Taken
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I will not read or study for you.
Curious…who is MAKING you post on this forum, since you are without understanding you are exercising your FREEWILL TO speak what YOU will and post what YOU will.
What Satan Doesn't Want You to Know
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Curious…who is MAKING you post on this forum, since you are without understanding you are exercising your FREEWILL TO speak what YOU will and post what YOU will.
BlessedPeace
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I don't see you as understanding my questions. At worst you don't know the answers to them. And after you've made statements to that effect.
That's perfectly fine either way.
1stCenturyLady
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It may be close to sinning for someone with a sin nature, but is far from sinning for those who are used to living righteously.
Behold
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"Living Righteously".
You mean, trying to be like Christ?
= Useless, regarding being saved, or regarding going to Heaven.
We have to be "IN Christ" to be "made righteous"., and that is a work of the Holy Spirit.
Taken
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Your wondering and questions regarding Angel’s and Mankind’s FREEWILL are not a mystery.
Perhaps a study of Gods CREATIONS (which IS that which DID NOT exist was CAUSED to exist by, through, of Gods POWER AND Gods GRACE) would benefit you.
AND…Gods MAKING’S of His CREATION’S (which IS that which He CREATED, He THEN CAUSED such CREATION’S to HAVE “particular” attributes, by, through, of Gods GRACE and Gods POWER)…for such things benefit.
Angel’s were Created AND Made with an abundance of Gods Knowledge and Power to Righteously SERVE God, according to Gods WILL.
Mankind was Created AND Made with the Ability to Hear and Learn Gods Knowledge and a Promise of Gods abundant Power to Righteously SERVE God, according to Gods WILL.
An angel HAVING an abundance of Gods Power and Knowledge….
AND
A man HAVING the ability to hear and learn Gods Knowledge…
* DOES NOT MEAN ALL angels will USE their power and Knowledge TO SERVE GODS RIGHTEOUS WILL.
* DOES NOT MEAN ALL of mankind will USE their Knowledge TO SERVE GODS RIGHTEOUS WILL.
A study of Scripture should have REVEALED to you…
* A Plethora of angel’s FREELY CHOSE to NOT SERVE GODS RIGHTEOUS WILL. (And they fell away FROM Gods GRACE).
* A Plethora of mankind HAS CHOSEN and (by opening YOUR Eyes in OBSERVANCE and YOUR Ears in HEARING mankind CONTINUES to FREELY CHOSE to NOT SERVE GODS RIGHTEOUS WILL. (And tHEY ALSO are falling away FROM Gods GRACE).
You should have learned Gods OFFERINGS of His GRACE, His GIFTS, His BLESSINGS, His PROMISES….Hangs on the Balance of what an Individual angel himself AND an Individual man himself … FREELY CHOOSES.
You should have learned an individual angel himself AND an individual man himself IS exercising his OWN FREEWILL by, through, of his OWN CHOICES HE MAKES.
The LORD Himself Reveals mankind HAS FREEWILL, by, through, of the man’s OWN Choices.
Joshua 1:1 (The LORD Himself speaking TO Joshua).
Joshua 24:
“And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
IF you do not comprehend an angel, a man MAKING his OWN choices IS an angel, IS a man FREELY Exercising his OWN WILL…I am not accountable for your LACK of understanding.
Glory to God,
Taken
1stCenturyLady
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Behold, you know as well as I do that we MUST be born again of the Spirit, and that means we will be abiding IN Christ, and He will be living IN us. We cannot be righteous on our own without Christ because we will still have our sin nature. But Jesus cleanses our sin nature to a divine nature that naturally lives righteously. You know that so why are you arguing?
There is no scripture that says Jesus cleanses our sin nature. Paul struggled with his sin nature, Romans 7:7-25.
1stCenturyLady
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The sin nature is "the flesh." I think we already went over Romans 7 that you didn't start early enough. Read verse 5. "The flesh" is the sin nature. It is not the body because how can a Christian NOT be in their body if they are indwelt with the Spirit of God. Romans 8:9. 7:5 says WHEN we were in the flesh. That is past tense. What you are clinging to is Paul's description of the Jews under the law. That is the Old Covenant that had to be kept with their sin nature in tact. That is not a Christian according to Romans 8 that says, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death." Read the whole thing Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. (That means those who are in their sin nature cannot please God.)
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
The law of the Spirit of life in Christ is the Gospel. The Gospel is spiritual. In the Gospel Jesus in our name and on our behalf has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.
But wait. We are still here on this sinful planet in these sinful Adamic bodies that are prone to sin, waiting for the redemption of our bodies, Romans 8:23. I would like to be free from sin, but the "flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh so that I cannot do the things that I would, Galatians 5:17. So, like Paul I struggle with sin, Romans 7:14-25. We have not arrived yet. It appears to me that you are trying to bring the not yet into the now.
1stCenturyLady
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Romans 8:23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
The firstfruits of the Spirit is freedom from sin that came only through the Spirit. The body is controlled by our nature; it is a mindless puppet. Sin is generated from the mind and emotions which are our spirit and soul. That is why only they were born again of the Spirit to eradicate sin NOW! SIN in the reason Jesus came. SIN is the reason God gave the Jews the Ten Commandments to guard them until Jesus came to defeat the devil. The body didn't matter in that sense, so it can wait until it also dies and is resurrected like our new mind and heart to never deteriorate and be perfect forever.
Robert I see you are using Romans 7:14-25 again as if Paul was speaking of those struggles for himself as a Christian. NO! Again, start with verse 5. Why do you balk at the truth? Is it because Paul uses a present tense pronoun? So what! He did again in Romans 8:2 that shows that the Spirit FREED him from the struggles of Romans 7:14-25 and the sin nature that was controlling those under the LAW. Why is this so hard to grasp?
I went to church for 30 years and also sinned. I was trapped. But in 1977 I repented of that inability to keep the commandments, and all of a sudden I had an encounter with God. I first saw a vision, and God spoke 8 sentences to me. I also felt a heaviness leave my body - the sin in my nature. Afterwards I felt light as a feather and I had absolutely no desire to sin! Many Christians have never been born again of the Spirit. Work out you own salvation with fear an trembling.
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BlessedPeace
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There are no passages that tell us Jesus cleanses us of our sin nature? Passages that tell us we are washed clean and are reborn in Christ? After being born with a sinful nature, I'd think when we are born again, reborn in Christ, after God forgives our sins and will never hold them against us, that our sin nature is no more.
Do you know any passage that tells us Jesus does not cleanse us of our sin nature?
When you accepted Christ as your savior your old sinful Adamic nature did not disappear. It may have been subdued by your new nature, but not completely eradicated. Spiritually, we are as righteous as Christ. But we have not been completely sanctified yet. Christians are both sinners and saints at the same time. You are not being honest with yourself if you say that you have no sin, 1 John 1:8.
Paul did not teach a holiness theology. You still have a sin nature. If you say that you have no sin you are deceiving yourself, 1 John 1:8.
1stCenturyLady
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1 John 1:8 is BEFORE 1 John 1:9. To become a Christian you must confess your sin and be cleansed of all unrighteousness. Being a Jew doesn't mean you are going to heaven. See the word "say"? Chapter two makes it clearer. 1 John 2:3-4 3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Always read a whole book of the Bible in context instead of taking a verse out of context. You are believing a doctrine of demons that has been handed down for over a thousand years. It is not your fault, except that you didn't do further study to make yourself approved.
The sin nature is called "the old man." If you've been crucified with Christ, your sin nature to commit lawlessness (sins unto death) (1 John 3:4-5) is dead. Once we have a clean human nature again all we have left is our free will. This is when we keep ourselves away from temptations, because the other type of sin are sins NOT unto death caused by immature fruit of the Spirit. John 15:1-4. In both types of sin to keep ourselves pure and righteous we must ABIDE IN CHRIST. John 15:4; 1 John 3:24.
Romans 6
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.
Romans 8:2
Behold
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To be born again, is to be ""made righteous.""
There is no sin "IN Christ" where all the Born again, exist.
1stCenturyLady
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Exactly. We can't be righteous without the Spirit of Christ IN us. But it is not an invisible righteousness as some teach; we ARE righteous and live righteously naturally, with a clean nature. It isn't something we have to think about like rules. It is automatic. 1 John 3:7.
Behold
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Here is that verse explained by another verse..., so you can see it differently.
"We have cast out devils in your name"...
Who is that?
Those are disciples of Christ, who were following Jesus and imitating Jesus, or as you and Episkopos are explaining..."doing Righteousness" as in "works".. "Self effort'.
Here is what Jesus said to these who were "working righteousness"..
A.) = Jesus told them..>"Depart from me".
To where?
= Hell.
Why?
Because you can do works, and they are good works, but works do not count as Righteousness., because they are self effort. And Self Effort is just a work.
An Unbeliever can do the same works you do, and more... and they are just as Hell bound, while doing these works of righteousness as any God and Christ hating Atheist.
Why?
"Because it not by works of righteousness that we are saved, but according to God's Mercy" that we received "imputed righteousness" while we were yet a sinner.
= Born again.
What does that mean?
It means that we are Righteous, doing works or not, as we have received God's Righteousness, the INSTANT we were born again, having never done any good works, YET.
BlessedPeace
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Behold
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We can't SEE how God has caused the sinner to become the Righteousness of God in Christ.
We can't SEE a Spiritual BIRTH.
But you can witness their behavior, that should reflect, "spiritual fruit" that is cognizant of the New Birth.
Here is the issue tho, with "fruit inspection".
The DEVIL has read all those verses, so, He gets his people to FAKE FRUIT.
So, what a real believer has to do, is find out who is faking it..... and who is bearing it.
And the way you do that, is find out if the "christian" teaches that "Salvation can be lost".,
If they do that, then they are a FAKE Believer, or they are a "fallen from Grace" and deceived Christian.
See, no real Christian, is going to teach that Jesus who is Eternal Life, can be lost once He lives in the Born again, unless they are truly deceived.
But a heretic will teach that cross denying lie, and LOVE DOING IT, as it makes their flesh feel so carnal.
And when you teach that this eternal life (CHRIST in you)>.. can be lost then you are teaching that Eternal Life is not Eternal and instead... Salvation is based on continuing behavior.. and yet our Salvation was never given to us based on how we behave.
It was given to us based on the finished work of Jesus on the CROSS, by FAITH.
Its "Grace Through Faith" not... "do good works and be saved and stay saved".
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