Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[CadyandZoe]

"Opinion" is a good choice of words. "Bibliolatry" is fine as long as it meets your criteria but, if not:



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You really don't see what is happening here?

 

[Wrangler]

Wouldn't you say you had an excessive admiration or devotion to the KJV? That isn't what the Bible means by "idolatry." I can't believe that you propped up your Bible on a table, knelt down, and worshipped it as your God.

No. I hate the KJV. It is not readable to me.

Idolators do not say they are worshipping their manmade IDOLS - the DO it nonetheless. Until you grasp this about IDOLATRY you will never see how pervasive it is. Again, sex, drugs, money, power, all these are modern day IDOLS.

No one says they worship these things. Their actions speak louder than words.

 

[Wrangler]

Those who level the charge of Bibliolatry actually mean to say something like, "You take the Bible much too literally."

No. That's not it. Consider IDOLATRY of the Bible to be a form of legalism.

the Bible is a highly figurative book. Anyone who claims it is all literally true is sophomoric and an IDOLATOR. For instance, do you truly believe there was literally a woman with God before he initiated Creation called Wisdom?

 

[Wrangler]

One might say, "If I only had enough money, then bad things wouldn't bother me. I would never go hungry. I would never lack anything. I would weather every storm, raise good children, and have a happy wife." If you want to call that "Idolatry", I could see that.

No. IDOLATRY is something you worship and sacrifice to. What you are stating is just pragmatic considerations. Let me give you an example.

I had a friend who IDOLIZED money. His mantra was that "It's all about the Benjamins." The thought of money polluted every decision and relationship. When I lived in Michigan, I took him to Greek town. There was a store that sold coffee cups. We went back twice to look at the same cup. In the end, he felt he should not pay more than $5.99 for a coffee cup and this one was $8.50. It tormented him.

Years later, recovering from being a widow and now with his 2nd wife, they were at an impasse about having children. His opposition was rooted in the assumption that he'd have to work at additional 5 years if they had a child. I went off on him, telling him that he is going to lose his wife and there is not integrity between his words and his actual position. You see, he'd say he "preferred" not to have children. Truth is, he gave serious thought to ending the marriage to avoid having to work 5 more years. This is IDOLATRY.

 

[Wrangler]

In the meantime, may I respond to your previous post, because during my walk I thought of something that I forgot?

I'm glad you did.

I must admit to a rare case when I don't understand what another person is saying. I went for a long walk in hopes that my comprehension might improve. You might be attempting to say something wise and profound. But I don't get it. And I'm not blaming you. I blame myself. If you don't mind, can you explain it a different way?

Sure, I can explain IDOLATRY of the Bible in 2 other ways. :)

Besides IDOLATRY of translations, the 2nd form of IDOLATRY of the Bible that became obvious to me is doctrine. In my study of Scripture, I discovered there is no Doctrinal Purity Test to be saved. I thank God for this. I believe the human mind struggles to accept how easy God made salvation for us to acquire. It is us that crave the complexity, drives work based doctrine (implied in your post about no true Christian would do X), and is used to justify ourselves pridefully, etc. For instance, I recently learned an acronym TULIP as it pertains to Calvinism.

I saw a funny meme a few months back. It was of Jesus and a small boy. The boy asked how come only the 2 of them were in heaven. Jesus replied, "Everyone else had their doctrine just a little off."

And this leads into the second form of IDOLATRY in Christendom, which repeats Original Sin. The IDOLATRY of knowledge. Truth is, the lesson of Original Sin is lost on many. We are not saved by our knowledge! There were 2 trees and knowledge is aka the tree of death. Steve Cioccolanti of Discover Ministries said the Bible can be summed up in 2 words: Choose Life (Knowledge is contrary with this choice).

Hope this helps!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: Bibliolatry?:

Yes, I am Guilty, as charged, being brain-Washed By God's Pure And Preserved Word Of Truth!

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy Name for thy Lovingkindness​

and for Thy Truth: for Thou Hast Magnified Thy Word Above All Thy Name." (Psalms 138:2)​

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Nothing, repeat, NOTHING Is equal to Nor higher, NOTHING!

Handling The Word Of Life

Amen.

 

[St. SteVen]

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy Name for thy Lovingkindnessand for Thy Truth: for Thou Hast Magnified Thy Word Above All Thy Name." (Psalms 138:2)

What did that mean at the time it was written? What was "Thy Word" back then?
(I'm guessing that your capitalization is unbiblical? A misquote.) ???

Doesn't the psalmist make a god out of "Thy Word" by magnifying/exalting it ABOVE "All Thy Name"?
Is "Thy Word" really ABOVE "All Thy Name"? (the written word above the author) Blatant Bibliolatry.

/ @BarneyFife

 

[BarneyFife]

You really don't see what is happening here?

Sadly, I'm afraid I do, indeed.

But I don't see the pixies.

I don't borrow trouble, I don't see conspiracies around every corner, I know what the Bible means when it says things like "every word," "all Scripture," "the whole counsel of God," " the conclusion of the matter," and other terms that are meant to encourage us to see Scripture as the supreme source of true knowledge. It wouldn't say these things in so many ways if men weren't disinclined to "get it."

And I'm not satisfied with human-curated collections of proof texts as guides that supposedly make the Bible a common book that could be easily and fully understood by an unrepentant sinner. "If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine..." It is the living, breathing, Word of God. And the LORD grants grace to see His wisdom commensurate with a willingness to obey it, "and none of the wicked shall understand."

Call it "Bibliolatry," call it whatever you want:

"The problem with surface readers is that they don't take the Bible seriously enough." — BarneyFife

Your KJV idolatry piece on @Wrangler was interesting, btw. Very imaginative.

And the Bible is very much a science book.

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[BarneyFife]

I must admit to a rare case when I don't understand what another person is saying.

This is surreal.

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[BarneyFife]

What did that mean at the time it was written? What was "Thy Word" back then?
(I'm guessing that your capitalization is unbiblical? A misquote.) ???

Doesn't the psalmist make a god out of "Thy Word" by magnifying/exalting it ABOVE "All Thy Name"?
Is "Thy Word" really ABOVE "All Thy Name"? (the written word above the author) Blatant Bibliolatry.

/ @BarneyFife

How do you reconcile that, SS?

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[BarneyFife]

Nothing, repeat, NOTHING Is equal to Nor higher, NOTHING!

Except ego

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[St. SteVen]

"The problem with surface readers is that they don't take the Bible seriously enough." — BarneyFife

Wow.
I didn't know you were famous. Can I get your autograph? - LOL

I agree with the quote about "surface readers", but I would generalize it. It doesn't JUST happen with the Bible.
Happens on the forum all the time. Like people that reply to the topic title, having never read the OP.

Interesting that "surface readers" rhymes with "bottom feeders".

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[amigo de christo]

Except ego

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Ego puts the thoughts and words of men before the WORDS of GOD . Let us always remember that .
There be many a person that doeth the work of the dark one and leadeth folks astray under methods
of confusion and placing trust in men and their thoughts and doctrines OVER the already written words in the bible .
IF you happen to know of any who does that , be sure and rebuke them for their own sakes and fast too .
The bible is under attack more than ever by wise crafity men who have to make it seem
as though the people putting trust in the scriptures are guilty of idolatry . Rather odd indeed if ya ask me
cause GOD inspired the scrips . SO are we gonna trust in men who accuse folks , folks who wont budge from the scrips
as though somehow they are comitting idolatry , OR are we simply GONNA TRUST IN THE GOD who INSPIRED The HOLY SCRIPS
and test all men against what is already written . CHOOSE WISELY
but as for the lambs WE STAYING GLUED IN BIBLICAL DOCTRINE , GOD INSPIRED BIBLE DOCTRINE . always remember
GOD INSPIRED biblical doctrine . Now let all that draws breath both praise and thank and thank and praise THE LORD .

 

[BarneyFife]

Happens on the forum all the time. Like people that reply to the topic title, having never read the OP.

I want to say "You have no idea" but I suspect you do. :)

You're not a winebibber, are you? Because I can't afford to be seen with folks like that, you know.

We had a guy on here for many years who was misunderstood greatly. You probably would've liked him. He was quite a rogue. Even had me scratching my head more than a few times (I guess that's a bit arrogant, sorry, folks). He was probably a bona fide heretic.

Thing is, and people just can't stand this, my Jesus died for heretics, too. At least, I hope so.

Funny how Daniel, one of the very few main characters in the Bible of whom no sin is recorded, classed himself with apostates in his famous prayer.

And how Moses, the humblest man on earth at one time, asked God to blot him out of His book if He would not forgive the golden calf worshippers.

Those guys must have been some kind of kingdom traitors.

The good news, though, is that Elijah, the guy with the "I, alone" complex, was translated and never even saw death like the 7000 he looked down his nose at.

So I'm encouraged about things here.

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[BarneyFife]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=3636636046658016

Cuz sometimes people just need to look at a puppy!

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[BarneyFife]

It's way past my bedtime.

 

[St. SteVen]

We had a guy on here for many years who was misunderstood greatly. You probably would've liked him. He was quite a rogue. Even had me scratching my head more than a few times (I guess that's a bit arrogant, sorry, folks). He was probably a bona fide heretic.

Thing is, and people just can't stand this, my Jesus died for heretics, too. At least, I hope so.

Being a heretic is WAY underrated. - LOL

My old topics come in very handy.
Was Jesus Heretical? - Why did they crucify Him?


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[St. SteVen]

It's way past my bedtime.

Pleasant dreams, my friend.

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[CadyandZoe]

No. I hate the KJV. It is not readable to me.

Idolators do not say they are worshipping their manmade IDOLS - the DO it nonetheless. Until you grasp this about IDOLATRY you will never see how pervasive it is. Again, sex, drugs, money, power, all these are modern day IDOLS.

No one says they worship these things. Their actions speak louder than words.

Do you believe the Bible is a reliable source of God's will for mankind?

 

[CadyandZoe]

No. That's not it. Consider IDOLATRY of the Bible to be a form of legalism.

the Bible is a highly figurative book. Anyone who claims it is all literally true is sophomoric and an IDOLATOR. For instance, do you truly believe there was literally a woman with God before he initiated Creation called Wisdom?

I guess I don't know what you mean by idolatry. I understand idolatry as the worship of a supernatural being, other than Yahweh, seeking favor, prosperity, protection, and blessing. I don't associate Bible reading with that activity.