Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Jack]

I'm a liberal and I haven't murdered anybody.

You vote for murdering MILLIONS of our black babies!

 

[Jack]

You wanted to know if it's OK with the rules to ask someone if they are gay.

I asked you what would you do if someone said yes?

You said you would want proof.

Were you even paying attention?

I do pay attention. That's why I know Liberals / gays nearly always attack Bible believers. And so, the question remains, why are you promoting Homosexuality in a Christian forum just like Satan would do??

 

[St. SteVen]

And what would this proof be?

Like this?



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[Illuminator]

Transgenderism is a sin?
How did you arrive at that conclusion?

It's not a sin in itself, but an ungodly ideology. Is a sexually confused 11 year old equipped to understand the consequences of permanently altering his body behind his parents back? It's becomes legalized child abuse.

This is the problem with the church on these issues.
This whole area is gray, but the church makes it black and white.
It's a refusal to dialog.

There's plenty of dialogue, one just needs to know where to look.
Courage

Basically one step away from what they do in some Islamic countries where gays are
thrown from building rooftops to the street below to kill them. Seething hatred.

We don't shoot our wounded.

 

[St. SteVen]

It's not a sin in itself, but an ungodly ideology. Is a sexually confused 11 year old equipped to understand the consequences of permanently altering his body behind his parents back? It's becomes legalized child abuse.

So, who is the sinner in that scenario?

We don't shoot our wounded.

Don't we?
We shouldn't.

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[Illuminator]

TRANS FOSTER PARENTS PUT KIDS AT RISK​

Bill Donohue
The Biden administration’s foster care proposal, which seeks to limit the rights of foster parents with trans children, says not a word about a very serious issue, namely the propriety of allowing transgender couples to adopt children. Quite frankly, the history of violence within this segment of the population—assaulting each other—is so serious that it makes no sense not to address this issue. Indeed, it is delinquent not to do so.

Throughout the proposal, there are several references to safety in the home, as in, “each child must receive a placement that is safe.” It says quite clearly that “hostility, mistreatment, or abuse” will not be tolerated.
Surely the administration must know about the legacy of violence that plagues the trans community, but if it doesn’t, it should. The evidence is startling, and it is mounting.

It’s not always easy to find data on this issue, but there are a number of studies on “intimate partner violence” (IPV) that are enlightening. IPV refers to violence committed by someone who is intimately involved with his or her partner, regardless of marital, sexual orientation or gender status.
Let’s look at some early data and make our way forward.

• “The Report of the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey,” published by the National Center for Transgender Equality, found that with regard to trans adults, “More than half (54%) of respondents have experienced some form of intimate partner violence. More than one-third (35%) experienced physical violence by an intimate partner, compared to 30% of the U.S. adult population. Nearly quarter (24%) experienced severe physical violence by a current or former partner, compared with 18% of the U.S. population.”
• Also in 2015, the Williams Institute, a think tank at UCLA Law, published a report that reviewed 42 studies on IPV among LGBT people. The one study that “directly compared the lifetime prevalence of IPV among transgender and cisgender people” [those who accept their biologically determined sex] found that “31.1% of transgender people and 20.4% of cisgender people had ever experienced IPV or dating violence.” Of the three studies on lifetime violence among trans persons, between “25.0% to 47.0%” report being victimized.
• In 2019, researchers from Syracuse University and the University of Maryland, College Park, published their findings on sexual and gender minority youth and found that they “disproportionately experience intimate partner violence,” as well as higher rates of drug use as compared with “cisgender heterosexual youth.”
• A study by seven experts published a study in 2020 in the American Journal of Public Health on this subject and found that “Transgender individuals experience dramatically higher prevalence of IPV victimization compared with cisgender individuals, regardless of sex assigned at birth.” In fact, “Transgender people are 1.7 times more likely to experience intimate partner violence in their lifetime compared to cisgender people,” and are “2.2 times more likely to experience physical IPV.” Worse, “Sexual intimate partner violence is even more prevalent, as trans people experience it about 2.5 times more than cis people.”
• The National Coalition Against Domestic Violence reviewed the literature on domestic violence in the LGBT community, and in 2018 it published its results. It found that the prevalence of IPV was comparatively higher for this community than it is among heterosexuals who accept their status as a male or female. Regarding trans persons, the situation is worse. They suffer “an even greater burden of intimate partner violence than gay or lesbian individuals.”
• The Portland Monthly did a story on this issue in 2020, and after consulting the work of several experts, it concluded that “statistically speaking, the most common perpetrators of violence against trans women are domestic partners.”
• In 2021, another study by the Williams Institute concluded that “Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault.”
• In 2023, four authors of a study on IPV among transgender and gender diverse people found that “between 42 and 62 percent” of them experience some type of IPV. The prevalence of IPV is considerably higher with this sector of the population than it is with others.

The Biden administration appears to be oblivious to these alarming statistics. Indeed, whenever it addresses violence in the trans community, it leads the public to think that it is those who are not part of this group—which means everyone else—are responsible for the violence against them.

The raw truth of the matter is that trans persons who are intimately involved with their partner are victimizing each other. It is not frat boys roaming the streets of trans neighborhoods who are committing the violence against trans persons—they are doing it to themselves.
Those in government, the health profession, education, and the media are not telling the public the truth. Indeed, they are involved in a cover-up; their deceit is appalling.
If the Biden administration is truly interested in the safety and wellbeing of trans children in foster care homes, it should be wary of placing them in settings where the parents are trans adults.
source

 

[St. SteVen]

TRANS FOSTER PARENTS PUT KIDS AT RISK

Seriously?
Isn't that a bit of a blanket statement?
Better know as bigotry.

Do NON-trans foster parents NOT put kids at risk?

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[Wrangler]

Seriously?
Isn't that a bit of a blanket statement?
Better know as bigotry.

Do NON-trans foster parents NOT put kids at risk?

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You must be sick. Blanket statement are life preservers not bigotry! The Adversary does not want us to have the capacity to think in terms of general principles:

1. Don't touch the stove, it's hot.
2. Look both ways before crossing the street.
3. We ask for people's resume and background checks because past results IS an indicator of future performance.

Who do you want operating on your stomach, a gastro-intestinal surgeon with 20 years experience or the bag boy at the local grocery store?

If what you are saying is true, questions on job applications like, "have you ever been convicted of a felony" would not be needed. Same with sex offenders being on a registry. Exceptions don't make rules, which is obviously your sick ploy.

 

[TinMan]

You vote for murdering MILLIONS of our black babies!

I do? When?

 

[TinMan]

I do pay attention. That's why I know Liberals / gays nearly always attack Bible believers. And so, the question remains, why are you promoting Homosexuality in a Christian forum just like Satan would do??

no the remaining question is what proof you would require from someone

 

[TinMan]

Like this?

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I don't think signs like that are proof that the person holding them is gay

 

[TinMan]

It's not a sin in itself, but an ungodly ideology. Is a sexually confused 11 year old equipped to understand the consequences of permanently altering his body behind his parents back? It's becomes legalized child abuse.

and what permanent alteration do you think an 11 year old is doing?

We don't shoot our wounded.

No, far to often the healthy person is called wounded and then spends years being mentally and emotionally abused.

 

[Truthnightmare]

For Bible believers doesn’t just come down to God saying it’s an abomination.

 

[Jack]

I do? When?

When you vote for Dems

 

[Jack]

no the remaining question is what proof you would require from someone

You ask questions but won't answer questions. Typical gay Liberal agenda.

 

[Illuminator]

Seriously?
Isn't that a bit of a blanket statement?

8 different reports/studies from as many sources all agree on the same thing. Transgender parents beat each other up more than non-transgender parents. The author of the article has a Ph.D. in sociology and an authority on the subject at hand. You seem uncomfortable with the evidence so you dismiss the evidence by making a blanket statement in itself.

Better know as bigotry.

No, bigotry is the inability or refusal to accept information that challenges pre-conceived notions.

Do NON-trans foster parents NOT put kids at risk?

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Not 4 times as much.

 

[TinMan]

TRANS FOSTER PARENTS PUT KIDS AT RISK​

Bill Donohue
The Biden administration’s foster care proposal, which seeks to limit the rights of foster parents with trans children, says not a word about a very serious issue, namely the propriety of allowing transgender couples to adopt children. Quite frankly, the history of violence within this segment of the population—assaulting each other—is so serious that it makes no sense not to address this issue. Indeed, it is delinquent not to do so.

You would think after all this time hate mongers would get tired of the lie "they harm children"
It's not just homophobes, racists and antisemites tell the same lie all to promote bigotry.

Throughout the proposal, there are several references to safety in the home, as in, “each child must receive a placement that is safe.” It says quite clearly that “hostility, mistreatment, or abuse” will not be tolerated.

I'm sure that is very offensive to anyone who cares about children.

Surely the administration must know about the legacy of violence that plagues the trans community, but if it doesn’t, it should. The evidence is startling, and it is mounting.

It’s not always easy to find data on this issue, but there are a number of studies on “intimate partner violence” (IPV) that are enlightening. IPV refers to violence committed by someone who is intimately involved with his or her partner, regardless of marital, sexual orientation or gender status.
Let’s look at some early data and make our way forward.

Always be suspicious of claims abtou studies that don't actually name the studies being talked about.

• “The Report of the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey,” published by the National Center for Transgender Equality, found that with regard to trans adults, “More than half (54%) of respondents have experienced some form of intimate partner violence. More than one-third (35%) experienced physical violence by an intimate partner, compared to 30% of the U.S. adult population. Nearly quarter (24%) experienced severe physical violence by a current or former partner, compared with 18% of the U.S. population.”

what is not being talked about here is that the same data shows that transgender individuals are far mor likely to report such violence than Cis individuals. 85% of Trans individuals report this violence most often after a single episode. In contrast only about 30% of heterosexual women EVER report IPV and the average time a heterosexual women endures such violence before seeking any help is 7 years and it is an average of 15 years before heterosexual women leave their abusive relationships. Ref Center for Research and Education on Violence Against Women and Children. (2015). Intimate partner violence (IPV) in rainbow communities.

• Also in 2015, the Williams Institute, a think tank at UCLA Law, published a report that reviewed 42 studies on IPV among LGBT people. The one study that “directly compared the lifetime prevalence of IPV among transgender and cisgender people” [those who accept their biologically determined sex] found that “31.1% of transgender people and 20.4% of cisgender people had ever experienced IPV or dating violence.” Of the three studies on lifetime violence among trans persons, between “25.0% to 47.0%” report being victimized.

the study is:
Langenderfer-Magruder, L., Whitfield, D. L., Walls, N. E., Kattari, S. K., & Ramos, D. (2014). Experiences of
Intimate Partner Violence and Subsequent Police Reporting Among Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender,
and Queer Adults in Colorado: Comparing Rates of Cisgender and Transgender Victimization. Journal of
Interpersonal Violence, 1-17.

and interestingly enough it is referenced by the Center for Research and Education on Violence cited above

• In 2019, researchers from Syracuse University and the University of Maryland, College Park, published their findings on sexual and gender minority youth and found that they “disproportionately experience intimate partner violence,” as well as higher rates of drug use as compared with “cisgender heterosexual youth.”

and the study also discusses just when they “disproportionately experience intimate partner violence,” which is usually after coming out to or being outed to their partners.

• A study by seven experts published a study in 2020 in the American Journal of Public Health on this subject and found that “Transgender individuals experience dramatically higher prevalence of IPV victimization compared with cisgender individuals, regardless of sex assigned at birth.” In fact, “Transgender people are 1.7 times more likely to experience intimate partner violence in their lifetime compared to cisgender people,” and are “2.2 times more likely to experience physical IPV.” Worse, “Sexual intimate partner violence is even more prevalent, as trans people experience it about 2.5 times more than cis people.”

I couldn't find this study but i a left to wonder if again this isn't an issue of reporting rather than actual instances of violence.

The raw truth of the matter is that trans persons who are intimately involved with their partner are victimizing each other. It is not frat boys roaming the streets of trans neighborhoods who are committing the violence against trans persons—they are doing it to themselves.
Those in government, the health profession, education, and the media are not telling the public the truth. Indeed, they are involved in a cover-up; their deceit is appalling.
If the Biden administration is truly interested in the safety and wellbeing of trans children in foster care homes, it should be wary of placing them in settings where the parents are trans adults.
source

Cutting to the chase here. Domestic violence happen in every kind of relationship. Part of the screening process to become foster or adoptive parents is determining if such violence is taking place.

The author of the piece ignores that fact but you can't spread outrage and hate by being honest.

 

[TinMan]

For Bible believers doesn’t just come down to God saying it’s an abomination.

just like poly cotton blend clothes and Christmas trees and tattoos

 

[Jack]

You would think after all this time hate mongers would get tired of the lie "they harm children"
It's not just homophobes, racists and antisemites tell the same lie all to promote bigotry.


I'm sure that is very offensive to anyone who cares about children.

Always be suspicious of claims abtou studies that don't actually name the studies being talked about.

what is not being talked about here is that the same data shows that transgender individuals are far mor likely to report such violence than Cis individuals. 85% of Trans individuals report this violence most often after a single episode. In contrast only about 30% of heterosexual women EVER report IPV and the average time a heterosexual women endures such violence before seeking any help is 7 years and it is an average of 15 years before heterosexual women leave their abusive relationships. Ref Center for Research and Education on Violence Against Women and Children. (2015). Intimate partner violence (IPV) in rainbow communities.



the study is:
Langenderfer-Magruder, L., Whitfield, D. L., Walls, N. E., Kattari, S. K., & Ramos, D. (2014). Experiences of
Intimate Partner Violence and Subsequent Police Reporting Among Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender,
and Queer Adults in Colorado: Comparing Rates of Cisgender and Transgender Victimization. Journal of
Interpersonal Violence, 1-17.

and interestingly enough it is referenced by the Center for Research and Education on Violence cited above

and the study also discusses just when they “disproportionately experience intimate partner violence,” which is usually after coming out to or being outed to their partners.

I couldn't find this study but i a left to wonder if again this isn't an issue of reporting rather than actual instances of violence.

Cutting to the chase here. Domestic violence happen in every kind of relationship. Part of the screening process to become foster or adoptive parents is determining if such violence is taking place.

The author of the piece ignores that fact but you can't spread outrage and hate by being honest.

Typical Biblephobe comment! You're here to attack Christianity!

 

[TinMan]

Typical Biblephobe comment! You're here to attack Christianity!

How is presenting facts an attack on Christianity?