What Satan Doesn't Want You to Know

[Episkopos]

Commandments can't save you.

This is not what I said. I said obedience saves you...the commandments can't do anything of themselves.

If they could then Jesus didn't have to die for your filthy sins., Episkopos.

Jesus died to bring us into His kind of life....to be joined to Him...not just a coverup for your filthiness. Be doers not just hearers deceiving yourselves.

Jesus on the Cross is the Gift of Salvation.

No. Jesus on the cross is the shame on all flesh. The resurrection of Jesus is given as a gift of life for those who join Him in His death. Salvation is through life, not death. You have a dead religion.

Stop making up religious twaddle. Some here can't tell you are kidding around...they may even take you seriously.

Receive Him, like this.. "all that call on the name of Jesus Shall be Saved".

"As many as Received Jesus.....God gave to them Power to become the Sons of God"

"The Preaching of the CROSS... is the power of God unto Salvation"

Go to God and be delivered from your filthiness.

 

[Episkopos]

..?...please show me the scripture I asked for?

As such Paul can write, “For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you abstain from sexual immorality” (1 Thessalonians 4:3). He commands Christians to “present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification” (Rom 6:19). Because believers have been set free from their slavery to sin, “the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life” (Romans 6:22).

You want bible translations that support your theories....go right ahead.

See if you get holier after 50years or so. Maybe just thinking you are holier than others, perhaps.

We are TRANSLATED into the kingdom walk...or else we walk as any mortal.

Look up "translated" (rapture, or harpazo)

Find your favourite wording as you wish.

 

[Episkopos]

The only people who end up in Hell, then the Lake of Fire are these..

"If you do not believe im the Messiah, you will die in your sins">

And who are those?
Those are the people who never obeyed the Lord..... here.

Jesus said....>"You must be born again".

Easy to take words out of context. Obeyed the Lord? You are against obedience. No truth in your words...only confusion and downright heresies.

 

[Behold]

This is not what I said. I said obedience saves you...the commandments can't do anything of themselves.

Obedience does not Save you.

Only JESUS SAVES you...

See the Cross for the Update, as you've missed it for many years now.

Jesus died to bring us into His kind of life....to be joined to Him...not just a coverup for your filthiness.

No, He didn't die to bring us into His KIND of Life, .. He died to bring us. "LIFE and that more abundant"
He died so that by His death we can share in His ETERNAL LIFE.
There is your Salvation.

And the confusion you have, which is enormous, is that you conflate The Salvation that is the "GIFT from God" that is unearned and unmerited, with Discipleship that is what the born again Believer does, BECAUSE they already have Salvation, and never to try to earn it or keep it.

No. Jesus on the cross is the shame on all flesh. The resurrection of Jesus is given as a gift of life for those who join Him in His death.

God is given His Death, as a sacrifice for the world... John 3:16....... we are given this..."the Gift of Salvation".
The same power that rose Jesus from the Dead... is the Resurrection power of the Holy Spirit that is the "new Birth" that creates the "new Creation in Christ".

Salvation is through life, not death. You have a dead religion.

Salvation is through the Cross of Christ, offered as "The Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness".
This is UN-Earned by the Believer who is Saved by God, through the Cross of Christ and kept Saved the same exact Way.

John 14:6

Stop making up religious twaddle. Some here can't tell you are kidding around...they may even take you seriously.

There is a reason that your Theology is anti-Cross.
"they" hear it, as it rings like a bell of lies.

Go to God and be delivered from your filthiness.

Jesus said. "you must be born again".

I did that, and He took my "filthiness" like this..

"God has made Jesus to be SIN for us"... as "The one time eternal sacrifice for sin".

 

[Ritajanice]

This is not what I said. I said obedience saves you...the commandments can't do anything of themselves.

Jesus died to bring us into His kind of life....to be joined to Him...not just a coverup for your filthiness.




No. Jesus on the cross is the shame on all flesh. The resurrection of Jesus is given as a gift of life for those who join Him in His death. Salvation is through life, not death. You have a dead religion.

Stop making up religious twaddle. Some here can't tell you are kidding around...they may even take you seriously.

Go to God and be delivered from your filthiness.

The fruit of the Spirit is.....

Galatians 5:22-23​

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King James Version​

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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Where is your fruit?

You want bible translations that support your theories....go right ahead.

See if you get holier after 50years or so. Maybe just thinking you are holier than others, perhaps.

We are TRANSLATED into the kingdom walk...or else we walk as any mortal.

Look up "translated" (rapture, or harpazo)

Find your favourite wording as you wish.

You have produced NO scripture....to back up your theology.....therefore, this, as you say...” being an eternal type of fruit...are your words...not God’s....therefore void.

 

[Ritajanice]

This is not what I said. I said obedience saves you...the commandments can't do anything of themselves.

Jesus died to bring us into His kind of life....to be joined to Him...not just a coverup for your filthiness. Be doers not just hearers deceiving yourselves.




No. Jesus on the cross is the shame on all flesh. The resurrection of Jesus is given as a gift of life for those who join Him in His death. Salvation is through life, not death. You have a dead religion.

Stop making up religious twaddle. Some here can't tell you are kidding around...they may even take you seriously.

Go to God and be delivered from your filthiness.

Show me in God’s word where it says....” Obedience saves you”?

Obedience saves NO ONE.

We are saved when this happens and not before.

John 3:3-8​

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Behold]

Easy to take words out of context. Obeyed the Lord? You are against obedience. No truth in your words...only confusion and downright heresies.

WE obey the Lord, initially, when we come to the Cross, by Faith in Christ.

God then delivers to us "The Gift of Salvation", and we are born again by the Holy Spirit.

That is all of God.....

So, now having received the ATONEMENT, and now being Sanctified and Justified by the Cross of Christ, we have become a Son/Daughter of God, Born again.

This is a sinner, becoming a Saint........... this is Redemption..... This is "imputed Righteousness".... UNDESERVED and can't be earned.

THEN, following this Salvation, we begin our walk of faith, that is Discipleship.... and this is SEPARATE from the SALVATION that God has delivered to us, when we are "yet sinners"......

This part"... = "Present your body as a living sacrifice to God as your REASONABLE SERVICE"... .is "DISCIPLESHIP... that follows Salvation, exactly as Water Baptism follows Salvation.

A Heretic, does not understand that Salvation is ALL OF GOD< and our Discipleship is what the born again Believer does, SUBSEQUENT to being Born again.

Paul said that he "finished his COURSE"... and his Course is his Discipleship... that he entered into, AFTER HE was born again.

Notice that He never teaches that he had to finish his course to go to heaven, or to stay saved.

 

[Episkopos]

Obedience does not Save you.

Only JESUS SAVES you...

To judge you by your works....read the bible.

See the Cross for the Update, as you've missed it for many years now.

Jesus was RAISED for our justification. You're still stuck on looking at death....through death...and into death.

No, He didn't die to bring us into His KIND of Life, .. He died to bring us. "LIFE and that more abundant"

You don't know that lief...you have embraced death. And you are looking for more temporal things...abundant temporal life.

He died so that by His death we can share in His ETERNAL LIFE.
There is your Salvation.

No. His life is imparted through the Spirit...into resurrection life...not resurrection death.

And the confusion you have, which is enormous, is that you conflate The Salvation that is the "GIFT from God" that is unearned and unmerited, with Discipleship that is what the born again Believer does, BECAUSE they already have Salvation, and never to try to earn it or keep it.

We are given grace to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. God judges all men without consideration of persons. Fear the Lord.

God is given His Death, as a sacrifice for the world... John 3:16....... we are given this..."the Gift of Salvation".
The same power that rose Jesus from the Dead... is the Resurrection power of the Holy Spirit that is the "new Birth" that creates the "new Creation in Christ".

As I have stated. But from the new creation one needs to grow...and learn to do righteousness. As Paul said...Instruction in righteousness.

Salvation is through the Cross of Christ, offered as "The Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness".
This is UN-Earned by the Believer who is Saved by God, through the Cross of Christ and kept Saved the same exact Way.

John 14:6




There is a reason that your Theology is anti-Cross.
"they" hear it, as it rings like a bell of lies.

I am pro-cross....you are anti-cross. You think the cross is only for Jesus. That His cross saves you because you like seeing Jesus put to death...or some other twisted scheme of yours.

To glory in the cross doesn't mean cheering the death of Jesus.

Jesus said. "you must be born again".

He's ready when you are...

Born again for what? You have no clue about what born again even entails.

 

[Episkopos]

WE obey the Lord, initially, when we come to the Cross, by Faith in Christ.

God then delivers to us "The Gift of Salvation", and we are born again by the Holy Spirit.

That is all of God.....

So, now having received the ATONEMENT, and now being Sanctified and Justified by the Cross of Christ, we have become a Son/Daughter of God, Born again.

This is a sinner, becoming a Saint........... this is Redemption..... This is "imputed Righteousness".... UNDESERVED and can't be earned.

THEN, following this Salvation, we begin our walk of faith, that is Discipleship.... and this is SEPARATE from the SALVATION that God has delivered to us, when we are "yet sinners"......

This part"... = "Present your body as a living sacrifice to God as your REASONABLE SERVICE"... .is "DISCIPLESHIP... that follows Salvation, exactly as Water Baptism follows Salvation.

A Heretic, does not understand that Salvation is ALL OF GOD< and our Discipleship is what the born again Believer does, SUBSEQUENT to being Born again.

Paul said that he "finished his COURSE"... and his Course is his Discipleship... that he entered into, AFTER HE was born again.

Notice that He never teaches that he had to finish his course to go to heaven, or to stay saved.

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...or in your case, don't even bother...just bury anything you get. Otherwise that's works. Whatever.

 

[Episkopos]

Show me in God’s word where it says....” Obedience saves you”?

Obedience saves NO ONE.

We are saved when this happens and not before.

John 3:3-8​

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King James Version​

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Poor you...listening to Behold instead of reading your bible.

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

 

[Behold]

To judge you by your works....read the bible.

You'll be judged by your "words".. read the bible.

And at the Judgement Seat of Christ, there is a assessment of the works a born again believer has committed for God.
This Bema seat, will judge not the Work.... but the MOTIVE of the HEART, that produced the Work.

Jesus was RAISED for our justification. You're still stuck on looking at death....through death...and into death.

I just told you that the Resurrection power of the Holy Spirit is our "born again" Resurrection.
'Its this same resurrected Jesus who is "Christ in you, the Hope of Glory", if the person is born again.

All the born again are "IN CHRIST".. joined to the Resurrection as "Jesus is the RESURRECTION, and the LIFE"

Read your bible.
Its right in there.......

You don't know that lief...you have embraced death. And you are looking for more temporal things...abundant temporal life.

I have Christ in me, so, ive not only embraced God's resurrection, im now existing as a part of it. "in Christ"

No. His life is imparted through the Spirit...into resurrection life...not resurrection death.

I think you need to re-read what i wrote, as you are still stuck in "death" and i wrote about the power of the Resurrection.

We are given grace to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. God judges all men without consideration of persons. Fear the Lord.

We are Given Salvation, as "the Gift of Salvation".... and to work that out, isn't us doing it, as we are not Christ on the Cross who is Salvation.

To work it out, is to first have RECEIVED IT, and then its to understand what it is we been given...
This revelation knowledge, once gained, is how you work it out.

I am pro-cross....you are anti-cross.

You wrote that Jesus on the Cross is this... 'Whipping Boy".

So, your words fell like SPIT on the Grace of God.
Your posts, your Threads, are no friend of the Grace of God.

 

[Behold]

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling...or in your case, don't even bother...just bury anything you get. Otherwise that's works. Whatever.

Jesus is Salvation, Resurrection, and Eternal Life.

= Ive worked it out.

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus is Salvation, Resurrection, and Eternal Life.

= Ive worked it out.

Of course you have. You are rich and in need of nothing. All you have to do is point to Jesus and expect God to treat you well for having done nothing. Good luck with that.

 

[Ritajanice]

Poor you...listening to Behold instead of reading your bible.

I read the Living word of God, no need to get so personal because I agree with the teaching of Behold...it’s biblical, therefore agree with it.

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

Once again the word of God.

John 3:3-8

King James Version

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

I am Born Again and a Born Again does the will of the Father as they have been birthed in the Spirit.

You must be BORN AGAIN to see the Kingdom of God....and only the Holy Spirit can testify that to your spirit.....

I didn’t say Lord, Lord....I said you must be Born Again....as does God’s word.

Read my post again.....,God says you must be Born Again....

As I pointed out, only the Holy Spirit can birth us....it’s the second birth, a living spiritual birth carried out by the Holy Spirit.....

You must be “ Born Again”......not Lord , Lord .....nowhere in God’s word does it say, Lord,Lord to see the Kingdom of God......so, not sure why you used that verse?

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◄ Romans 8:16 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. New Living Translation For his Spirit joins with our spirit to affirm that we are God’s children. English Standard Version The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Berean Standard Bible The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Berean Literal Bible The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, King James Bible The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: New King James Version The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

 

[Behold]

Of course you have. You are rich and in need of nothing. All you have to do is point to Jesus and expect God to treat you well for having done nothing.

You dont know me in real life, so, what i'll do is just realize that you need to insult others, to feel better about yourself.
There is your "ministry".

Also,

The Cross of Christ is all that God accepts to accept us..
He can't accepts us otherwise. John 14:6.... as there is no other basis other than the Cross of Christ.
And on the day we as sinners kneel before it with faith in Christ in our heart , God gives us Eternal Salvation, because "Faith is counted as righteousness" and the believer is "justified by Faith". "without the deeds of the Law" or commandment keeping or water baptism.
This happens once, and the proof is that the person is Born again.
'They can't become more righteous, more redeemed, or more accepted by God, as they have become His Son/Daughter.
The Salvation that makes this possible, was completed by Jesus, 2000 yrs ago... on the CROSS.
All who believe, will receive what HE has completed as the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, and in this = God's Grace is revealed and Salvation is assured.

 

[amigo de christo]

You dont know me in real life, so, what i'll do is just realize that you need to insult others, to feel better about yourself.
There is your "ministry".

Also,

The Cross of Christ is all that God accepts to accept us..
He can't accepts us otherwise. John 14:6.... as there is no other basis other than the Cross of Christ.
And on the day we as sinners kneel before it with faith in Christ in our heart , God gives us Eternal Salvation, because "Faith is counted as righteousness" and the believer is "justified by Faith". "without the deeds of the Law" or commandment keeping or water baptism.
This happens once, and the proof is that the person is Born again.
'They can't become more righteous, more redeemed, or more accepted by God, as they have become His Son/Daughter.
The Salvation that makes this possible, was completed by Jesus, 2000 yrs ago... on the CROSS.
All who believe, will receive what HE has completed as the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, and in this = God's Grace is revealed and Salvation is assured.

The gospel of CHRIST is under attack more so than in any other age .
Folks are falling fora ruse . that ruse cannot and will not save them .
Only ONE can save . My advice BELIEVE YE IN HE WHO SAVETH . JESUS THE GLORIOUS CHRIST .
Never follow epi nor scores of others .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

You certainly think He ordained you to "teach" yet you teach against the Security of the Believer, because you dont understand the Blood Atonement, nor do you understand that to be in spiritual union with Jesus is to be joined to Eternal Life, as HE is Eternal Life.
This does not end because of your behavior, as it was begun by your behavior.

Salvation is from God... Its a Gift, and its wholly based on the Cross of Christ.
This is why you go to Jesus, IN FAITH..... as He alone is our Salvation.

John 14:6

I'm showing you that John uses key words. Taking a verse meant for only the apostles and applying it to themselves is the basis for Calvinism, or are you now a fan and become a Calvinist? I wouldn't put it past you.

 

[Behold]

I'm showing you that John uses key words. Taking a verse meant for only the apostles and applying it to themselves is the basis for Calvinism, or are you now a fan and become a Calvinist? I wouldn't put it past you.

Im not a Calvinist.
Neither is God.

And we do have to be careful that we don't mis-apply verses.....

For example. Its the "Acts of the Apostles".... not the Acts of the Christians.
Charismatics have never understood this, and probably most never want to know, as that dries up their spiritual pretense.

And....here is one..

"If we say we have no sin"..

See that one? That is John, and He's not talking to the Born again, as Jesus has their sin... but you find people who can't rightly divided any verses, who will yell, shout, and "flame on" and say, that this verse proves that the Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, "have sin".

Or, these same will take verses that are directed at unsaved HEBREWS, and try to use these verses in a twisted way, to falsely teach that "Christ in you the Hope of GLory" and "having eternal life", is not going to last if you "willfully sin"..

Yet, every "work of the flesh that a born again Christian does" is a willful one..
Including yours.

So, once again this is "wrongly dividing the word" and Hebrews is usually abused this way most often, with Matt 24 and James, being a close 2nd.

And then you have people who are lost in John's Revelation.......

 

[1stCenturyLady]

And....here is one..

"If we say we have no sin"..

See that one? That is John, and He's not talking to the Born again, as Jesus has their sin... but you find people who can't rightly divided any verses, who will yell, shout, and "flame on" and say, that this verse proves that the Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, "have sin".

You do know that I agree with you on 1 John 1:8 don't you? Sometimes I wonder if you just assume you know what I'm writing, or actually read it.

 

[Behold]

You do know that I agree with you on 1 John 1:8 don't you? Sometimes I wonder if you just assume you know what I'm writing, or actually read it.

Where we would have an issue with 1 JN, isn't with the "if we say we have no sin".... being applied to the Born again.
Its not that, perhaps.

But, its this, for certain... You teach that a born again Christian, will never want to commit any work of the Flesh.
That they never want to ever again enjoy some carnal behavior..... not ever.
Now, i dont call those "sin" because the born again is not under the law, so, the law can't define a carnal deed as a sin, unless it has dominion.
And because Christ is the "end of the Law for Righteousness, to everyone who believes", then that means the same deed that the Law defined as a sin, because the UNBELIEVER is under the law......... This same Law can't define that deed as a sin, if you are born again, and "not under the law, but under Grace".

And this teaching that is Paul's, makes a lot of people freak out, as they connect it incorrectly to : "teaching OSAS"..
But its not that at all. Its teaching that "where there is no law, there is no Transgression", and the born again are "not under the Law, but under Grace".

So, that is how we know that "if we say WE have no SIN, we deceive ourselves".... is not talking to anyone who is : "not under the LAW , but Under Grace"..


And notice this.. with regard to a born again person....

Paul says..."Use not your LIBERTY< for an occasion to the FLESH".

This means....>"now that you understand that you are not under the Law, and your sin is not counted against you.... 2nd Corinthians 5:19..... John 3:17...... Romans 4:8..... Then do not go and enjoy some carnal deed that you WANT TO DO.
Dont abuse the LIBERTY you have in Christ to go and be carnal... on purpose.

And Paul would not have given that instruction to the Born again, if they never wanted to go and enjoy some "FLESH".

Demas is an example of a carnal backslid believer.
Notice that Paul didnt say that "he was never one of us", as He said of others who left his ministry.

Demas was born again, he was a "brethren"..... and wanted to go back and enjoy the world., and did.
Probably, he liked to drink, he liked to chase women, and so forth, and wanted to go and have that....again.
He was probably a new convert, a young man.... and just didnt stay with the plan.
Hes not the last of that kind...

What happened to him, is not recorded, but, Paul tells us, that "if you continue in this behavior, you will die".

So, that's what happened to Demas.. He went to Heaven, "before his time"....