I know that Catholics preach Christ crucified, but not for the atonement of sins. They believe that Christ crucified inspires them to be holier Christians. Nothing about Jesus defeating sin, death and the devil.
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Catholics understand Christ was crucified “for the atonement of our sins and of the whole world.” (Literal wording from a Catholic prayer, the Chaplet of Divine Mercy). You are mistaken.
Please refer me to a Catholic web site or whatever that says Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world. I will try "The Chaplet of divine mercy. I tried "The Chaplet of Divine Mercy" and they did say that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Saying it and believing it are two different things. If you sincerely believe that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, then that means the sin problem has been resolved. If the sin problem has been resolved, then what good is religion.
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I'm not knocking churches or judging anyone.
The denominations are broke away from the foundation of christ and are established by apostates, who are hirelings. Documentation, Corinthians chapter 5 and proverbs is 5.
Many churches teach tradition of men and false doctrine. Fake shepherds are servants of satan.
I once dated girl In 1990s.
I cut off contact after several months of dating.
In 2004. She left message on answering machine. It was 5 minutes long and vulgar and Hatred !. Half way in it, her voice changed to Masculine Voice. Its obvious she has demonic possession.
She is catholic !.
I converted to christianity in year 2000.
Your not going to find Jesus in many denominations.
2 Timothy chapter 3 . We're warned about hirelings who won't endure sound doctrine. But teach tradition of men and false doctrine.
In Acts chapter 7 :43. Children of Israel, during moses time, in the wilderness. They secretly worshipped star of Remphan. Which is planet Saturn. This is devil worship. Get the picture.
They corrupted themselves.
In deuteronomy chapter 31
Moses warns us in the latter times, they will corrupt them selves.
Do we understand this.
Pride instigates rebellion. It comes from satan.
Humility and obedience are children of light.
The denominations are broke away from the foundation of christ and are established by apostates, who are hirelings. Documentation, Corinthians chapter 5 and proverbs is 5.
Many churches teach tradition of men and false doctrine. Fake shepherds are servants of satan.
I once dated girl In 1990s.
I cut off contact after several months of dating.
In 2004. She left message on answering machine. It was 5 minutes long and vulgar and Hatred !. Half way in it, her voice changed to Masculine Voice. Its obvious she has demonic possession.
She is catholic !.
I converted to christianity in year 2000.
Your not going to find Jesus in many denominations.
2 Timothy chapter 3 . We're warned about hirelings who won't endure sound doctrine. But teach tradition of men and false doctrine.
In Acts chapter 7 :43. Children of Israel, during moses time, in the wilderness. They secretly worshipped star of Remphan. Which is planet Saturn. This is devil worship. Get the picture.
They corrupted themselves.
In deuteronomy chapter 31
Moses warns us in the latter times, they will corrupt them selves.
Do we understand this.
Pride instigates rebellion. It comes from satan.
Humility and obedience are children of light.
When one says, "Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world" it means different things to different people. It may mean one thing to one Catholic and something different to another Catholic...or a Protestant...and even something different to a Calvinist...or a Mormon, etc.
To say that that "Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, then than means the sin problem has been resolved" is lacking in both content and context.
The whole idea (in the biblical sense) of "atoning" for "sins" goes back to the Old Testament. Without spewing off a bunch of different OT bible passages, let's just say that many believers understand that an animal blood sacrifice was required for the atonement of sins in the OT.
In the New Testament, Christ became the 'unblemished sacrificial lamb' to be offered for the atonement of sins, within the New Covenant. No longer did anyone have to bring an animal of some sort to the altar, and have it slaughtered, and its blood sprinkled around the altar for the forgiveness of sins. Christ willingly shed his own blood for that. For US.
However, that does NOT mean that we no longer have the ability to sin, or that our sins are automatically forgiven. It's not as if, "Hey! I was a thief before I found Jesus, and now that I found Jesus, I can still be a thief! But Jesus will automatically forgive me, so I can keep on being a thief!" Yeah. Doesn't quite work that way.
So, sorry to say, but sin is still a problem. And religion is still necessary.
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Certainly. Here is the section on atonement from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Doctrine of the Atonement
In Catholic theology, the Atonement is the Satisfaction of Christ, whereby God and the world are reconciled or made to be at one
All that Jesus was and all that Jesus did was for us.Certainly. Here is the section on atonement from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
“in Catholic theology, the Atonement is the Satisfaction of Christ, whereby God and the world are reconciled or made to be at one. "For God indeed was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself" (2 Corinthians 5:19).”CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Doctrine of the Atonement
In Catholic theology, the Atonement is the Satisfaction of Christ, whereby God and the world are reconciled or made to be at onewww.newadvent.org
If Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world, then that means that there is no more condemnation for sin, Romans 8:1.
Romans 8:1 says, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus..." Not EVERYONE is "in Christ Jesus."
Yes, Jesus atoned for the sins of the whole world. But that doesn't mean that the whole world will accept Jesus' atonement.
amigo de christo
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On that fact alone i would have to agree . but i dont call the catholic church out
or the protestant church , for that matter , on a few bad priests , but rather on the DUNG DOCTRINE THEY TEACH .
Let us go and learn what that meaneth . THE RCC is deadly and super dangerous ,
sadly many within the protestant realm are too . And as concering bad priests who fondle kiddos
THEY GUILTY OF IT . both are . I seen MAN HANDLED kids in both camps .
amigo de christo
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As there are grains of sand so are the doctrines o dung amonst many .
Yet the bible is swoll full of TRUTH . Thus any doctrine which twists and omits
the Words of GOD of Christ and of the apostels is a doctrine no matter how well covered by explanations of men
is as a turd covered by sugar . ITS STILL a turd though the outward appearance might be sugar coated .
FAR TOO MANY for me to answer . far too many doctrines .
amigo de christo
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perhaps a better question might be for me to ask you , IS there anything that the RCC teaches that you might even dare
to disagree with .
I seriously doubt that. Chances are, you're in the same camp with others who know little about the RCC and/or its doctrines, and cling tightly to the MYTHS you've heard about the RCC through your own lack of understanding.
Pick a doctrine. ANY doctrine.
If I vehemently disagreed with the RCC, I wouldn't be Catholic.
amigo de christo
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Unlike most i dont live by gossip or rumor . This gringo tested the faiths and all that did claim the name of Christ .
Gotta say i found the RCC lacking BIG TIME . and it aint alone , the mormon faith is dead
and by all means run from the watchtower JW . Not just them either .
The protestant realm is tanking faster than ever i seen before . ITs like all them denominations
along with even the religoin WE SHOULD KNOW are false are in these last days
joining as one under the grand lie of them all . MY advice , WE BESS CRACK OPEN THEM BIBLES and start doing us some
serious reading for ourselves and get busy LEARNING .
amigo de christo
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I Notice you said if you vehemently disagreed with the RCC you would not be catholic . YA said that like it was a bad thing .
I say if i vehemently agreed with the RCC i would not know CHRIST .
better to know CHRIST and have life and life eternal than to be a catholic. Just a super friendly reminder .
No accusations here . Just truth spoke in great love my friend .
amigo de christo
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If i didnt love ya , i would not have tried to help you my friend .
Always remember that . always remember that .
Illuminator
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Persecuting Catholics with lies and falsehoods is not loving and it doesn't help.
I don't doubt the intelligence of most readers who may wonder why most of the time Catholics are in the crosshairs. It's partly because anti-Catholicism is the last acceptable prejudice, which delights main stream media.
Dr. Philip Jenkins argues that anti-Catholicism has become socially acceptable, though it is no different than any other form of prejudice. Hear him make the case for universal recognition of intolerance. The title of this thread is a good example of universal recognition of intolerance.
Matthew 12
22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the [d]blind and mute man both spoke and saw.
23 And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by [e]Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”
25 But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
“THE RITE” EARNS RESPECT
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on movie reviews of “The Rite”:Unfailingly, whenever there is a TV show or movie that touches on subjects like Transubstantiation—the transformation of bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus—the Virgin birth, apparitions, the stigmata, even confession, it is the subject of ridicule and insulting commentary. But when it comes to the phenomenon of exorcism, it’s hard to find anyone who mocks it.
Catholic League staffers reviewed over 600 movie reviews of “The Rite” that appeared in mainline media outlets. Aside from a few snotty remarks, the subject of exorcism was given a respectful hearing: none was derisive. The cast of “The Rite” was also respectful: none lambasted the idea that demons could be purged by a trained Roman Catholic priest.
This is good news. Evil exists, and everyone save for a fringe minority, admits it. More important, the belief that the devil can be conquered also exists. That the Catholic Church has a mechanism to deal with it is hardly surprising. After all, it was founded by Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Matthew 23:22-29
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And just HOW exactly did you "test" the RCC to determine that the RCC is "lacking BIG TIME"?
I don't see the Mormon faith or other faiths you mentioned as necessarily being "dead."
Which Bible?! WHOSE Bible?!
You mean, *YOUR* "truth."
I'm sorry amigo, but you're not 'helping' by simply criticizing and making accusations without any data to support your words.
Until such time when you do supply valid data, all you have is your opinion.
And an opinion is not "truth."
I agree with what you say about anti-Catholicism. It definitely is a form of prejudice that seems to be accepted by many.
Regarding "The Rite"...I didn't even know about the movie. But I DID recently read an article about how some other non-Catholic (mostly Christian) religious leaders have appealed to the RCC if they believe that a demonic 'possession' is in full force and effect in an individual.
It's really a shame that so many only regurgitate the negatives they've 'heard' or 'read' about the RCC.
amigo de christo
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An opinion is not truth on that you have said truly . So why follow the opinions of men who though
they claim to adhere to scripture have often twisted the scripture to support their own opinion .
IT be high time folks read this bible that many claim they be adhering too .
As far as not being able to see the falsehoods , death in some other faiths
this is due to the common ground mindset that has been pumped into ALL the denominations .
The idea is to break down all fundamental beliefs within all denominations as well as the other religoins .
But it aint for the reason many suppose it to be .
FOr it dont just speak against fundamental false beleifs which men have taught
IT speaketh against fundamental core truths of JESUS himself , of the very bible they pretend to be adhering too .
There is one reason they do this and one reason alone they have done it .
You see men in power desire one thing , THOUGH they holler its for the peoples , POWER and CONTROL .
Its very true that throughout the years , decades and even centuries that even many within the christian realm
have taught truths they cliam are fundamental to the faith . WHEN IN TRUTH they doctrines of men
not fundamental truth at all .
Now we see in this day and age an attack against fundamental truth
Now they can speak certain truths . for example many men do preach their denominatoin and its teachings AS FUNDAMENTAL
TRUTH . WHICH IT AINT . but they also use this against true fundamental JESUS following lambs .
They make the idea that fundamental truth is bad , rather we ought to love and find common ground .
THEY use the bad examples to strengthen their ideals against fundamentalism .
THE ENTIRE LOTT is guilty of preaching men made doctrines for control .
YET NOW nigh the end the goal is GATHER EVERYTHING under them .
SO how do they do this . THEY found out what we all , including even the false religoins had in common .
SEE in part all religoins as well as all within christendom from RCC to PROTESTANT
do teach something . THEY do teach good works and to love one another etc .
SO THEY MADE The focus on that and all the while they remove the fundamental core beliefs
of ALL religoins out of the way . NOW I KNOW them other religoins and their fundamental truths are false
But biblical TRUTH AINT false . YET THEY REMOVE THAT TOO .
The idea was and is to create an idea , a religoin of sorts that can UNIFY all tobe as one .
ONLY JESUS had to be removed out the way . As well as the false stuff of the other religoins .
ANYTHING that divides had to be removed , INCLUDING BIBLICAL TRUTH . AND the latter one IS A HUGE MISTAKE
to remove . WE REALLY SHOULD have learned the bible for ourselves .
I know all other religions to be false . YET now today its got so bad
that not only are certain sins accepted and embraced as love , THEY Got christendom convinced even
that GOD is not only fine with false faiths but with the false religoins too . THAT ALL we need to do is just love
And that GOD is fine with muslims buddists , atheists and whateverist , so long as the soul does good to others , has this lovey do crap .
AND would you like to know who ushered this abomination in unto the churches even .
THE RCC DID . OOOPSY we do have a problem dont we .
SEE the RCC knows something . THIS WORLD is changing and in order to stay afloat it better go with the FLOW .
AND THE RCC aint alone , THE PROTESTANT SOLD OUT LEADERS know the same thing .
That in order to stay atop and making money , THEY BETTER GO WITH THE FLOW and not against it .
ITS A TOTAL SELL OUT and its being sold under the idea its love , its unity , its GODS Will . ONLY IT AINT
its the will ONLY of HE who desires and desired to be as GOD
and that one is using the pride and love of the world and money TO BAIT THE SOLD OUT to SELL OUT their flocks to the lie .
THE LIE THIS LAMB WONT BE BUYING . PEROID .
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