

9 I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and he said,
“Hit the top of the columns,
and shake them to the ground.
Push them and they will fall
on everyone’s head.
As for those who survive,
I will kill them with a sword.
None of them will run away.
None of them will escape.
2 If they dig deep into the ground,[a]
I will pull them from there.
If they go up into the skies,[b]
I will bring them down from there.
3 If they hide at the top of Mount Carmel,[c]
I will find them there and take them from that place.
If they try to hide from me at the bottom of the sea,
I will command the snake, and it will bite them.
4 If they are captured and taken away by their enemies,
I will command the sword,
and it will kill them there.
Yes, I will watch over them,
but I will watch for ways to give them troubles,
not for ways to do good things.”

Punishment Will Destroy the People​

5 The Lord God All-Powerful will touch the land,
and the land will melt.
Then all the people who live in the land will cry for the dead.
The land will rise and fall
like the Nile River in Egypt.
6 He built his upper rooms above the skies.
He put his skies[d] over the earth.
He calls for the waters of the sea
and pours them out as rain on the land.
Yahweh is his name.

The Lord Promises Destruction for Israel​

7 This is what the Lord says:
“Israel, you are like the Ethiopians to me.
I brought Israel out of the land of Egypt,
the Philistines from Caphtor,[e]
and the Arameans from Kir.[f]”
8 The Lord God is watching this sinful kingdom.
The Lord says,
“I will wipe Israel off the face of the earth,
but I will never completely destroy Jacob’s family.
9 I am giving the command
to scatter the people of Israel among all nations.
But it will be like someone sifting flour.
A person shakes flour through a sifter.[g]
The good flour falls through, but the bad lumps are caught.
10 “Sinners among my people say,
‘Nothing bad will happen to us.’
But all of them will be killed with swords.”

God Promises to Restore the Kingdom​

11 “David’s tent[h] has fallen,
but at that time I will set it up again.
I will fix its holes and repair its ruined parts.
I will set it up as it was before.
12 Then the people left alive in Edom,
and all the people called by my name, will look to me for help.”
This is what the Lord said,
and he will make it happen.
13 The Lord says, “A time of great blessing is coming.
Workers will still be harvesting
when it is time to plow the fields again.
They will still be trampling the grapes
when it is time for a new crop.
Sweet wine will drip from the mountains
and pour from the hills.
14 I will bring my people, Israel,
back from captivity.
They will rebuild the ruined cities,
and they will live in them.
They will plant vineyards
and drink the wine they produce.
They will plant gardens
and eat the crops they produce.
15 I will plant my people on their land,
and never again will they be pulled up out of the land that I gave them.”
This is what the Lord your God said.

Footnotes​

  1. Amos 9:2 ground Literally, “Sheol, the place of the dead.”
  2. Amos 9:2 skies Or “heaven.”
  3. Amos 9:3 Mount Carmel A mountain in northern Israel. This name means “God’s vineyard.” This shows that it was a very fertile hill.
  4. Amos 9:6 skies Literally, “dome” or “vault.”
  5. Amos 9:7 Caphtor An island west of Israel, probably Crete or Cyprus.
  6. Amos 9:7 Kir Where the Arameans came from and where the Assyrians sent them in exile. There are several places with this name.
  7. Amos 9:9 sifter Something like a cup with a screen on its bottom. A sifter is used for removing large lumps from the good flour.
  8. Amos 9:11 David’s tent This probably means the city of Jerusalem or the country of Judah.
Thanks for posting a bunch of verses. Any point to it? Some verse you think relates to the discussion for example?