False Teaching: Mary died a virgin. Biblical Proof Mary had children.

[David in NJ]

Even the angel told john , YOU WORSHIP GOD .
He had to rebuke JOHN twice for kneeling down before him .
Its time we put the emphasis and worship back on WHOM it belongs . GOD , HIS CHRIST .
Keep on , keeping on in the LORD my friend .

There is not even one instance where we are directed to pray to anyone other then the Lord Jesus Christ and His FATHER.

 

[amigo de christo]

ONLY Jesus is "full of Grace" - "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of Grace and Truth." 'And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace." John chapter 1

No one else can bestow Grace unto Salvation except the Lord Jesus Christ.

Since i brought up the angel i want to also remind us of something else .
Now notice TWO TIMES the angel rebuked john for kneeling before it .
What did the angel say , WORSHIP GOD .
Now notice when all those crowns and all those peoples in heaven were worshipping CHRIST
not a voice one told them HEY STOP WORSHIP GOD . Exactly . YEAH that oughtta throw a wrench
in those who dare and attack the diety of Christ .
Now i want to also take us back to WHEN JESUS was upon the earth and then later
after he also had ascened and the apostles were then preaching .
FIRST . notice when thomas fell down before HIM and said MY LORD and MY GOD
that JESUS DIDNT REBUKE HIM . exactly .
NOW lets go to when barnabas and pual were being honored as gods .
THEY STOPPED IT , they said WE ARE BUT MEN .
ALSO notice when cornlious tried to KNEEL before peter .
DID PETER say HOLD UP BUDDY , LET ME SIT IN A CHAIR and YOU CAN KISS MY RING
OR , OR DID HE SAY ALSO STAND UP i am but a man LIKE YOU .
SEE THE APOSTELS KNEW WHERE THE WORSHIP BELONGS and where IT DONT .
and its about high time the RCC learns that fact and fast too .

 

[Sigma]

Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”

No where in the Holy Bible does it say Mary was "full of grace"

"Full of Grace" Versus "Highly Favored"

The answer is because, as they say, translation is more art than science. In modern languages certain words and phrases often do not easily translate from one l...

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[amigo de christo]

There is not even one instance where we are directed to pray to anyone other then the Lord Jesus Christ and His FATHER.

Yet there are examples shown to us where even an angel says YOU WORSHIP GOD .
exactly david . ex and xactly . ITS TIME and HIGH TIME for the worship to GO BACK TO WHOM it BELONGS .
AS you said , GOD AND HIS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is not even one instance where we are directed to pray to anyone other then the Lord Jesus Christ and His FATHER.

NOT in the bible . but beware of men for they have many doctrines they do try and sell as though they are the precepts
of GOD HIMSELF . But as you well said , THERE is not even ONE instance IN THE SCRIPTURE .

 

[David in NJ]

Since i brought up the angel i want to also remind us of something else .
Now notice TWO TIMES the angel rebuked john for kneeling before it .
What did the angel say , WORSHIP GOD .
Now notice when all those crowns and all those peoples in heaven were worshipping CHRIST
not a voice one told them HEY STOP WORSHIP GOD . Exactly . YEAH that oughtta throw a wrench
in those who dare and attack the diety of Christ .
Now i want to also take us back to WHEN JESUS was upon the earth and then later
after he also had ascened and the apostles were then preaching .
FIRST . notice when thomas fell down before HIM and said MY LORD and MY GOD
that JESUS DIDNT REBUKE HIM . exactly .
NOW lets go to when barnabas and pual were being honored as gods .
THEY STOPPED IT , they said WE ARE BUT MEN .
ALSO notice when cornlious tried to KNEEL before peter .
DID PETER say HOLD UP BUDDY , LET ME SIT IN A CHAIR and YOU CAN KISS MY RING
OR , OR DID HE SAY ALSO STAND UP i am but a man LIKE YOU .
SEE THE APOSTELS KNEW WHERE THE WORSHIP BELONGS and where IT DONT .
and its about high time the RCC learns that fact and fast too .

Love you my Brother - i am signing out - Good Night

 

[David in NJ]

"Full of Grace" Versus "Highly Favored"

The answer is because, as they say, translation is more art than science. In modern languages certain words and phrases often do not easily translate from one l...

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Luke 1:28
you who are highly favored !
κεχαριτωμένη (kecharitōmenē)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Vocative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 5487: To favor, bestow freely on. From charis; to grace, i.e. Indue with special honor.

Mary was never "full of grace" = ONLY JESUS

NEVER make false claims that make sinners(Mary needed to be cleansed from her sins) equal with the LORD.

Mary called the LORD Jesus her Savior.

Not one mention by the LORD Jesus for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood).

Not one mention by the Apostles for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood).

Signing out - Good Night

 

[Sigma]

Luke 1:28
you who are highly favored !
κεχαριτωμένη (kecharitōmenē)
Verb - Perfect Participle Middle or Passive - Vocative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 5487: To favor, bestow freely on. From charis; to grace, i.e. Indue with special honor.

Mary was never "full of grace" = ONLY JESUS

NEVER make false claims that make sinners(Mary needed to be cleansed from her sins) equal with the LORD.

Mary called the LORD Jesus her Savior.

Not one mention by the LORD Jesus for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood).

Not one mention by the Apostles for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood).

Signing out - Good Night

In modern languages certain words and phrases often do not easily translate from one language and culture to another, so you can imagine the problems that are sometimes present trying to translate a 2,000-year-old language into modern languages. “Full of grace” is literally “pleres charitos,” and that wording is used in reference to Jesus (John 1:14) and to St. Stephen (Acts 6:8). Obviously, its used with two different meanings in those two passages, but its meaning is clearly gleamed by its context. Technically, anyone who was recently baptized or received the sacrament of confession is pleres charitos.

In Luke 1:28, the word that the angel uses is kecharitomene. So it’s not literally “full of grace,” but its root word is the Greek verb “to give grace” (charitoo). The word is the past perfect tense, meaning that the action of giving grace has already occurred. It was not something that was about to happen to her but something that has already been accomplished. The word was also used as a title. The angel did not say, “Hail Mary, you are kecharitomene” but rather, “Hail kecharitomene.” Therefore the word is not simply an action but an identity.
It is thus difficult to translate because it is a unique use of the word. It has been translated by various scholars as “full of grace”, “graced one,” “one who has been made graced,” “highly graced,” and “highly favored.” In the last instance the translator is using the concept that to be graced by God is to find favor with God. It would appear that any translation should use the word “grace,” because that is the root word.

However, it might sound “clunky” to some—they might think “highly favored” is more title-sounding than “full of grace,” and there is nothing inherently incorrect theologically about asserting that Mary was favored by God. I would consider the Immaculate Conception to be proof that Mary was favored by God.

Because of the familiarity people have with the Hail Mary prayer and the connotation that Protestant translators use “highly favored” to deny Catholic dogmas, the Lectionary for use at Mass still uses the phrase “Hail, full of grace!” But neither is technically an incorrect translation.

 

[David in NJ]

Not one mention by the LORD Jesus for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood).
Not one mention by the Apostles for us to venerate Mary as the catholic religion teaches(falsehood).

We are only to follow the teachings of JESUS and the Apostles.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Which part of the Hail Mary is bad to you?

This is what bothers me the most. The rapid way everyone prays this ... as if it is a run on sentence.

Hail Mary fullofgracetheLordiswiththee. Blessed art thouamongstwomenand blessedisthefruitofthywombJesus.

when IMO it should be prayed slowly with emphasis on Jesus... such as

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (slight [pause)vJesus.................... at minimum

But if it were I praying this... dont worry, I wont..... I would pray it this way

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is Jesus, the fruit of thy womb.

 

[David in NJ]

This is what bothers me the most. The rapid way everyone prays this ... as if it is a run on sentence.

Hail Mary fullofgracetheLordiswiththee. Blessed art thouamongstwomenand blessedisthefruitofthywombJesus.

when IMO it should be prayed slowly with emphasis on Jesus... such as

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (slight [pause)vJesus.................... at minimum

But if it were I praying this... dont worry, I wont..... I would pray it this way

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is Jesus, the fruit of thy womb.

How about a Biblical prayer that honors God.

Praise be to the LORD Jesus Christ who is FULL of Grace and Truth and who alone went to the cross, sinless, for our sins and because He committed no sin, death could not keep Him in the grave. HE Rose on the third day and Ascended to the Right Hand of God.
Blessed is the WORD that became flesh for us and who now intercedes on our behalf as our High Priest forever making intercession on our behalf.
Blessed is Mary who received from God, favor that she was chosen to be the vessel of honor by which her Savior, and ours, became flesh.
Blessed be Joseph, Mary's husband, who obeyed the angel and did not divorce Mary.
Blessed be Joseph and Mary who fulfilled by faith the marriage which God prepared for them to walk in and bear forth children.

 

[amigo de christo]

How about a Biblical prayer that honors God.

Praise be to the LORD Jesus Christ who is FULL of Grace and Truth and who alone went to the cross, sinless, for our sins and because He committed no sin, death could not keep Him in the grave. HE Rose on the third day and Ascended to the Right Hand of God.
Blessed is the WORD that became flesh for us and who now intercedes on our behalf as our High Priest forever making intercession on our behalf.
Blessed is Mary who received from God, favor that she was chosen to be the vessel of honor by which her Savior, and ours, became flesh.
Blessed be Joseph, Mary's husband, who obeyed the angel and did not divorce Mary.
Blessed be Joseph and Mary who fulfilled by faith the marriage which God prepared for them to walk in and bear forth children.

And notice in your prayer not one word is prayed TO THEM . see praying to any other than GOD in JESUS name
is Blasphemy .
THough they do try and justify it , lambs wont be heeding the doctrine of the R double C .
The doctrine of men gone wrong is not what a lamb will follow .
The DOCTRINE OF JESUS , OF GOD , they do follow .
And now a song to help us remember and to remind us .
Through all ages men have a wicked song sung
but the lambs took one whiff and called it dung
Yet every and all words that with CHRIST agreed
was a song , a great song that the lambs do heed
For the songs of men no matter how well played
is a song that has the souls of many men slayed
But the words of GOD that pure beatiful song
is a song , is a song the lambs heed and sing all day long .

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

How about a Biblical prayer that honors God.

Praise be to the LORD Jesus Christ who is FULL of Grace and Truth and who alone went to the cross, sinless, for our sins and because He committed no sin, death could not keep Him in the grave. HE Rose on the third day and Ascended to the Right Hand of God.
Blessed is the WORD that became flesh for us and who now intercedes on our behalf as our High Priest forever making intercession on our behalf.
Blessed is Mary who received from God, favor that she was chosen to be the vessel of honor by which her Savior, and ours, became flesh.
Blessed be Joseph, Mary's husband, who obeyed the angel and did not divorce Mary.
Blessed be Joseph and Mary who fulfilled by faith the marriage which God prepared for them to walk in and bear forth children.

I like it.

 

[amigo de christo]

I figured ol david would enjoy that song . To the LORD we shal point my friend .

 

[David in NJ]

I figured ol david would enjoy that song . To the LORD we shal point my friend .

Here is a little rhyme and it applies to this thread as well.

A 'sprinkle' here a 'dunk' over there
if a man's heart believes not
Salvation will not Appear

Words that are Spirit
Words that are Life
when found in the Heart
will convict a man of sinful strife

Words that are Spirit
Words that are Life
will save a Soul
from the Darkest Knight

Words that are Spirit
Words that are Life
brings the Greatest Joy
for those who inherit Eternal Life

 

[amigo de christo]

Here is a little rhyme and it applies to this thread as well.

A 'sprinkle' here a 'dunk' over there
if a man's heart believes not
Salvation will not Appear

Words that are Spirit
Words that are Life
when found in the Heart
will convict a man of sinful strife

Words that are Spirit
Words that are Life
will save a Soul
from the Darkest Knight

Words that are Spirit
Words that are Life
brings the Greatest Joy
for those who inherit Eternal Life

The water is sprinkled upon the head of a child
and many a parents open wide lips that have smiled
but they know not as does the child that if the heart believeth not
its all in vain and in darkness shall that soul rot .
Another day rings and another pastor sings his sin ,
come ye and if ye believe our doctrine ye may be dunked within
but the dunked know not that that doctrine was another Jesus
a doctrine that cannot save but a doctrine of rather please us
Give us this jesus you speak of our money tree our sins desire
but they know not the end of that is brimestone and fierce fire .
FOR if one came to another jesus it cannot save
and they know not they are still within the grave .
TIME WE OPEN bibles and learn that TRUTH , that JESUS . amen .
for the lambs heed not the doctrines of men and thier SIN .

 

[Sigma]

This is what bothers me the most. The rapid way everyone prays this ... as if it is a run on sentence.

Hail Mary fullofgracetheLordiswiththee. Blessed art thouamongstwomenand blessedisthefruitofthywombJesus.

when IMO it should be prayed slowly with emphasis on Jesus... such as

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb (slight [pause)vJesus.................... at minimum

But if it were I praying this... dont worry, I wont..... I would pray it this way

Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is Jesus, the fruit of thy womb.

Every Catholic prays it rapidly, huh? Thanks for telling me how I say the Hail Mary prayer, even though you've never heard me say it lol

 

[David in NJ]

Every Catholic prays it rapidly without reverence? Thanks for telling me how I say the Hail Mary prayer, even though you've never heard me say it lol

It does not matter whether you pray it rapidly or slowly = God ignores it.

"But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him." - Hebrews 11:6

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Every Catholic prays it rapidly, huh? Thanks for telling me how I say the Hail Mary prayer, even though you've never heard me say it lol

Sigma,

Can you tell me the reason for the prayer

Holy Mary Mother of God,
pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death
Amen.

???

 

[Marymog]

Help!!!!!

When would Mary and Joseph be approved to have sexual relations? On their first date or on the first day that the customs of the culture of that time? It does not matter because Gabriel got to her before it happened.

If Mary and Joseph were betrothed... and Gabriel came and told her she would be giving birth to the son of God
and she was surprised.... Not bec ause she was talking to an angel, but because in her own words....Luke 1:34
"Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”"

18 Now the birth of Jesus [r]Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been [s]betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit. Mathew 1:18

And later when Joseph was concerned about Mary being with child.... I do not think I have to repeat that do I.

When you were engaged to your husband and thinking about your wedding night.... if a messenger, in the for of an angel or even word came to you through a dream that you would be birthing the son of God....would you be surprised.... if you and your intended had not been together and she was old enough to know how babies are made.....

I really need help understanding your meaning....

Thank you

Hey rella,

In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed[a] to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary.

As you can see they were betrothed BEFORE the visit by Gabriel. That means Mary knew she was "approved" to be with a man and have "sexual relations"! She would not be surprised that she could give birth to a child unless she was a professed virgin.