What you stated about how God chooses is a false teaching. and what you call calvinism is the Gospel which you obviously reject.
Many Are Called But Few Chosen = Matthew 22;1-10
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True. There's always a remnant that repents of sinning.
The rest of men everywhere are still commanded to repent by the longsuffering mercy of God.
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
The remnant are chosen, then called out of darkness into His Marvelous Light 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Only Gods elect are called unto Salvation
Webers_Home
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According to Matt 7:13-14 and Matt 22:14; relatively few make it to safety
in the afterlife compared to relatively many that don't. Bear with me while I
flesh this out.
According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sep 19, 2023 @ 12:21 pm New
York Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately
335,445,422 with a death rate of approximately one every 11 seconds;
which translates to an average of 7,854 American deaths of all ages, races,
and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.
According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths
were under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,710 of
the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.
Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum
percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,912 American adults
transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 121 per
hour.
That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact
percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think:
by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones
minimum of 61 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the
netherworld.
Using the ratio of 2,912 condemned souls per 335,445,422 population:
computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently
estimated global population of 7,998,600,175 people, would suggest
something like 69,436 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld
every 24 hours; which translates to roughly 2,893 souls every sixty minutes
on the clock.
Yankee Stadium's football seating capacity is 54,251. At the rate of 2,893
souls per hour, those seats would be filled in roughly 18 hours and 45
minutes. In other words: by 12:45 am NY time tonight the stadium's seats
would be maxed if the world's daily number of condemned souls started
filing into the stadium at 06:00 am NY time this morning.
Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on
those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to
12.2% higher.
The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to climate change, Wall Street crashes, massive
layoffs, outsourcing, school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes,
hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, pandemics, air, water, and
soil pollution, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, the price of
oil, climate change, Falun Gong organ harvesting, election fraud, pipelines,
student debt, GMO, trade deficits, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, North Korea's
nukes, Federal debt, factory recalls, overpopulation, the war in Ukraine,
desertification, genocides, revolutions, creeping Socialism and the spread of
Communism, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling,
ISIS, LGBT marriage, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or former US
President Donald Trump's legal problems.
If standard Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is
correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in
an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers
passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to
Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A,
KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and
restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The
slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
_
According to Matt 7:13-14 and Matt 22:14; relatively few make it to safety
in the afterlife compared to relatively many that don't. Bear with me while I
flesh this out.
According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sep 19, 2023 @ 12:21 pm New
York Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately
335,445,422 with a death rate of approximately one every 11 seconds;
which translates to an average of 7,854 American deaths of all ages, races,
and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.
According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths
were under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,710 of
the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.
Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum
percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,912 American adults
transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 121 per
hour.
That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact
percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think:
by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones
minimum of 61 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the
netherworld.
Using the ratio of 2,912 condemned souls per 335,445,422 population:
computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently
estimated global population of 7,998,600,175 people, would suggest
something like 69,436 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld
every 24 hours; which translates to roughly 2,893 souls every sixty minutes
on the clock.
Yankee Stadium's football seating capacity is 54,251. At the rate of 2,893
souls per hour, those seats would be filled in roughly 18 hours and 45
minutes. In other words: by 12:45 am NY time tonight the stadium's seats
would be maxed if the world's daily number of condemned souls started
filing into the stadium at 06:00 am NY time this morning.
Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on
those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to
12.2% higher.
The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to climate change, Wall Street crashes, massive
layoffs, outsourcing, school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis, earthquakes,
hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, pandemics, air, water, and
soil pollution, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened species, the price of
oil, climate change, Falun Gong organ harvesting, election fraud, pipelines,
student debt, GMO, trade deficits, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, North Korea's
nukes, Federal debt, factory recalls, overpopulation, the war in Ukraine,
desertification, genocides, revolutions, creeping Socialism and the spread of
Communism, civil wars, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling,
ISIS, LGBT marriage, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, and/or former US
President Donald Trump's legal problems.
If standard Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is
correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in
an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers
passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to
Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A,
KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and
restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The
slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
_
True. Only those repented of the common command for all men to repent, and then called away from that old darkness to now walk only in His light and life.
True. The unrepented are not called unto salvation of God, but only still commanded to repent with all unrepented men every where.
Only the remnant are called to repent, the non elect God has ordained them to eternal condemnation.
Those called and chosen are God's Elect. The Election have holy spirit.
Romans 11:7. To document it.
Many people have spirit of stupor.
John 16:8 . The holy spirit is needed to convict person of sin, and they repent.
Those with spirit of stupor dont have holy spirit.
Ephesians chapter 1 and romans chapter 8 to document the election are predestined, chosen before foundation of the world. God judged the election in the first earth age.
The position for Elect can't be Volunteered for !.
The election have destiny. Ezekiel chapter 44 to document the election will be priests in sanctuary of Jesus during the millennium.
Cross reference. Isaiah chapter 61.
The election have holy spirit.
Majority of people have spirit of stupor.
Romans 11:7. To document it.
Many people have spirit of stupor.
John 16:8 . The holy spirit is needed to convict person of sin, and they repent.
Those with spirit of stupor dont have holy spirit.
Ephesians chapter 1 and romans chapter 8 to document the election are predestined, chosen before foundation of the world. God judged the election in the first earth age.
The position for Elect can't be Volunteered for !.
The election have destiny. Ezekiel chapter 44 to document the election will be priests in sanctuary of Jesus during the millennium.
Cross reference. Isaiah chapter 61.
The election have holy spirit.
Majority of people have spirit of stupor.
Only if we return to sin.
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
All sinners everywhere are called to repent, including those that were clean escaped at one time.
You preach your Calvinism, I'll preach my Bible.
Behold
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The Cross is God calling..."come and be forgiven". = John 3:16
And from this God selects some for the ministry.
its a call....... they are "chosen".
Apostles
Prophets
Pastors
Evangelist
Teacher
So, "many are called", is John 3:16
And from those who come to the Cross and are given God's Salvation, He chooses some for the ministry.
Behold
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John Calvinism is a theology that denies the Cross.
John Calvin creates Calvinist's.
God Creates Christians
They are not the same.
John Calvin created your "faith"., @brightfame52
God calls the chosen and its an effectual call out of darkness into His Light 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
As i studied this data filled summary I waited for a unknown point...it never came.
I submit that the rejection of God's word never stops and there are those who place no value to God's warning of repentance, baptism and a life of righteousness is mandated....is clear. Is that it?
mailmandan
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Matthew 22:14 - Called (2282 - kletos) in Matthew 22:14 is talking about the general call of the gospel which goes out to all men every time the gospel is preached.
In the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, we read <Adjective, 2822,kletos> "called, invited," is used, (a) "of the call of the Gospel," Matt. 20:16; 22:14, not there "an effectual call," as in the Epistles, Romans 1:1,6,7; 8:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2,24; Jude 1:1; Revelation 17:14; in Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2 the meaning is "saints by calling;" (b) of "an appointment to apostleship," Romans 1:1; 1 Corinthians 1:1.
Called (2564 - kaleo) in Romans 8:30 conveys the idea of an effectual call and emphasizes God's sovereign work. There is a distinction between the called (klhtoi) and the chosen (eklektoi) called out from the called.
Romans 8:30 says ..whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. Paul made no implication here whatsoever that those who are called and justified will not be glorified.
*Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress its certainty.
In the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, we read <Adjective, 2822,kletos> "called, invited," is used, (a) "of the call of the Gospel," Matt. 20:16; 22:14, not there "an effectual call," as in the Epistles, Romans 1:1,6,7; 8:28; 1 Corinthians 1:2,24; Jude 1:1; Revelation 17:14; in Romans 1:7; 1 Corinthians 1:2 the meaning is "saints by calling;" (b) of "an appointment to apostleship," Romans 1:1; 1 Corinthians 1:1.
Called (2564 - kaleo) in Romans 8:30 conveys the idea of an effectual call and emphasizes God's sovereign work. There is a distinction between the called (klhtoi) and the chosen (eklektoi) called out from the called.
Romans 8:30 says ..whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. Paul made no implication here whatsoever that those who are called and justified will not be glorified.
*Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress its certainty.
This has nothing to do with what men choose, but what God has done, whom He has chosen and called.
quietthinker
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Many Are Called But Few Chosen = Matthew 22;1-10
How many are called? All people!Who ultimately does the choosing? Every individual
What is the choice? The choice of whether God is worthy of their admiration or not.
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