Since more children and people have been killed by Israel than in the terrorist attack, should they stop?

[JohnDB]

Are there women in the military?
Are there such things as child soldiers?

Is an unarmed combatant still a combatant?

These are the issues generated by terrorist warfare.
And make no mistake....Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran are very much in the business of creating terrorist, guerrilla warfare.

 

[ScottA]

For prayer, our focus is on this world. That His will be done here one day, for example. We do not need to pray for Peter or Paul or David or anyone else in heaven!


Strange babel. How is realizing that people still on earth need prayer and not those in heaven 'fighting the fires of heaven'!? Weird

It is as I have been saying, you misunderstand.

You are under the wrong impression. There is no one as yet in heaven in the way you think, that you/we should pray for them. On the contrary, while all who come into the world come "but each one in his own order", because God and heaven "are the same yesterday, today, and forever"--we do not enter heaven in our "own order", but together--which in the reality of God and not of this world, is rather together "in Christ" (past tense). So then, not past or even future per se--and you nor they, as it is written, have missed anything. And while it is true that "mind has not imagined"--even so, these things are true.

The problem then, is not that you pray for those here in need--not at all. Please do so! But the problem rather is that you speculate by your own understanding what is not actually true, even crossing the line as Peter did in not wanting Christ to go to the cross or to die. Should he, or now you, not have the feelings you do regarding such atrocities? --That is not the point, and yes you should have a conscience against such things--that much is good. But the problem is crossing that line to stop the full suffering of Christ. Cry, pray, protest, fight...but take care not to do these things against God who was and is pleased to cause Him to suffer to the end.

 

[bluedragon]

So they answer is is mass murder the children they hid at some time among?

The object of war in my knowledge of history was to conquer or gain or etc. Not to kill as many innocents as possible.

So you condemn them for killing babies but think it is fine for Israel to mass kill babies in a population of 2,3 million people?

Protecting people does not mean mass murdering innocents.

So, the answer within your line of reasoning ......stop

Hamas kills all Jews and frees Israel .....That's your answer.

following that

Hamas kills all Jews in Europe

Hamas kills all Jews in every country in the world and finally ......

Kills all Jews in the US

Kills all Christians, Kill all atheists ..... They won't stop until the world is ruled by Muslims and every Bible burned.....

If we used that line of reasoning ......why did we fight to stop the Nazi's? From killing Jews?

No, I think the reality is to stop Hamas in it's tracks .....That has historically been done before .....

The liberal mind is a terrible waste of supposed intelligence.

 

[amigo de christo]

Be3cause with Hamas and thug groups like them, they hide among the people and there are teens and women that ear arms as well.

War is terrible, but when one has to fight war, the object of war is to kill people and break things to bring your enemy to surrender.
It was Hamas who beheaded babies, caused babies to commit fellatio, raped women murdered children and burned people alive. They are not operating under the rules of war. Israel warned people to leave Gaza, if they stayed they take their chances. It was far more than what Hamas did.

As a believer, this is the world, and worldly governments must protect their citizens as per Romans 13.

Men will do as men will do and govts will do as govts will do .
But i tell us all a mystery . Even if i lived in a land where true biblical christains were seen
as the ENEMY of all humanity , hunted to the ends of the earth and surrounded on every side
by all tribes nations and kings of this world . COULD NOT A ONE KILL ME LEST GOD ALLOWED IT . PEROID
and IF HE DO ALLOW IT , THEN AMEN I AM WITH HIM FOREVER . EITHER WAY I WIN and the LORD IS GLORIFIED .
That is all that matters . NOW LIFT THOSE HANDS , IT IS LORD PRAISING TIME In the building and round the world .
And on that note i want us to also envision this .
LETS say the the govt did support true christains
and we had all the armies of the world on our side
and one singel enemy came against me . IF MYTIME IS UP , That one singel man will kill me .
IN OTHER WORDS , i wont worry a bit about it . GOD ALONE is in control , and IN HE ALONE shall i trust .
NOW raise those hands its LORD praising time in the building and round the world .
MAN i bet its hard to imagine the mind that has that kind of peace . BUT THEN if the mind be STAYED UPON THE LORD
IT HAS GREAT PEACE no matter what its circumstances look like . Now , let me not forget to remind us all
ITS LORD PRAISING TIME IN THE BUILDING . OH what great peace has he whose mind is stayed upon and that trusts
in HIS LORD . no fear of death , JESUS DONE CONQUERED IT . PARADISE awaits this lamb
and it sure as heck aint cause I EARNED NOR DESERVEED IT . I sure as heck was not ENTITLED TO IT .
TRUTH IS i earned , deserved and was entitled to one thing , THE SECOND DEATH .
NOW you may wonder why i am so happy . CAUSE THANKS BE TO GOD ALONE , HIS GRACE ALONE
given me in CHRIST ALONE , THIS lamb dont get what it deserved but rather PARADISE . now dont that just want to make you sing
praises to the LORD all day long .

 

[BlessedPeace]

So, the answer within your line of reasoning ......stop

Hamas kills all Jews and frees Israel .....That's your answer.

following that

Hamas kills all Jews in Europe

Hamas kills all Jews in every country in the world and finally ......

Kills all Jews in the US

Kills all Christians, Kill all atheists ..... They won't stop until the world is ruled by Muslims and every Bible burned.....

If we used that line of reasoning ......why did we fight to stop the Nazi's? From killing Jews?

No, I think the reality is to stop Hamas in it's tracks .....That has historically been done before .....

The liberal mind is a terrible waste of supposed intelligence.

Is it a Liberal mind that condemned Jesus dying on the cross?

 

[Scott Downey]

It is as I have been saying, you misunderstand.

You are under the wrong impression. There is no one as yet in heaven in the way you think, that you/we should pray for them. On the contrary, while all who come into the world come "but each one in his own order", because God and heaven "are the same yesterday, today, and forever"--we do not enter heaven in our "own order", but together--which in the reality of God and not of this world, is rather together "in Christ" (past tense). So then, not past or even future per se--and you nor they, as it is written, have missed anything. And while it is true that "mind has not imagined"--even so, these things are true.

The problem then, is not that you pray for those here in need--not at all. Please do so! But the problem rather is that you speculate by your own understanding what is not actually true, even crossing the line as Peter did in not wanting Christ to go to the cross or to die. Should he, or now you, not have the feelings you do regarding such atrocities? --That is not the point, and yes you should have a conscience against such things--that much is good. But the problem is crossing that line to stop the full suffering of Christ. Cry, pray, protest, fight...but take care not to do these things against God who was and is pleased to cause Him to suffer to the end.

No one should let the bad things that happen in this world shake their faith, but should serve to let us grow stronger in our faith in God and Christ. But even if you be shaken, God is at work to purify your faith and love for Him, this world is passing away and the lusts of it, but it is so that you shall remain in Him unshakeable.

1 John 2:17
And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever.

Hebrews 12

25 See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven,

26 whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I [a]shake not only the earth, but also heaven.” 27 Now this, “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we [b]may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.

 

[dad]

But you misunderstand. What you are witnessing is not what it appears--you are seeing rather, Christ on the cross suffering the little children. And what you are seeing of us who are now speaking against you, we are His disciples given the opportunity to speak to Peter in you telling Christ “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Try that again, it is fuzzy

 

[dad]

Muslims! First blood in this conflict was drawn by terrorist Muslims.

Not babies then? So why kill the children rather than the terrorists?

You should know the Judeo-Christian histories.

For those of us who do, your umbrage is deeply artificial and wholly uninformed.

Yours is. Nya Nya

While your contempt for Israel,Jews,Christians,and America and Americans, is impossible to miss.

At least I prefer not to wipe out civilians. You should try it sometime.

Anyone who is actually against violence does not defend violent terrorists as having a right to slaughter Israelis.

Blowing up babies in apartments is not defending against anything. It is murder.

 

[dad]

So, the answer within your line of reasoning ......stop

Stop killing people in apartments. Yes please.

Hamas kills all Jews and frees Israel .....That's your answer.

No. I gave my answer. Accept your Messiah and have Him give you the promised land and protect you etc. I said kill the terrorists, that is justice. What I do not agree with is blowing up scores of apartments with people in them.

following that

Hamas kills all Jews in Europe

Hamas kills all Jews in every country in the world and finally ......

Kills all Jews in the US

My, you seem to think Hamas is the bogey man! Strawman argument.

Kills all Christians, Kill all atheists ..... They won't stop until the world is ruled by Muslims and every Bible burned.....

If wishes were horses.... Sorry, those punks won't be able to do any such thing.

If we used that line of reasoning ......why did we fight to stop the Nazi's? From killing Jews?

Who is 'we'? In Canada they honored a nazi in parliament a few weeks ago! I have relatives in Flander's fields. I learned that they were duped and died for nothing basically. War is not the answer. War is part of the sin problem.

No, I think the reality is to stop Hamas in it's tracks .....That has historically been done before .....

If that means killing untold hordes of families, I can't agree. If it means getting the actual villains, no problem.

The liberal mind is a terrible waste of supposed intelligence.

I wouldn't know.

 

[Scott Downey]

Stop killing people in apartments. Yes please.

No. I gave my answer. Accept your Messiah and have Him give you the promised land and protect you etc. I said kill the terrorists, that is justice. What I do not agree with is blowing up scores of apartments with people in them.

My, you seem to think Hamas is the bogey man! Strawman argument.


If wishes were horses.... Sorry, those punks won't be able to do any such thing.



Who is 'we'? In Canada they honored a nazi in parliament a few weeks ago! I have relatives in Flander's fields. I learned that they were duped and died for nothing basically. War is not the answer. War is part of the sin problem.

If that means killing untold hordes of families, I can't agree. If it means getting the actual villains, no problem.

I wouldn't know.

All your arguments, exasperations, contentions, do nothing and accomplish nothing and never will change anything about what is and will happen.

 

[dad]

All your arguments, exasperations, contentions, do nothing and accomplish nothing and never will change anything about what is and will happen.

I see, so we should not raise concerns when children are being murdered en masse?

 

[Scott Downey]

Hamas should cease to exist. Those remaining Gazan's should flee into Sinai. They keep fighting Israel as they think they can inflame a massive Muslim war against all infields, Takfirs, and the like, so that they can rule in power over an ever-increasing caliphate and dominate the world. What dreams they have are just nightmares though as they continue to fail and go down the path to ruination.

Gazans vote Hamas.

 

[JohnDB]

I see, so we should not raise concerns when children are being murdered en masse?

Can a snake give birth to a dove?
Nope.
Snakes give birth to more snakes.
Pigs give birth to more pigs.

Where I will always acquiesce to God being able to pull a rose out of a pile of manure...
The most likely scenario is that these children will grow up to be terrorists themselves. And many are indeed taking up arms against Israel...if they can hold a gun they would shoot it at IDF. If they can throw rocks they will do that too.

 

[bluedragon]

Stop killing people in apartments. Yes please.

No. I gave my answer. Accept your Messiah and have Him give you the promised land and protect you etc. I said kill the terrorists, that is justice. What I do not agree with is blowing up scores of apartments with people in them.

My, you seem to think Hamas is the bogey man! Strawman argument.


If wishes were horses.... Sorry, those punks won't be able to do any such thing.



Who is 'we'? In Canada they honored a nazi in parliament a few weeks ago! I have relatives in Flander's fields. I learned that they were duped and died for nothing basically. War is not the answer. War is part of the sin problem.

If that means killing untold hordes of families, I can't agree. If it means getting the actual villains, no problem.

I wouldn't know.

Clean up your own house starting with your Prime Minister.

The world has been conflicted for hundreds of years involving Christians, Jews and Islam ...I stated exactly what the problem is ......pacification concerning Islam that has no such consideration of us ....is the problem. If Israel does not correct this now ...Iran throws more money and causes a greater problem in the future .....stop the bleed right now .....Iran is next. If not Lebanon ....

 

[ScottA]

But you misunderstand. What you are witnessing is not what it appears--you are seeing rather, Christ on the cross suffering the little children. And what you are seeing of us who are now speaking against you, we are His disciples given the opportunity to speak to Peter in you telling Christ “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

Try that again, it is fuzzy

There is nothing new under the sun.

If we understand that we are "in Christ" and what the timeless connotations are that such a reality infers, and that it is beyond any reason by any worldly perspective timelines...then we must or should at least consider that all the saved of God throughout all of time in some way share in His suffering in their own way and in their own time. Read that again if you need to.

In which case these enactments that make up our time of sharing in the suffering of Christ, rightly include the things you now are repelled by regarding current events in Israel. Which is to say, we become the jeering crowds, the thieves on the cross, the broken hearted and down trodden for which Christ also came...and this chapter is no real different by definition according to God, but is only different in our own assessment by the variables that make up our individual times by His choosing. You (as are we all) hearing of this slice of atrocity are repelled, and rightly so-- which is why during Peter's being repelled by the very idea that Christ would die, Jesus did not just wipe his name from the book of life, but pushed Peter back over the line he did not even know he crossed for having the otherwise good conscience to be repelled. He simply misunderstood. But here we are in our own moment of atrocity, and you are doing something similar to Peter, while Jesus's disciples of today are not all Peters, but also like the other eleven who may very well have joined Peter--or to take it one step further, speak as one who "to live is Christ." And yet, as knowledge was to increase, we the other eleven have come to learn by their testimony, that Peter (an now you) spoke out of turn, or out of bounds and against what God was and is actually doing.

Meanwhile, we are also repelled by these very same things and actually feel no different than you, and do not speak against what you feel, but rather against the fact that you have ventured out of bounds of understanding that these things must be even unto the end, in spite of our feelings. Which is impossible to rationalize without understanding that all humanity suffers and will suffer the atrocities of death by God's choosing, while in the same act (as in the cross) securing our gain in the Spirit. This is a work of God.

Alternatively, if you do not begin to see what is actually occurring and why and what is actually lost and what is not, then your feelings will get the best of you and you will go from misunderstanding to hating the Author of our salvation, as those who say, "How could a loving God allow such things?" But I would encourage you to consider the sting operation that is occurring at the hand of God, while not loosing your distain for such atrocities...that you should instead weep as Christ wept and prayed, but did not fail to drink the cup of suffering though He could have called down twelve legions of angels to stop it.

 

[Jack]

Is to be....When they accept Jesus

And they will!

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins."

 

[Jack]

The old testament ended with Jesus. This is news?

Only the Law of Moses! There is much info about God in the OT. He can't change.

 

[Jericho]

Israel goes out of its way to minimize civilian casualties, much to its own detriment. Hamas exploits that by embedding themselves with civilians. Hamas actually told their own people not to leave. So, what's Israel to do? It seems they are darned if they do and darned if they don’t.

I won’t give the Christian position, but I will give the practical position. There is this idea today of fighting safer, gentler wars to avoid killing as many civilians as possible. A noble ideal perhaps, but for much of history, this was not how wars were fought. Even during World War II, civilians were not a priority. We, the U.S., dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. Harsh? Yes. But it ended the war and saved American lives. It likely saved more Japanese lives too if we had to invade Japan. The reality is that safe wars only prolong the conflict and end up killing more people. War is hell; best to get it over with as quickly as possible.

But the way we fight wars today only ensures we will have to keep refighting them over and over. There’s a reason why God told Joshua to kill everything that breathes (Deu 20:16–18, Num 33:55–56). Because if you leave even a remnant alive, someday they will grow strong again and you will have to fight them over, and next time you may not win. Well, the Israelites didn’t listen, and that’s exactly what happened to them (Jos 9:1-2). This is what the Book of Judges was all about. The surrounding nations that they didn’t completely destroy continually oppressed them, and God had to keep sending them judges to deliver them.

Not everyone is going to accept Jesus. There are evil people in this world, and sometimes force is the only way to stop them. Ecclesiastes 3:8 itself says there’s a time for peace and there’s a time for war. That’s just the reality of living in a fallen world. There’s not going to be peace until Jesus returns. And guess what? Jesus will return as a lion to strike the nations (Rev 19:15). His robbed is dipped in blood from battle (Rev 19:11–13). That’s how Jesus will bring peace: by completely destroying the enemy once and for all. So, one day we will beat our swords into ploughshares and our spears into pruning hooks, but that day is not today.

 

[bluedragon]

Israel warned them to leave. Hamas then comes around and asks them to stay. The next order should be simple.....All military aged men are targets .....

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military targets. Both staging areas and the 2nd Army Command Center for the coming Allied invasion. No one mentions that.

Japanese were as militant if not more so than Islam today.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Not babies then? So why kill the children rather than the terrorists?

Ask the terrorists why they put their babies up as shields.

Yours is. Nya Nya

No, my faith is Christianity and in Christ.

At least I prefer not to wipe out civilians. You should try it sometime.

I don't kill babies. I'm not a Palestinian.

Blowing up babies in apartments is not defending against anything. It is murder.

I agree. Hamas has a little ng history of blowing up Israeli babies. And why not? When they care not for their own.

I knew we had Liberal atheists aboard here. You're the first I've ever encountered who is an anti- Israel Pro-Hamas terrorism advocate.