Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

[GeneZ]

Bible scholars are leaving Christianity because too many Christians are leaving Christianity.

Hardly anyone can accept correction anymore where it demands separation from the herd.
And a great deal of what good scholarship does is to correct misconceptions ...
Misconceptions that too many believers wish to believe, and maintain they are truth.

2 Timothy 4:3​

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For the time will come when they will not endure/ put up with sound doctrine. ​

Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number ​

of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."​

Intelligent scholars can become highly discouraged when they feel all their dedication and hard work is for naught
while all the apostates have their pseudo scholars to reinforce what they wish to hear....

Those scholars who endure to the end of their lives, and do their work as onto the Lord, pass the test from God.

 

[Behold]

Those scholars who endure to the end of their lives, and do their work as onto the Lord, pass the test from God.

Isn't the current role of a "Christian Scholar" to be a "Bible Corrector", who teaches that the Koine Greek is the "original" word of God and the Bible is one big mass of " translator's errors".

That's not really Scholarship, unless the Devil is handing out the Diploma's.

I see this carnal nonsense most often related to the KJV< as there is a huge cult of "KJV haters" on the planet.

What is interesting about this, is that the Pastor who led them to the Lord, more than likely, used the KJV.

I use a few different versions, but i notice that the KJV is always getting abused by "so called" Scholarship and by people who have been mislead by the same.

 

[St. SteVen]

So....who do you think was sent of God?

Good post, but...
Can we really determine that based on the tangible results?

Five missionaries were murdered upon arrival to meet the Auca Indians in Ecuador.

Who Were the Five Missionaries Who Died in the Ecuador Jungle?

Read Who Were the Five Missionaries Who Died in the Ecuador Jungle? by Kristi Walker and more articles about People and Wiki on Christianity.com

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[Behold]

Five missionaries were murdered upon arrival to meet the Auca Indians in Ecuador.

English Standard Version
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

Berean Standard Bible
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.

King James Bible
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.

 

[GeneZ]

Isn't the current role of a "Christian Scholar" to be a "Bible Corrector", who teaches that the Koine Greek is the "original" word of God and the Bible is one big mass of " translator's errors".

If that is what I intended to say?
With emphasis you displayed?
I would have thought twice before posting, and not done it.

A Christian scholar is to show corrections when they are needed.
And, corrections are needed more often than realized if one wants accurate exegesis.

Also:
The Koine Greek is only one of the Languages.
Classic Greek is also found in the NT.
Hebrew and Aramaic (Book of Daniel) is also to be found.

Note: The language in Job is unlike any other found in the Bible, or outside it.
The book of Job is written in Hebrew, but it is very strange Hebrew..
It has more unique words than any other book of the Hebrew Bible.

Many mainstream translations use words that are translated with a generic flair, while the Greek tenses can take on a specific emphasis lost with mainstream translations. Generic to the sense that can change an entire emphasis as to remove ambiguities.

If you wish to see what I refer to I can recommend two translations done by dedicated scholars.

1) Kenneth Wuest NT and word studies.

2) Charles B. Williams NT translation.

And, if you want to be taught exegesis straight from the pulpit (recorded), this pastor never would shy away from doing so for the seminary students
in his congregation. R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries | Home

grace and peace .....................

 

[BlessedPeace]

I would answer and say, just because someone is a scholar doesn't mean they are one with Christ.

Author Bart Ehrman teaches at a Christian University. He has scholar type credits to his name but yet he's an atheist.

Jesus knew this in his day when some of his disciples,students,left him. They went out from him because they were not one with him.
Same thing happens today.

 

[ElieG12]

Don't you wonder if those powerful works that those individuals directed and/or witnessed in their churches were real? How can you witness supposed powers that go beyond the human, and still lose faith?

It was all false on the part of those men; from their faith, to their religious services and their supposed spiritual gifts from God... everything was human, emotional, and simply based in the letter like Pharisees thought (KJV: Rom. 2:29; 7:6).

Was maybe everything already planned from the beginning? Maybe was that the very same plan in the heart of those very schools of theology since the moment of their creation? God only knows... but obviously, those schools never had God's favor, or those students wouldn't have failed in their faith. There is something darker behind all that.

Anyway, Christendom with all its schools, sects, leaders, salaries, businesses, politics, is not God's way to educate His people, which should be separated of this world... The Scriptures call all that system as Babylon, a place of religious confusion, united with merchants and kings ... and it guarantees:

Rev. 16:12 The sixth one poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the rising of the sun.

 

[St. SteVen]

Jesus knew this in his day when some of his disciples,students,left him. They went out from him because they were not one with him.

That sounds like a pseudo-biblical misquote. Unless you can quote Jesus saying that.

Here's probably what you were thinking of. Quoted below.

A typical dismissive response to those questioning their faith.
To claim that they were NEVER of the faith. Not even what the verse is referring to. (sigh)
And the testimonies of those being criticized shows that this is NOT true of them.

Christians spew this crap without having even WATCHED the videos. Thus bearing FALSE WITNESS.
I suppose you will defend yourself by claiming your OPINION is "God's Word".

1 John 2:19 NIV
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us,
they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

 

[ElieG12]

Remember that in this topic the supposed luminaries of Christianity are being mentioned, people who supposedly have more biblical information to study and share ... There are thousands of people who read their articles, listened to their lectures and admired them as their religious teachers and guides. They are not just ordinary Christians who are interested in learning the truth...

What do you think the impact will be on their readers, on those who were "illuminated" with their supposed light? in those who drank of those waters? Those are waters that dry up... and those who drank from them will die of thirst.

 

[ElieG12]

Haven't you wondered why many modernized Christians don't believe that Adam and Eve were real people, even though Jesus considered them the first couple of humans created by God?

Or why not even the Jews themselves believe that Moses really existed, and think that the 40 years in the desert are a made up story?

Or why are many so-called Christians saying that the Biblical Flood never happened?

It was those scholars who taught them those things... and they were impressed by those titles they have as it was an empowerment coming from God himself.

As a Jehovah's Witness I have had to deal with many non-Christians who deny Bible truths, and also many Christians who don't even believe the Bible anymore. Thanks God we are not more part of that system since 1919.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Fair enough...
By in large they come from a fundamentalist, or evangelical backgrounds.
And accepted the biblical views that came with that mindset.

In every case they encountered something that didn't sit well with them.
They looked both inside and outside the Bible for answers. And found that
history and science were incompatible with biblical theology.

Advanced education played a role. These were legitimate believers,
so the claim they NEVER were a "true" Christian is false. (1 John 2:19)

There seems to be something to the idea that some people want their religious
views to be completely black and white. The gray areas are terrifying to them.

Apologetics are designed to meet that need. As a result, the honest "I don't know."
answer is unacceptable to them. I remember having my own moment in reference
to the standard evangelical explanation of "the unforgivable sin". (unbelief)
Which has ABSOLUTELY no support in the text. (Matthew 12:31)

That's typical Because they are Fundamentalist or Evangelical background says it all about that type of mind set.
Believers in a Religion ? that's one thing, but the thing is, that one must truly be born again ? that means Christ Jesus is your Head and you are his body as one within him, abiding in him, that's the real Church !
Not like the Jews had a religion ? for that does not Save ones Soul, only Christ Jesus can save ones Soul in fact.
Religion never saved anyone, religion is only a schoolmaster set to prep one, in the hope one gets Saved, that was the issue !
But some of the Fundamentalist and Evangelical Mobs peddle their own agenda based on cherry picking and claiming they can Save you by following them.
I have had such claim they can save others by repeating a set set of words for you and bingo you are saved ? according to them ! but i said i was Saved before i met them. It was a work of God ! nothing to do with Man at all. If you are Saved you will know it in fact, because you would of been blown away by such, you do not forget such ! it was as we seen with Saul before he became Paul.

So much religious humbug ! as was Saul lost in, he was off track as in regards to God in fact, a great man a great religious man ! but when he got Saved he became as in Christ Jesus Saved ! he abide in Christ Jesus through the Grace given him and what is the glory given to ? Himself in Christ Jesus. is that not the Glory of Glory's !

 

[BlessedPeace]

Don't you wonder if those powerful works that those individuals directed and/or witnessed in their churches were real? How can you witness supposed powers that go beyond the human, and still lose faith?

It was all false on the part of those men; from their faith, to their religious services and their supposed spiritual gifts from God... everything was human, emotional, and simply based in the letter like Pharisees thought (KJV: Rom. 2:29; 7:6).

Was maybe everything already planned from the beginning? Maybe was that the very same plan in the heart of those very schools of theology since the moment of their creation? God only knows... but obviously, those schools never had God's favor, or those students wouldn't have failed in their faith. There is something darker behind all that.

Anyway, Christendom with all its schools, sects, leaders, salaries, businesses, politics, is not God's way to educate His people, which should be separated of this world... The Scriptures call all that system as Babylon, a place of religious confusion, united with merchants and kings ... and it guarantees:

Rev. 16:12 The sixth one poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the rising of the sun.

How would disciples who witnessed miracles of Jesus leave him after that?

Back in that time messiah types would appear and scam people. Jesus though was real and yet people did not believe.

Remember how he told his disciples to kick the dust from their sandals if a town did not receive the gospel?

He said too that not everyone was meant to understand and be saved.

 

[St. SteVen]

What do you think the impact will be on their readers, on those who were "illuminated" with their supposed light? in those who drank of those waters? Those are waters that dry up... and those who drank from them will die of thirst.

In many testimonies they recall being torn by what their conclusions meant both to them and
the people around them, for whom they were also concerned.

This could happen to anyone. Imagine a leader in one of the other world religions coming to Christ.
Their former "disciples" would no doubt be disappointed. Should they abandon Christ to keep their former
followers happy, or move forward with their new-found faith?

 

[St. SteVen]

Haven't you wondered why many modernized Christians don't believe that Adam and Eve were real people, even though Jesus considered them the first couple of humans created by God?

Yes I have wondered. I'm torn on the issue.
If the participants in original sin, and the fall of humankind were a fiction, what's the point?

Or why not even the Jews themselves believe that Moses really existed, and think that the 40 years in the desert are a made up story?

Science and archeology are at odds with the biblical record.
Even the history of Egypt, as recorded by the Egyptians, shows no evidence of the Exodus.
Nor does the archeology in the Holy Land support the violent takeover of Canaan by the Israelites.

Or why are many so-called Christians saying that the Biblical Flood never happened?

Probably not fair to label them as "so-called Christians".
Belief in the Flood is not a "salvation" issue. IMHO

It was those scholars who taught them those things... and they were impressed by those titles they have as it was an empowerment coming from God himself.

It seems that when those scholars went outside the Bible for proof, the Bible came up short on the evidence side.
Shouldn't the Bible be SUPPORTED by outside sources? If this was a legal court case, would the Bible win?
Do we believe the Bible simply because we believe the Bible? End of story?

As a Jehovah's Witness I have had to deal with many non-Christians who deny Bible truths, and also many Christians who don't even believe the Bible anymore. Thanks God we are not more part of that system since 1919.

I imagine you have your own problems. No denomination is perfect.
We typically end up where we are most comfortable.

 

[St. SteVen]

That's typical Because they are Fundamentalist or Evangelical background says it all about that type of mind set.

Yes, I think oftentimes atheism is an overreaction to a "Fundamentalist or Evangelical background".
I consider myself a recovering evangelical. I'm reevaluating the things I was taught in my religious upbringing.

I have had such claim they can save others by repeating a set set of words for you and bingo you are saved ?

That is a practice that I have questioned as well. But in the final (further) analysis I concluded that the means is
less important than the outcome. (the end) God actually spoke to me, at the young age of eight years old, and encouraged
me to repeat that set of words as a starting point. And for decades I believed that was the only way. No more.

I'll post my testimony if you want to read it. Thanks.

 

[St. SteVen]

How would disciples who witnessed miracles of Jesus leave him after that?

Actually most of them left when Jesus informed them that they needed to eat his flesh and drink his blood. (Eww)

John 6:54 NIV
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

John 6:66 NIV
From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

 

[St. SteVen]

He said too that not everyone was meant to understand and be saved.

Wow. Salvation by IQ?

 

[Rockerduck]

Actually most of them left when Jesus informed them that they needed to eat his flesh and drink his blood. (Eww)

John 6:54 NIV
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

John 6:66 NIV
From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

John 6:67-68 -
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

When tragedy strikes these are the words most born again people use. They never leave Jesus Christ.

 

[JohnDB]

I always wondered about guys like Ravi Zacharias....
How can you work and spend your life this way just to throw it all away?

I listened to him out of a Canadian radio station as a teenager....seen his tracts and literature....

Just to find out after he died that he was a lecherous man. Kinda nuts....

Was it burnout or something?

 

[Behold]

If that is what I intended to say?

I actually just asked a general question, to anyone who finds my post.

As if you actually look at what is considered as Theological "Scholarship" : in this Century... you find that its mostly "bible correcting".

Seminaries no longer teach the Student to love the bible, and preach and teach the bible as the final authority..... They teach them to teach that it has errors in it.
Thats a fact.

And who started that trend?

Satan.,. As He is the first corrector of the word of God, as He told them...."Hath God said"....
And Now that is the same as you find with "scholarship" in the Christian realm.
They are these..."can the bible be trusted".. "isn't it full of errors".... So, come to us, as we read Greek, and we will show you the way...

I dont find that to be scholarly. I find that to be Prideful and self aggrandizingly Satanic.
You could consider it a cult of bible correctors parading about as "scholarship" for about the last 80 yrs.