Catholic Preist Sings Song About Lucifer

[Philip James]

In the end we''ll see who ends up where!

That's the first thing you've said that I would agree with :)

Happily we have a merciful judge who loves us very much..



Pax et Bonum

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Happily we have a merciful judge who loves us very much..

Yes, and He cannot lie... so His judgement will be based on what He has already said in His Word.

 

[Philip James]

Yes, and He cannot lie... so His judgement will be based on what He has already said in His Word.

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.



All are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the lamb of God!



The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." Let the hearer say, "Come." Let the one who thirsts come forward, and the one who wants it receive the gift of life-giving water.



Pax et Bonum

 

[Illuminator]

Both people in the story were physically dead (no longer present on Club Earth) one in hell, the other in Abraham's bosom in the after life. So, nobody was praying to a dead man.

They could see each other across the gulf between paradise (Lazurus was in the temporary protected area in hell for old testament saints) and hell which is where the rich man was... so they were simply speaking across this gulf as both were physically dead (bodies in the ground on earth) and were in their spiritual body... one in paradise and the other being tormented in hell.




And the catholics don't know the Lord which is why they don't go to Him in prayer... they off talking to others which is a complete waste of time cause they aren't God and they can't do anything bout yo situation anyhow.

And the catholics don't know the Lord is ALL powerful and He is more than enough because if they actually knew the Lord and knew how powerful He is... they won't be talking to others trying to get them to get in a good word for them... they'd go directly to the Father in Jesus Name, which is what Jesus said to do:

John 16:23
And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

So keep on ignoring the Lord's instructions and see where you end up!

Oh and by the way... mary is not co-redeemer with Jesus... the Lord is not sharing His glory with her and He does not take orders from her at all. She is no better in the eyes of the Lord than any other believers.

Matthew 12:50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

The Lord never said to pray to or thru mary in His Word... and doing so is not doing God's will.



That's hilarious... scripture does not teach this at all.

We are supposed to be in a direct relationship with the Lord... each of us on a personal level, which is why Jesus said.... Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever YOU shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. (John 16:23)

Jesus did not teach His followers to try and contact those that have gone on to the after life and ask them if they could go ask God something in our behalf.

This is just another doctrine of demons being delivered to mankind thru the catholics.


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Jesus is teaching a doctrine of demons? DEAD rich man prayed to DEAD Abraham. Your denials defy common sense.

 

[Mink57]

You're not Jesus . . . . He's God and has the right to talk to anyone He wants since He's omniscience

That's right! He DOES have the right to talk to anyone he wants! And some of the Apostles witnessed this.

Aren't we supposed to imitate Christ? Were Moses and Elijah dead? Or alive in Christ?

There are NO instructions from the Lord in His Word directing His people to contact those that have passed from this world for any reason.

There are NO instructions from the Lord in His Word directing His people to use a computer, either. There's nothing in the Bible that says, "Yo, peeps! This book y'all put together is the last time any of you will ever hear from me, until the end of time!"

When Jesus died on the cross (I'm paraphrasing) tombs were opened...and those who were 'asleep' were RAISED. And SHOWED THEMSELVES TO OTHERS.

Do you think those who were 'raised' went back to 'sleep'...or, are they in heaven with Our Lord?

Please so me where Jesus and His Apostles said to try and talk to those that have passed from this life who are physically dead.

Being physically dead ain't the same as being spiritually dead. If you're 'alive' IN CHRIST, you're ALIVE. PERIOD.
Philip James keeps on pointing out, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live,
and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die."

Catholics aren't praying to 'dead' people. They're praying to those who are ALIVE and IN CHRIST IN HEAVEN.

And they are NOT praying, "Ohhh, St. Whoever, DO this for me!" More like, "St. Whoever, please ask JESUS to do this for me..."

ETA: It's not that we DON'T depend on Jesus. It's that we ask the saints before us to 'put in a good word' for us.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

DEAD rich man prayed to DEAD Abraham

No, they were having a conversation as both were in the same place in the after life.

Quite different from people on earth trying to contact those in the after life... opening themselves up to demonic activity! What you are doing is a doctrine of demons.

But, feel free to continue contacting the dead as this will (and probably already has) caused you to have a reprobate mind that can not longer be taught by the Lord Who forbids necromancy

"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.

Unless.... they are living in sin as the catholics are by rejecting the instructions of the Lord.

Aren't we supposed to imitate Christ?

Sure... go hang on the Cross!

Some things only the Lord can do and you ain't Him!

Being physically dead ain't the same as being spiritually dead

These that are physically dead and no longer in the world... we are.

God has never told anybody to contact people that have passed from this world so those doing this are not following the Lord's instructions proving they are not being led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.... which is sinful for a Christian.

So, too bad for you catholics!

There are NO instructions from the Lord in His Word directing His people to use a computer, either.

He never instructed anybody to keep breathing either... so you'd better cut that out as well.

Do you think those who were 'raised' went back to 'sleep'...or, are they in heaven with Our Lord?

This is not a matter of doctrine... this was a one off event where Jesus brought forth the old testament saints with Him when He was raised from the dead and they were resurrected with Him into their glorified bodies... and were here on earth for a short time until Jesus took them with Him to Heaven.

This has nothing to do with praying to those that have passed from this world in to the after life which the Lord and His Apostles never directed Christians to do.

The devil really enjoys you giving him and his demons an open door to your life by your refusal to follow Jesus' instructions concerning praying directly to the Father in His Name.

The devil is the one that taught you to NOT do what Jesus said to do and instead follow satanically inspired traditions of the catholic church cult.

ETA: It's not that we DON'T depend on Jesus. It's that we ask the saints before us to 'put in a good word' for us.

|Those that don't know the Lord, who have no right standing with Him.... do that.

The catholics are a lost as a goose in a whirlwind! Sad.

 

[Illuminator]

No, they were having a conversation as both were in the same place in the after life.

Luke 16:22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.

What part of "far away" don't you understand? Abraham and the rich man WERE NOT IN THE SAME PLACE. Hades is not hell. The rich man had compassion on his brothers. There is no compassion in hell. Your inventions are ridiculous.

 

[Mink57]

I'm only going to address what you wrote to me:

Mink57 said:
Aren't we supposed to imitate Christ?

Sure... go hang on the Cross! Some things only the Lord can do and you ain't Him!

You're right. I'm NOT Christ. But there's nothing...ab-so-lute-ley NOTHING in the bible that says that the Lord WON'T do some things.

I'm willing to BET that *you* -- along with many others -- wouldn't be willing to 'lay down your life' for Jesus.

We are to imitate Jesus to the best of our abilities. I may not be able to 'conjure up' Moses and Elijah...but I can sure as heck TALK to them as Jesus did.

These that are physically dead and no longer in the world... we are.

God has never told anybody to contact people that have passed from this world so those doing this are not following the Lord's instructions proving they are not being led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.... which is sinful for a Christian.

So, too bad for you catholics!

Us "Catholics" aren't Sola Scriptura. Catholics don't see 'saints' as being dead. They are ALIVE...IN Christ. And since Christ told us it's perfectly o.k. to PRAY FOR EACH OTHER, Catholics see no problem with praying THROUGH the saints.

Mink57 said:
There are NO instructions from the Lord in His Word directing His people to use a computer, either.

He never instructed anybody to keep breathing either... so you'd better cut that out as well.

If that's what you're saying then you missed the point. The point being. that just because something isn't IN the bible, does not mean it's a 'bad' thing to do.

This is not a matter of doctrine... this was a one off event where Jesus brought forth the old testament saints with Him when He was raised from the dead and they were resurrected with Him into their glorified bodies... and were here on earth for a short time until Jesus took them with Him to Heaven.

This has nothing to do with praying to those that have passed from this world in to the after life which the Lord and His Apostles never directed Christians to do.

The devil really enjoys you giving him and his demons an open door to your life by your refusal to follow Jesus' instructions concerning praying directly to the Father in His Name.

The devil is the one that taught you to NOT do what Jesus said to do and instead follow satanically inspired traditions of the catholic church cult.

WHERE in the Bible does it say that it was a "one off" event? Does not the bible TELL us that Jesus did MANY THINGS that were not INCLUDED in the bible?

I'm willing to BET that if Jesus came to you one night and sat on your nose, you'd write him off as some 'demon'...because, after all, the BIBLE doesn't say that Jesus would EVER come and sit on someone's nose!

Seriously Big Boy, get a grip...

|Those that don't know the Lord, who have no right standing with Him.... do that.

The catholics are a lost as a goose in a whirlwind! Sad.

So YOU say. All I gotta say is THANK GOD, *YOU'RE* not God!

Sorry Big Bob, but if *you* were alive 2000+ years ago, in Jesus time, you'd be considered a Pharisee....

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What part of "far away" don't you understand?

What part of both these guys are not on earth anymore and are in the after life... do you not understand???

I'm willing to BET that *you* -- along with many others -- wouldn't be willing to 'lay down your life' for Jesus.

I already have!

We are to imitate Jesus to the best of our abilities.

I'm doing it thru Christ, having received HIS abilities by the the fruit of the Holy Ghost dwelling within which are: love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22,23)

You should up your game and walk with Jesus rather than the pope!

Us "Catholics" aren't Sola Scriptura.

That's your fault, and this is why catholics embrace false doctrine!

just because something isn't IN the bible, does not mean it's a 'bad' thing to do.

That's what the devil keep yelling the catholics to deceive them in to not following the Lord's instructions.

Seriously Big Boy, get a grip...

I have a grip on the Lord's instructions....

Sorry Big Bob, but if *you* were alive 2000+ years ago, in Jesus time, you'd be considered a Pharisee....

No actually they added thing to God's Word and took things away from God's Word.... which is what the catholics do, so the catholics are the modern day Pharisees that teach the people false doctrine.

 

[Mink57]

What part of both these guys are not on earth anymore and are in the after life... do you not understand???



I already have!

As long as you're still alive on this planet, then you DID NOT lay down your life for Christ!

I'm doing it thru Christ, having received HIS abilities by the the fruit of the Holy Ghost dwelling within which are: love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. (Galatians 5:22,23)

You think that by calling out brethren who are also about "love, joy, peace and forbearance, yadda, yadda, yadda" is "Christian-like?"

Sorry to say Big Boy, but your whole attitude is what TURNED ME AWAY from Jesus, even though I was brought up in a Catholic home.

It wasn't the Catholic "stuff" that turned me off. It was the supposed CHRISTIAN stuff.

You are exhibiting the same behavior that my Catholic grandparents did. Profess God/Jesus, and yet exhibit HATE toward your fellow man.
You judge too much, Big Boy. You judge without knowing. BELIEF is not the same thing as KNOWING.

You should up your game and walk with Jesus rather than the pope!

You REALLY are that unenlightened! You really believe that ALL Catholics follow the Pope...like ALL Americans follow the President!

Boy oh boy...have I got NEWS for you!

That's your fault, and this is why catholics embrace false doctrine!



That's what the devil keep yelling the catholics to deceive them in to not following the Lord's instructions.

Riiiiiight. That's why there's over a BILLION Catholics. And many of them have had their prayers answered because they prayed WITH some saint. Ohhhhh.....Ahhhh....they're all going to HELL

I SINCERELY hope that you'll find a Catholic who prayed earnestly to St. Jude for the remission of their child's cancer...

...and had their prayer answered.

I have a grip on the Lord's instructions....

Yeah, well...maybe the Lord had other instructions that you don't heed..

No actually they added thing to God's Word and took things away from God's Word.... which is what the catholics do, so the catholics are the modern day Pharisees that teach the people false doctrine.

No, "they" didn't take away from God' word. MARTIN LUTHER took away from God's Word. Catholics haven't added ANYTHING to the Bible since 300+ a.d.

Go ahead, Bob...MAKE my day!

 

[Mink57]

As long as you're still alive on this planet, then you DID NOT lay down your life for Christ!


You think that by calling out brethren who are also about "love, joy, peace and forbearance, yadda, yadda, yadda" is "Christian-like?"

Sorry to say Big Boy, but your whole attitude is what TURNED ME AWAY from Jesus, even though I was brought up in a Catholic home.

It wasn't the Catholic "stuff" that turned me off. It was the supposed CHRISTIAN stuff.

You are exhibiting the same behavior that my Catholic grandparents did. Profess God/Jesus, and yet exhibit HATE toward your fellow man.
You judge too much, Big Boy. You judge without knowing. BELIEF is not the same thing as KNOWING.

You REALLY are that unenlightened! You really believe that ALL Catholics follow the Pope...like ALL Americans follow the President!

Boy oh boy...have I got NEWS for you!

Riiiiiight. That's why there's over a BILLION Catholics. And many of them have had their prayers answered because they prayed WITH some saint. Ohhhhh.....Ahhhh....they're all going to HELL

I SINCERELY hope that you'll find a Catholic who prayed earnestly to St. Jude for the remission of their child's cancer...

...and had their prayer answered.

Yeah, well...maybe the Lord had other instructions that you don't heed..

No, "they" didn't take away from God' word. MARTIN LUTHER took away from God's Word. Catholics haven't added ANYTHING to the Bible since 300+ a.d.

Go ahead, Bob...MAKE my day!

Sorry Bob...but you so WANT to judge others. Who are not. like. you.

The measure you give is the measure you'll get.
Good luck.

 

[Philip James]

I SINCERELY hope that you'll find a Catholic who prayed earnestly to St. Jude for the remission of their child's cancer..

Hello Mink,

The intercession of St. Andre Bisette was intstrumental in the healing of my son. The doctors said he wouldnt live past 3.. He'll be 20 this January!

Thanks be to God!

Pax et Bonum

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

As long as you're still alive on this planet, then you DID NOT lay down your life for Christ!

Here again... you are speaking of dying physically, I'm speaking of dying to the old man and putting on the new man. I don't expect the catholics to understand anything about this.

your whole attitude is what TURNED ME AWAY from Jesus

That's because you are following people and you don't know the Lord. If one knew the Lord... it wouldn't matter what people did or didn't do, as nothing could turn them away from the Lord.

My attitude is what the Lord says in His Word is Truth, and all false religions such as catholicism is... you know, false.

there's over a BILLION Catholics

And they are all on their way to hell.... unless they turn away from all this false doctrine and get born again and walk with the real Jesus.... the Jesus of the Word of God!

I SINCERELY hope that you'll find a Catholic who prayed earnestly to St. Jude for the remission of their child's cancer.

The devil puts sickness on people and he can remove it for the purposes of deception... to keep some people from turning away from the false doctrines of catholicism.

The Lord doesn't do anything when one prays to the dead... but the devil sure does and uses it as a tool to further cement deception on peoples lives.

Catholics haven't added ANYTHING to the Bible since 300+ a.d.

That's hilarious! One of you catholic types were saying earlier that you people don't go by the bible... you have extra biblical stuff you believe... that's adding to what the Lord says cause you think your extra biblical tradition are of the Lord.

Anywho... enjoy your traditions all you want homie!

 

[Illuminator]

The devil puts sickness on people and he can remove it for the purposes of deception... to keep some people from turning away from the false doctrines of catholicism.

The unbelieving Pharisees said the same thing to Jesus.

Matthewn 12:22 Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and unable to speak was brought to [a]Jesus, and He healed him so that the man who was unable to speak talked and [b]could see. 23 And all the crowds were amazed and were saying, “This man cannot be the Son of David, can he?” 24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “This man casts out demons only by [c]Beelzebul the ruler of the demons.”

25 And knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan is casting out Satan, he [d]has become divided against himself; how then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if by [e]Beelzebul I cast out the demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore, they will be your judges. 28 But if I cast out the demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

“THE RITE” EARNS RESPECT​

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on movie reviews of “The Rite”:

Unfailingly, whenever there is a TV show or movie that touches on subjects like Transubstantiation—the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus—the Virgin birth, apparitions, the stigmata, even confession, it is the subject of ridicule and insulting commentary. But when it comes to the phenomenon of exorcism, it’s hard to find anyone who mocks it.

Catholic League staffers reviewed over 600 movie reviews of “The Rite” that appeared in mainline media outlets. Aside from a few snotty remarks, the subject of exorcism was given a respectful hearing: none was derisive. The cast of “The Rite” was also respectful: none lambasted the idea that demons could be purged by a trained Roman Catholic priest.

This is good news. Evil exists, and everyone save for a fringe minority, admits it. More important, the belief that the devil can be conquered also exists. That the Catholic Church has a mechanism to deal with it is hardly surprising. After all, it was founded by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

“THE RITE” EARNS RESPECT

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on movie reviews of “The Rite”: Unfailingly, whenever there is a TV show or movie that touches on subjects like Transubstantiation—the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus—the Virgin birth, apparitions, the stigmata...

www.catholicleague.org

 

[Marymog]

Hi, Mary, we do as Christ did concerning the bread and juice. Afterward, we follow their example and depart the service with singing.

Hey Phoneman,

If you are using (grape) juice and not wine, then you are NOT doing "as Christ did concerning the bread and juice". Please follow Scripture and the example that He gave us and use wine to fulfill what He asked us to do.

When you partake of your juice and bread in remembrance of Him do you agree with or repeat His words; This IS my body/blood? Or do you say this is a symbol of His body/blood? Or do you repeat his words but in your heart say it's a symbol of His body/blood?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The Real Jesus does NOT teach Christians to talk to the dead (necromancy), pray to mary (idolatry), that perkytory is real (delusion), or to accept what your pope says as being more true than God's Word (idolatry)

Hey BB Johnson,

That is not a definition of Jesus. That is your personal diatribe against the teachings of The Catholic Church.

I knew I wouldn't get a logical answer from you, but I thought I would try!!

Thank you for your time!

 

[Marymog]

Not a fan of SDA.... but catholics should put down their manure and accept God's Word!

BB Johnson.....Your use of that word is completely disgusting and childish.

With that said, how do you fulfill John 6:53-58 to prove to God that you have accepted his word?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The devil puts sickness on people and he can remove it for the purposes of deception... to keep some people from turning away from the false doctrines of catholicism.

Hey BB Johnson,

Do any of the Protestant denominations teach false doctrines?

Curious Mary

 

[Mink57]

Here again... you are speaking of dying physically, I'm speaking of dying to the old man and putting on the new man. I don't expect the catholics to understand anything about this.

No, I was trying to follow your train of thought. And now, you're backpeddling.

And yes, Catholics do understand what "dying to the old man and putting on the new" means. But when Jesus talked about "laying down your life for your friends" he wasn't only talking spiritually. After all, by volunteering to be nailed to the cross, he was doing something physically.

That's because you are following people and you don't know the Lord. If one knew the Lord... it wouldn't matter what people did or didn't do, as nothing could turn them away from the Lord.

Again, not even close to true. You seem to think that Catholics sit in their living rooms, biting their nails, just waiting for the NEXT thing the Pope says, so they can 'obey' the Pope. What a joke!

My attitude is what the Lord says in His Word is Truth, and all false religions such as catholicism is... you know, false.

The problem isn't His Word; the problem is in the translation and the interpretation of His Word. Some people take His Word to be literal. Others understand that His Word, in SOME circumstances, isn't meant to be literal.

And they are all on their way to hell.... unless they turn away from all this false doctrine and get born again and walk with the real Jesus.... the Jesus of the Word of God!

That is judgment...which NONE of us are supposed to do.

The devil puts sickness on people and he can remove it for the purposes of deception... to keep some people from turning away from the false doctrines of catholicism.

So YOU say. Where is THAT in the Bible? What verse? What passage?

The Lord doesn't do anything when one prays to the dead... but the devil sure does and uses it as a tool to further cement deception on peoples lives.

Catholics aren't praying to the dead; they're praying to the living. IN Christ.

That's hilarious! One of you catholic types were saying earlier that you people don't go by the bible...

If that's what one of those "catholic types" told you, then they don't know what they're talking about. Considering that excerpts from the Bible are read to Catholic congregations EVERY DAY, it would seem erroneous that Catholics 'don't go by the Bible.' We do.

you have extra biblical stuff you believe... that's adding to what the Lord says cause you think your extra biblical tradition are of the Lord.

It's not that Catholics necessarily believe in the extra biblical "stuff." It's that we're free to either accept or dismiss how others (a.k.a. the church "Fathers") may interpret what's in the bible. Also, while many books aren't canonized, (that is, IN the Bible, and believed to be genuine) it doesn't necessarily mean that there's no truth to any of them.

Anywho... enjoy your traditions all you want homie!

BTW...I'm not "homie." I'm female, and definitely NOT your "homie."

 

[Cassandra]

1) Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (Joseph H. Thayer, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House, 4th ed., 1977; orig. 1901, 392) defines it — as used in this verse — as follows: “One who is a spectator of anything, e.g. of a contest, Heb 12:1.”

[Strong’s word #3144; similar usages cited by Thayer: Lk 24:48; Acts 1:8; 1:22; 2:32; 3:15; 5:32; 10:39; 13:31; 26:16; 1 Pet 5:1 – the sense is indisputable in these other verses]

2) Word Studies in the New Testament (Marvin R. Vincent, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1980; orig. 1887; vol. 4, 536), another standard Protestant language source, comments on this verse as follows:



3) Word Pictures in the New Testament (A. T. Robertson [Baptist], Nashville, Tennessee: Broadman Press, 1932, vol. 5, 432), comments:

[Note that the notion of “spectators” is the primary metaphor — the arena — so that both meanings: that of spectators and witnesses in the sense of example are present. Neither can be ruled out]

4) Theological Dictionary of the New Testament, (ed. Gerhard Kittel & Gerhard Friedrich; tr. and abridged by Geoffrey W. Bromiley, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1985; 567), an impeccable and widely-used linguistic (non-Catholic) source, states: “In Heb. 12:1 the witnesses watching the race seem to be confessing witnesses (cf. 11:2), but this does not exclude the element of factual witness.”

So our four non-Catholic language references all confirm that the element of “spectatorship,” which lends itself to the Catholic notion of communion of saints, where saints in heaven are aware of, and observe events on earth, is present in Hebrews 12:1, and cannot be ruled out by any means, on the basis of a doctrinal bias.



It doesn't work that way. Saints in heaven deliver prayers to God, it is up to God whether or not to grant a petition, not the saint.

The saints cannot hear prayers--only God can. They are not all knowing or present everywhere, so how could they?
Why does Paul say to come boldly before the throne of grace? Heb 4:16 Because we can go directly to the Father through the Son.