Wrangler
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Christian baker and transgender cake lawsuit
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atpollard
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Nope.
[Mat 9:11 NKJV] 11 And when the Pharisees saw [it], they said to His disciples, "Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?"
[Luk 5:30 NKJV] 30 And their scribes and the Pharisees complained against His disciples, saying, "Why do You eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?"
amigo de christo
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WELL THEN SAY IT my friend . THE ONLY ONE that ensures salvation , citizenship in heaven and
is done by Faith in CHRIST as the soul is converted in ,
ALL SOULS according to the flesh came from adam . BUT NOT ALL SOULS WILL BE SAVED NOR are counted
as the TRUE CHILDREN OF GOD .
The flesh profits , NOTHING .
Lest we think JESUS can lie .
IT dont matter what i was born , jew or gentile , male or female , black or white .
IF ME FAITH AINT IN JESUS CHRIST , IF I DENY HIM as the CHRIST , ME IS GONNA WAIL and WAIL and wail
and wail on the day of the LORD and be cast into the lake that burneth fierce with fire
prepared for the devil and his angels . FOR all liars , unbelievers , those who work abominations and etc
WILL have their part in that lake . No matter what our pastor tries to say or the world tries to say .
TIME TO PREACH THE DIRE DIRE NEED to beleive on JESUS CHRIST
and time to remind folks , JESUS AINT THE MINSTIR OF SIN EITHER . we better KNOW ITS JESUS THE CHRIST
we do believe in and do follow . I SEE another jesus getting preached under the guise of a false sin accepting
other path accepting LIE . THIS LAMB GONNA EXPOSE IT . now hit the trenches .
atpollard
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... Except against Christians trying to honor their beliefs.
Triumph1300
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The way things are going in the US (and Canada) you will not be free what to do very long anymore.
The way I see it.... "freedom" is going out the window a little bit at the time without people noticing what's happening to them.
It's like the famous frog in water slowly getting hotter..........
amigo de christo
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This be true in a free country man may do as he chooses . But the question is and now becomes
WOULD GOD APPROVE OF IT . YEAH . lambs dont honor SQUAT that honors SIN .
AND a friendly PS , we were never promised a FREE SOCIETY in the world . RATHER persecutions in the world .
Let us focus on speaking and living TRUTH , DOING all things pleasing to HE who has saved the lambs .
HONORING HE and HE ALONE above all . GOD FIRST , CHRIST FIRST
which means FIRST not second . FIRST above all . BE prepared to suffer for CHRIST is all i can tell this generation .
The children of God in the scriptures. Always refers only to saved persons and not the unbelieving. Not ever. The others are 'children of the flesh', not spiritually alive. Only the children of the Spirit are the children of God. Romans 9 flat out states it again clearly,
"That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God"
1 John 3:1
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
John 11:52
and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Romans 8:17
and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
Romans 8:21
because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Romans 9:8
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Romans 9:11
(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Philippians 2:15
that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
1 John 4:4
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
"That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God"
1 John 3:1
Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
John 1:12
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
John 11:52
and not for that nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
Romans 8:17
and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him, that we may also be glorified together.
Romans 8:21
because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Romans 9:8
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
Romans 9:11
(for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),
Philippians 2:15
that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
1 John 4:4
You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
amigo de christo
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No lamb puts the emotions of men BEFORE the TRUTH OF GOD.
The problem within even churches has become they put the feelings of others ABOVE and BEFORE
the WORDS of GOD , they put humanity FIRST , NOT GOD NOT CHRIST . PS that kind of love is EVIL AS HECK
and , and , AND it wont save one soul but rather will be co helpers to their own damnation .
The problem within even churches has become they put the feelings of others ABOVE and BEFORE
the WORDS of GOD , they put humanity FIRST , NOT GOD NOT CHRIST . PS that kind of love is EVIL AS HECK
and , and , AND it wont save one soul but rather will be co helpers to their own damnation .
amigo de christo
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Hit the trenches my friend . POINT ONLY TO CHRIST JESUS and all holy doctrine .
Triumph1300
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As far as the baker and his cake baking issues....he should have just baked the dumb cake and avoid a confrontation with a bunch of activists. (His fellow Christians and his pastor probably would not stand behind him anyways.) He has been baking cakes for many sinners in the past. Just let it go and don't wreck your baking business over this issue. He will not end up in hell over it.
All but the most hard core with a completely seared conscience know at heart they are wrong, and fervently need the world to affirm them, to the point of demolishing all voices against their choices. They can't stand someone saying they are defying God because deep inside they know it's true.
Otherwise, why do their care so much? Legal rights, that's one thing, I fully understand that! Everyone who feels their choices are legitimate will seek to redress areas they believe their rights are somehow lessened or violated.
But the religious fervor in which they seek the world's approval, and silencing of any disagreement, is pathological in my humble opinion.
Much love!
atpollard
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The issue has nothing to do with "gays" and "transexuals", per se. The objection raised is some are questioning whether ANYONE that is "unsaved" is a "child of God" according to Scripture. [I am one of those people that prefers to establish such "facts" from scripture rather that mere emotional appeals.]
So do YOU have any scripture to suggest that all unsaved mankind are "children of God". I would love to see it. Otherwise, an unsaved "gay" is no more a "child of God" than an unsaved heterosexual is. The issue is their rejection of "so great a salvation" not their particular sin.
Romans 10:9-10 makes you a "child of God".
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atpollard
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... like when an activist goes into a cake shop to order a cake they know the baker will not create so they can sue them and drive them out of business. I think THAT qualifies.
atpollard
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atpollard
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Triumph1300
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Correct. I agree.
These guys were activists trying to making a point.
Other sinners buy cakes without making hassle.
And the baker sold cakes to other sinners without hassle.
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atpollard
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I actually agree. I think it is wrong to force any baker to make any cake ... that is bordering on SLAVERY.
Now being a merchant implies a social contract, so any goods available on the shelf for sale should be for sale to anybody, but custom work should be within the right of the worker to accept or decline. (including an atheist baker refusing to accept an order for a cake with John 3:16 written on it, or a Gay Baker refusing to create a wedding cake with a man and woman on the top. That is their RIGHT as free Americans.)
Gays have a right to boycot Christian Bakers that will not bake a Wedding cake for a homosexual wedding.
It's a matter of identity and selective hearing.
When I say "Homosexuality is a sin"
The homosexual's identity is so wrapped up their perversion that the ONLY thing they hear and reply with, "You are saying that I am a sin" .
Because at heart, the homosexual is so wrapped up in their sin that it consumes EVERY aspect of their life. They stopped long ago at tolerance now they want acceptance and endorsement. THEY CANT HAVE IT.
Romans 1&2 make it clear that Homosexuality is the result of sin...and a sin in and of itself. That's why you can't have an honest conversation with homosexuals....their overly dramatic and accusatory stance is of course going to be counterproductive.
Wrangler
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BarneyFife
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Well, "more of" is a good way to put it, but "Imageo Dei" has a sort of Deistic ring to it that might preclude the kind of love that I believe God has for His whole creation.
I don't mean to be in any way argumentative about it, but the picture I have in my mind of Christ looking over Jerusalem and lamenting over His longing to gather Israel to Himself even amidst the roadblocks they had erected is one of great weeping.
Despite the appeals of some (and I don't mean you at all) to recognize that God hated Esau and loved Jacob (ironic considering the last paragraph, eh?), I believe that God loves all equally and supremely and is only hindered by our various and individual levels of resistance to Him lavishing that incredible love on us.
There are so many places in Scripture that speak of how God's love and power are available to all directly commensurate with our desire (Matthew 5:6, Matthew 7:11).
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