The sad part is that in the eyes of Tin Man, If you don't act or think like him .....you are the sin ......SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. My bet being that buried deep within the text and depositions are comments stating the intent of the Activists to "trap" the Christian ....
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The sad part is that in the eyes of Tin Man, If you don't act or think like him .....you are the sin ......SCOTUS has ruled otherwise. My bet being that buried deep within the text and depositions are comments stating the intent of the Activists to "trap" the Christian ....
Wrangler
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Cancel culture is all about that!
I just finished watching the US Open. One of the things that I always loved about tennis is how it brings the world together for athletic competition - even more than the Olympics. For decades, when announcing the score a person's flag was to the left of their name and 3 letters abbreviating there country was to the right of their name.
In this years finals, there was a woman and a man who had this honor taken from them.
To the left, where their country of origin's flag should be was a grey rectangle. To the right of their name, nothing. From where did these athletes come from? From a cancelled country. Why? Because the media does not agree with their choice.
I recall a time during the Persian Gulf War, France declined America's request to fly over their air space to bomb Iraq. American's changed the name of their side with their burger. Now it was called "Freedom Fries." The power of yes is the power of no. Indeed, performing a service DOES imply you agree with their choices, life style, etc.
BarneyFife
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I don't really mind when people discriminate against me for being a Christian.
Unless they claim to be Christians. ;)
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Wrangler
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Yea, who are we going to believe; our lying eyes or you? Video puts Muslim bakeries, florists in gay-rights spotlight
John the Baptist stood firm in the faith when calling out Herod, speaking against him as unlawfully having his brother Phillips wife Herodias, which was morally reprehensible and flagrantly visible to all, and it cost John his life, Herod had him beheaded. People have done likewise all through the centuries, not compromising their faith and not willing to be part of the silent majority and many paid with their lives.
6 But when Herod’s birthday was celebrated, the daughter of Herodias danced before them and pleased Herod. 7 Therefore he promised with an oath to give her whatever she might ask.
8 So she, having been prompted by her mother, said, “Give me John the Baptist’s head here on a platter.”
9 And the king was sorry; nevertheless, because of the oaths and because of those who sat with him, he commanded it to be given to her. 10 So he sent and had John beheaded in prison. 11 And his head was brought on a platter and given to the girl, and she brought it to her mother. 12 Then his disciples came and took away the body and buried it, and went and told Jesus.
Matthew 14
New King James Version
John the Baptist Beheaded
14 At that time Herod the tetrarch heard the report about Jesus 2 and said to his servants, “This is John the Baptist; he is risen from the dead, and therefore these powers are at work in him.” 3 For Herod had laid hold of John and bound him, and put him in prison for the sake of Herodias, his brother Philip’s wife. 4 Because John had said to him, “It is not lawful for you to have her.” 5 And although he wanted to put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.6 But when Herod’s birthday was celebrated, the daughter of Herodias danced before them and pleased Herod. 7 Therefore he promised with an oath to give her whatever she might ask.
8 So she, having been prompted by her mother, said, “Give me John the Baptist’s head here on a platter.”
9 And the king was sorry; nevertheless, because of the oaths and because of those who sat with him, he commanded it to be given to her. 10 So he sent and had John beheaded in prison. 11 And his head was brought on a platter and given to the girl, and she brought it to her mother. 12 Then his disciples came and took away the body and buried it, and went and told Jesus.
Acts 17:28-29 KJV
28) For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
29) Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
Much love!
offspring according to a pagan poet, Paul was making a comparison point that there was the one true God they needed to heed, not all the pagan gods which when you look into them are very earthly and full of lusts likely being demons.
Offspring, but not children of God. Children refer to family. Offspring refers to God as their Creator.
Only believers have the Right to Call God their Father.
Ephesians 3
14 For this reason I bow my knees to the Father [a]of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 from whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with might through His Spirit in the inner man,
Romans 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
Galatians 4:6
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!”
The unbelieving world has no such relationship.
According to Christ, and Paul, the unbelievers father is the devil. John 8, Ephesians 2 you are of your father the devil' and "your desire is to do his will."
BarneyFife
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I would definitely say "AMEN" to that.
And I don't know that it will make any difference to anyone, but bestowing a title like "Children Of God" on unrepentant sinners is definitely not a hill I'm prepared to die on.
But I think it's fair to say that the question was posed to me in a lowercase, matter of informal fact "children of God" manner.
Not sure if I've cleared anything up here or if it even matters to anyone.
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More clear reference on that in John 8
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
Jesus tells them God is not their Father, yet they think God is their Father God.
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”
Jesus tells them God is not their Father, yet they think God is their Father God.
BarneyFife
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That's how I see it. Paul gives an affirmation that we are God's offspring, but I see that being in the way they meant it, not in Christian terms.
I think what he's saying is, Since you see yourselves the offspring of God, and yes, in that way, created, we are, don't think of God as something less then your own self, like some piece of rock or wood that a man actually formed.
All humanity was in Adam when he was created, Adam being called a son of God.
Much love!
Romans 1:7Oh, that's good.
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To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
God is only the Father of those who are His saints, they are also His sons. You would not call the unbelieving sons of God would you?
Of course, before Adam fell. I do though think both Adam and Eve are in heaven, not hell today. They were of those at that wicked time who called on the Lord for help in life. And God also came to their offerings. But back then when men died, none went straight into heaven, the faith filled ones were justified by God and when they died they waited in a place called Paradise, as Christ also told to the thief on the cross. With Christ's resurrection and work, he opened a new and living way to God, part of why the NC is superior to the OC. All the old testament saints had to wait for Christ and only afterwards were they perfected.
in the OT God tells us this
Habakkuk 2:4
“Behold the proud, His soul is not upright in him; But the just shall live by his faith.
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BarneyFife
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Would you have me embrace the paradox posed by the two passages of Scripture or bend to your view that only one is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness?
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You're taking that one scripture referring to '"offspring" and justifying your whole doctrine on that interpretation. Why would anyone do such a thing? Especially when I have been listing scriptures that support no such notion of yours.
TinMan
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atpollard
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Maybe, but credit where credit is due ... I requested Scripture to support the position and - agree or disagree with his interpretation of that scripture - He provided EXACTLY what was requested.
atpollard
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True, but Satan and his children can try.
Matthew 5:11-12 [NASB20] "Blessed are you when [people] insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."
TinMan
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In segregation era restaurants were limited by skin color - In white only places only those who were the "correct" skin color could go in and sit down and order food. However black people could still order take out so long as they came to the back door to pick it up. Obviously blacks in the segregated south were not discriminated against because the restaurants would still take their business.
I understand what you are saying but I stated my opinion on the OP, then I mull over what’s been said. Personally I am not sure my opinion has changed. An action may imply something but you are presuming that there has been no other conversation taking place, no other interactions of any sort- in fact making the cake may even give more opportunity to discuss so much more, where as sheer refusal just create barriers.
This is just my opinion, just where I am with all this right now. I am well aware of the views of many here, I can agree to differ x
