Does Christian Universalism sidestep the justice of God?

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Is that the new math?
I thought infallible was 100 percent.
Besides, there are plenty of other problems.
As an atheist, they'll provide a whole long list of issues.
Have you seen this?

Did the Old Testament Conquest of Canaan Really Happen?

Archeological evidence shows that the Israelites’ destruction of Jericho and the other cities of the Promised Land was nothing more than propaganda.

www.thenotsoinnocentsabroad.com

it is also clear that you don't understand what the Infallibility of the 66 Books of the Holy Bible is!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Have you seen this?

not interested in human mumbo-jumbo!

NOTHING will EVER shake my faith in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible.

There are ZERO contradictions, and ZERO errors in the Original Autographs!

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Is that the new math?
I thought infallible was 100 percent.
Besides, there are plenty of other problems.
As an atheist, they'll provide a whole long list of issues.
Have you seen this?

Did the Old Testament Conquest of Canaan Really Happen?

Archeological evidence shows that the Israelites’ destruction of Jericho and the other cities of the Promised Land was nothing more than propaganda.

www.thenotsoinnocentsabroad.com

Why do you spend your time reading useless rubbish?

 

[St. SteVen]

Why do you spend your time reading useless rubbish?

You are right. I should probably put you on IGNORE.

Here you go. I know this has been a rough morning for you.

 

[St. SteVen]

NOTHING will EVER shake my faith in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible.

Why are there only 66 books?

2 Corinthians 3:2 NIV
You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone.

 

[Lambano]

Sigh.

ἀποκατάστασις ("apokatastasis"): Not derived from the Greek:

ἀπο ("apo"): "Away from"
κατά ("kata"): "According to, down from:"
στασις ("stasis"): "A riot"

A riot. Which is what this has turned into.

 

[St. SteVen]

not interested in human mumbo-jumbo!

Really?
Where did our Bible come from?

 

[St. SteVen]

A riot. Which is what this has turned into.

I hope you mean a laugh riot.
I'm in stitches, as the saying goes.
My opponent is quite the comedian.

 

[Lambano]

 

[St. SteVen]

NOTHING will EVER shake my faith in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible.

Sounds like the credo of Bibliolatry.
Shouldn't your faith be in God alone? No other gods before me?

 

[FaithWillDo]

How can God's justice be fulfilled in UR if everyone is saved in the end?

Is the wrath of God absent in Christian Universalism?

Let's discuss. Thanks.

You asked:
How can God's justice be fulfilled in UR if everyone is saved in the end?

God's justice is fulfilled by the destruction of mankind. Since all mankind has sinned, all mankind must die:

Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

And because mankind must die, scripture says that mankind is "condemned already":

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Because mankind was created spiritually marred (weak), we all very quickly from birth become carnally minded. Because of our carnal mindedness, mankind has no ability to seek out and understand God; and we certainly no ability to have any faith in Jesus Christ:

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Because all mankind utterly lost, the only way for a person to be saved is for Christ to make them into a new creation. This new creation is a child of God who is sinless and is governed by the Holy Spirit.

To accomplish this work of "conversion", the Father sent Christ into the world. When He has finished His work, all mankind will be made into "another vessel" which will never sin and is therefore, not condemned.

Jer 18:4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.

This is how God's justice is satisfied, while at the same time satisfying both "mercy and faith":

Mat 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Joe

 

[face2face]

Sigh.

ἀποκατάστασις ("apokatastasis"): Not derived from the Greek:

ἀπο ("apo"): "Away from"
κατά ("kata"): "According to, down from:"
στασις ("stasis"): "A riot"

A riot. Which is what this has turned into.

Only used once in the Bible and how much can they hang off one word!

“Necessity (anángkē) is laid upon me. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel!” (1 Cor. 9:16).

Why Paul?
Why is it a woe to you if you dont preach at all seeing all are saved?
The Word according to St. SteVen has decreed all things will be restored and all men, angels, devils will congregate in the KoG and share a meal together in peace and tranquility.

I wonder what Paul's response would be?

 

[face2face]

You are right. I should probably put you on IGNORE.

Here you go. I know this has been a rough morning for you.
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How many is that now? Quiet might be the last man standing lol.

 

[face2face]

Luke 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”

Why so, if all are saved?

 

[Patrick1966]

There are ZERO contradictions

Most English translations DO have contradictions due to erroneous translations, particularly, the King James Version.

 

[Patrick1966]

Luke 1:79 to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”

Why so, if all are saved?

It saddens me to say that most people are disinterested in God. We must be thankful that God allowed us to know the truth. We (you and I) should also avoid divisive bickering. :)

 

[Patrick1966]

You are right. I should probably put you on IGNORE.

Here you go. I know this has been a rough morning for you.
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You're taking after me. :)

 

[St. SteVen]

You're taking after me. :)

I thought you learned it from me, Grasshopper.

 

[Patrick1966]

In my experience, most of your older, hardcore, Christians are cemented to their theology and don't actually understand enough about the Bible or the doctrines taught in the Bible to be able to make a strong, biblical, argument. They are unmovable in the doctrines that they were taught and any attempt to demonstrate the error of their doctrine is perceived as a threat to indoctrinate them into believing heresies. Many won't even consider that their understanding is slightly off, even when shown the word of God. We had a guy join a few days ago and when challenged with the word of God (not mine, God's!), he told me I needed a new Bible and then he...

 

[Patrick1966]

I thought you learned it from me, Grasshopper.

No, I've been causing trouble for YEARS!