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Incorrect.

Crucified the flesh (tēn sarka estaurōsan). Definite event, first aorist active indicative of stauroō as in Gal_2:19 (mystical union with Christ). Paul uses sarx here in the same sense as in Gal_5:16, Gal_5:17, Gal_5:19, “the force in men that makes for evil” (Burton).
With (sun). “Together with,” emphasizing “the completeness of the extermination of this evil force” and the guarantee of victory over one’s passions and dispositions toward evil.


Gal 5:24 ThoseG3588 Art-NMP Hoi Οἱ nowG1161 Conj de δὲ -G3588 Art-GMS tou τοῦ of ChristG5547 N-GMS Christou Χριστοῦ Jesus,G2424 N-GMS Iēsou, Ἰησοῦ, theG3588 Art-AFS tēn τὴν fleshG4561 N-AFS sarka σάρκα have crucifiedG4717 G5656 V-AIA-3P estaurōsan ἐσταύρωσαν withG4862 Prep syn σὺν [its]G3588 Art-DNP tois τοῖς passionsG3804 N-DNP pathēmasin παθήμασιν andG2532 Conj kai καὶ -G3588 Art-DFP tais ταῖς desires.G1939 N-DFP epithymiais. ἐπιθυμίαις.

ἐσταύρωσαν
Transliteration: estaurōsan
Morphology: V-AIA-3P
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural-That's exactly correct-WE have crucified the flesh-Gal_5:24. ἐσταύρωσαν. The Apostle has already traced back his own spiritual life to the fellowship with the crucifixion of Christ, which he had undergone at his conversion (Gal_2:20). He assumes that his converts have likewise crucified the will of the flesh-

Who is doing the act of crucifying here?


Strong's no.: G4717 (σταυρόω)
Meaning: To fix to the cross, crucify; fig: to destroy, mortify.


5:24 "those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh" This is AORIST ACTIVE INDICATIVE which speaks of completed action in past time. This passage, and others which imply mystical union, can be interpreted within theological categories (cf. Rom. 6:6).

Throughout the book of Galatians, particularly 2:20, "crucify" is used to characterize our relationship to the Law. Once we accept God's free offer of grace in Christ as our only means of salvation, we decisively cut ourselves off from the evil of our fallen nature and the fallen world system.

This personal decision of cutting ourselves off is the biblical metaphor of "crucifixion" as seen in Gal. 2:20; 5:24 and 6:14.


This is often characterized as "death to self." God has made us individually (cf. Psalm 139) to serve Him and not ourselves (cf. Rom. 6). This new life in Christ means death to the fallen, self-centered lifestyle of rebellious mankind (cf. Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:11; 2 Cor. 5:14-15; 1 John 3:16).



"with its passions and desires" The Greeks identified the body as the source of sinfulness because they did not have supernatural revelation about creation and the fall of mankind (cf. Genesis 1-3). Therefore, they blamed the morally neutral physical body as the source of evil. Believers understand from Paul that the body is morally neutral (cf. Rom. 4:1; 9:3; 1 Cor. 10:18). Jesus had a real human body (cf. John 1:14; Rom. 1:3; 9:5). Its goodness or wickedness depends on how we use it, for God or for evil. Once we become believers, we must yield our fallen, self-centered tendencies to the power of the Holy Spirit (cf. Romans 7 and 1 John 2:1).
Utley.

Incorrect.

Crucified the flesh (tēn sarka estaurōsan). Definite event, first aorist active indicative of stauroō as in Gal_2:19 (mystical union with Christ). Paul uses sarx here in the same sense as in Gal_5:16, Gal_5:17, Gal_5:19, “the force in men that makes for evil” (Burton).
With (sun). “Together with,” emphasizing “the completeness of the extermination of this evil force” and the guarantee of victory over one’s passions and dispositions toward evil.


Gal 5:24 ThoseG3588 Art-NMP Hoi Οἱ nowG1161 Conj de δὲ -G3588 Art-GMS tou τοῦ of ChristG5547 N-GMS Christou Χριστοῦ Jesus,G2424 N-GMS Iēsou, Ἰησοῦ, theG3588 Art-AFS tēn τὴν fleshG4561 N-AFS sarka σάρκα have crucifiedG4717 G5656 V-AIA-3P estaurōsan ἐσταύρωσαν withG4862 Prep syn σὺν [its]G3588 Art-DNP tois τοῖς passionsG3804 N-DNP pathēmasin παθήμασιν andG2532 Conj kai καὶ -G3588 Art-DFP tais ταῖς desires.G1939 N-DFP epithymiais. ἐπιθυμίαις.

ἐσταύρωσαν
Transliteration: estaurōsan
Morphology: V-AIA-3P
Verb - Aorist Indicative Active - 3rd Person Plural-That's exactly correct-WE have crucified the flesh-Gal_5:24. ἐσταύρωσαν. The Apostle has already traced back his own spiritual life to the fellowship with the crucifixion of Christ, which he had undergone at his conversion (Gal_2:20). He assumes that his converts have likewise crucified the will of the flesh-

Who is doing the act of crucifying here?


Strong's no.: G4717 (σταυρόω)
Meaning: To fix to the cross, crucify; fig: to destroy, mortify.


5:24 "those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh" This is AORIST ACTIVE INDICATIVE which speaks of completed action in past time. This passage, and others which imply mystical union, can be interpreted within theological categories (cf. Rom. 6:6).

Throughout the book of Galatians, particularly 2:20, "crucify" is used to characterize our relationship to the Law. Once we accept God's free offer of grace in Christ as our only means of salvation, we decisively cut ourselves off from the evil of our fallen nature and the fallen world system.

This personal decision of cutting ourselves off is the biblical metaphor of "crucifixion" as seen in Gal. 2:20; 5:24 and 6:14.


This is often characterized as "death to self." God has made us individually (cf. Psalm 139) to serve Him and not ourselves (cf. Rom. 6). This new life in Christ means death to the fallen, self-centered lifestyle of rebellious mankind (cf. Gal. 2:20; Rom. 6:11; 2 Cor. 5:14-15; 1 John 3:16).



"with its passions and desires" The Greeks identified the body as the source of sinfulness because they did not have supernatural revelation about creation and the fall of mankind (cf. Genesis 1-3). Therefore, they blamed the morally neutral physical body as the source of evil. Believers understand from Paul that the body is morally neutral (cf. Rom. 4:1; 9:3; 1 Cor. 10:18). Jesus had a real human body (cf. John 1:14; Rom. 1:3; 9:5). Its goodness or wickedness depends on how we use it, for God or for evil. Once we become believers, we must yield our fallen, self-centered tendencies to the power of the Holy Spirit (cf. Romans 7 and 1 John 2:1).
Utley.
The bible corroborates its own meaning.

If we read Gal. 6:14...

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

There is no ambiguity here that it is the cross of Christ .....not ours to perform our own crucifixion. Paul attests to the power of HIS cross...not our cross. It is the power of the cross of Christ that crucifies our sin nature in order to be freed to walk without sin...overcoming sin, the devil, and world through the resurrection life of Christ.

Does the above verse sound like Paul was able to discipline himself and then glory in something that he was doing himself? Or is grace something that God does...not by the power of man...but by the power of God?

The gospel is about freedom from the bondage of sin...not a freedom IN sin.
 
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The bible corroborates its own meaning.

If we read Gal. 6:14...

But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

There is no ambiguity here that it is the cross of Christ .....not ours to perform our own crucifixion. Paul attests to the power of HIS cross...not our cross. It is the power of the cross of Christ that crucifies our sin nature in order to be freed to walk without sin...overcoming sin, the devil, and world through the resurrection life of Christ.

Does the above verse sound like Paul was able to discipline himself and then glory in something that he was doing himself? Or is grace something that God does...not by the power of man...but by the power of God?

The gospel is about freedom from the bondage of sin...not a freedom IN sin.
Galatians 6:14
Contrast of Paul's own boasting and its ground with those of the false apostles.
By whom (δι' οὗ)
The relative may refer either to the cross, by which, or to Christ, by whom.

The cross was a stumbling-block to the Jews (Gal_3:13), and it is the crucified Christ that Paul is emphasizing. Comp. Gal_2:20; Gal_5:24.

The world (κόσμος)
See on Joh_1:9; see on Act_17:24; see on 1Co_4:9.
"through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world"

This is the continuing metaphor throughout Galatians which speaks of believers' death to the Law and their being alive to God in Christ. This is a PERFECT PASSIVE INDICATIVE, which emphasizes a continuing state accomplished by an outside agent, here, the Spirit.

This metaphor is used in Gal. 2:19, 5:24, and here, expressing how all things become new when believers identify with Christ's death on the cross. They are now free from the Law in order to live for God (cf. Rom. 6:10-11, 12-23).



6:15 "For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation" Paul has already mentioned that circumcision is not the issue (cf. Gal. 5:6; Rom. 2:28-29; 1 Cor. 7:18-19). The issue is salvation, if believers try to make themselves acceptable to God by human effort, either pagan or Jew, they are totally cut off from the absolutely free gift of God in Jesus Christ. There are two mutually exclusive ways of being right with God.

the free gospel of Christ through repentance and faith
human effort
Paul restates that circumcision is not really the issue (nor food laws, cf. 1 Cor. 8; 10:23-26), but how one pursues right standing with God by perfectly fulfilling the law.


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New International Version
No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

New Living Translation
I discipline my body like an athlete, training it to do what it should. Otherwise, I fear that after preaching to others I myself might be disqualified.

English Standard Version
But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Berean Standard Bible
No, I discipline my body and make it my slave, so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified.

1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.


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Your right God loves us.

But his love will not over rule his justice.

Justice demands payment for sin.

And unless your sin is atoned for. you have no hope. No matter how much God loves you
And now we gonna examine this my friend .
For i tell us all many are already infected to some degree with another version of GOD and of His love .
I invite us all to return First to the pages of genesis through malachi , then also read all of the new testament .
We will see something . THERE is aboslutely no difference between THAT GOD . OR HIS CHRIST .
Absolutely no difference in HIS LOVE .
See the love of GOD . SEE IT . Embrace it . learn of it .
For you will then see the difference between what the world percieves as love verses what is the love of GOD .
Now we can do this with anything . aka truth , freedom , liberty , unity and any other word out there .
THERE IS the version that cometh of GOD and then the version of what the world thinketh those words to be .
For today we shall speak of the love of GOD .
God loved adam , He loved Eve . Did he set them in the garden and say ALL IS WELL DO AS THOU WILT
or DID HE GIVE THEM A WARNING of what NOT TO DO .
Exactly .
Now lets examine things .
DID GOD release the jews into the land of canan and say do as thou wilt , OR DID HE REMIND THEM .
DID GOD just destroy them or did he not warn them first .
See warnings are not JUDGMENTAL . Warning against sin and error IS NOT BEING JUDGEMENTAL .
DID GOD not always warn those in error FIRST , before he destroyed . YES HE DID .
SEE every word of GOD IS LOVE . and its meant for our good . SO
SEW , and SO again , WHY THE HECK are lambs like me who warn Being seen as judgmental
I mean GOD desires not the death of any , I dont either.
ITS WHY I WARN and Etc . SO why are folks allowing this love to come in that makes it seem
like reminding folks about any kind of severity of GOD , IS in error .
WHY .
IF we want to see love i invite us to read all four gospels
IF we want to see love in action i invite us to read all the letters of the apostels . AND BOY HOWDY THEY SURE SEEMED TO WARN
and to CORRECT ERROR . OOPSY me thinks me smells a lot of poopsy in todays generation and its image o GOD
and its love it thinks cometh of GOD . THE DEVIL IS whom many now follow and know it not . And that , IS A FACT .
 
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Sorry it took me this long to watch your short vid. Real good stuff in there, will have to watch it again later as, there were a couple things I did not understand. :vgood:

Oh yeah, you look like you have lost weight...?
Hope you all are good over there!
 
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