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There is not a single word of Scripture which tells us that James was a judiazer, of that he thought Gentiles needed to be circumcised. And the 4 commands were not a "parting shot", they were directed towards the sensitivities of the non-Christian Jews who held to the Law.

I don't know how you got the idea to lay this all at James' feet. It was the Jewish believers in Jerusalem who were zealous to keep the Law, which was prophesied in various places as part of the fulfillment of the New Covenant.

I'd be interested if instead of merely calling out some Scripture references, post the quotes which say what you are asserting. They are not there. I want to challenge you to examine this.

Much love!
We are in trouble-there are 4 major, different views on atonement-now the book of James under attack.
I have lost my "drive" to interact with members-off to gym.
J.
 

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There is not a single word of Scripture which tells us that James was a judiazer, of that he thought Gentiles needed to be circumcised. And the 4 commands were not a "parting shot", they were directed towards the sensitivities of the non-Christian Jews who held to the Law.

I don't know how you got the idea to lay this all at James' feet. It was the Jewish believers in Jerusalem who were zealous to keep the Law, which was prophesied in various places as part of the fulfillment of the New Covenant.

I'd be interested if instead of merely calling out some Scripture references, post the quotes which say what you are asserting. They are not there. I want to challenge you to examine this.

Much love!
The problem is , the man is not seeing something .
While it is true that very early on some of the jews DID THINK the gentiles were to keep and do certain things ,
ALSO REPENTED OF IT . the errors got corrected . And what this robert also does not see
IS that the letters in the canon were all true and applies to the beleiver .
I mean didnt peter err big time . Sure he did . When that certain came from james
he stopped eating with gentiles , fearing the circumcision . BUT THAT GOT CORRECTED by paul .
SO just cause peter made a serious mistake , does this now mean we DISREGAURD HIS LETTERS OF TRUTH .
NOPE . NOR DO we disregaurd the letter of james .
YOU SEE , IF ITS IN THE CANON that means ITS FOR THE CHURCH . but robert dont wanna see that
simple truth . The errors got exposed and corrected . IT shows us what the errors were
and how they got corrected . THUS every letter in that bible WILL INDEED show us TRUTH .
But men do as men do my friend . And men will sit under who so ever they desire to sit under .
BUT LAMBS , now lambs SIT UNDER JESUS CHRIST . AND IF OR WHEN one bringeth UNSOUND DOCTRINE
you can bet that lamb AINT GONNA BE FEASTING from that trough .
 
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We are in trouble-there are 4 major, different views on atonement-now the book of James under attack.
I have lost my "drive" to interact with members-off to gym.
J.
STOP Giving up my friend . THE ENEMY DOES all now to try and wear the saints out .
NO SIR . WE MAKE OUR STAND TO THE END . The blind are led by the blind
and cannot hear nor see . We make our stand now . There are still lambs here that desire truth .
We will not abandon those .
 

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We are in trouble-there are 4 major, different views on atonement-now the book of James under attack.
I have lost my "drive" to interact with members-off to gym.
J.
SPIDER WEB DOCTRINE has taken control of the lost . every web spun by men
and every web thinking it leadeth to the TRUTH .
But rest assured the webs of deception leads only to the SPIDER in the middle
who waits to catch the prey and devour them all .
WE make our stand now . Paul knew of the burden to care for the churches .
WE WILL be hated , we will be misunderstood , but we DO all for the sake of the others .
NOW ARMOUR UP my friend . This hour grows late
and more and more does the spider spin its many ways to the center . BUT ITS CENTER is naught but death and destruction .
We must do all to contend for the truth . some will hear , most will reject .
 
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If one is doing good works because Jesus commanded them to, they are doing it for the wrong reason.

Obedience is motivated by love, not laws and commandments. A good son does not need to be told to obey his father. A good son will obey his father because he loves him and would never do anything to shame him or disgrace him.
Remember . . . the good son is obeying his father, specifically, his father's commandments. We are not wrong to obey what He commands, because that obedience is from our love for Him, and for others.

If we love others, we will do what He commands.

Much love!
 

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John 14:31
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but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.

New Living Translation
but I will do what the Father requires of me, so that the world will know that I love the Father. Come, let’s be going.

English Standard Version
but I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.

Berean Standard Bible
But I do exactly what the Father has commanded Me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Get up! Let us go on from here.

Berean Literal Bible
But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father has commanded Me, thus I do. Rise up, let us go from here.

King James Bible
But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
 
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amigo de christo

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I'm sure you can "see" why James is NOT popular brother.
J.
Yeah and most who claim to follow paul and yet pit james and paul against each other , THEY dont even follow paul .
HOW Often did paul himself warn about WHO WE OBEY IS WHOSE we are .
They preach a doctrine and give pauls name to it . BUT ITS FALSE and paul himself would REBUKE THEM .
Just as many who think they follow jesus have no idea that THE JESUS CHRIST would be rebuking them too .
 
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Remember . . . the good son is obeying his father, specifically, his father's commandments. We are not wrong to obey what He commands, because that obedience is from our love for Him, and for others.

If we love others, we will do what He commands.

Much love!
That was the belief of the Pharisees. Obedience is not motivated by laws, rules or religion. It is motivated by love.
 
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John 14:31
Audio Crossref Comment Greek
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.

New Living Translation
but I will do what the Father requires of me, so that the world will know that I love the Father. Come, let’s be going.

English Standard Version
but I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here.

Berean Standard Bible
But I do exactly what the Father has commanded Me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Get up! Let us go on from here.

Berean Literal Bible
But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father has commanded Me, thus I do. Rise up, let us go from here.

King James Bible
But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.
If we love others we'll do what God tells us, because that's our best shot at actually doing good for others.

Much love!
 

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Certainly the only meaningful motivation is love!

Much love!
not if that love cometh of the world and of the dragon . And i see a love getting embraced
by a number so high even within christendom , THAT AINT COMING FROM GOD AT ALL .
Satan aint been sleeping mark . HE knows how to quoate things and to twist them .
 
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The law demands that we love our enemies and do good to those that persecute us.
JESUS taught that . but the question now is , what love are folks following .
IS a love that truly loves and truly desires none to perish , THUS IT WOULD CORRECT ANYTHING CONTRARY TO GOD
or , or is a love that simply allows sin , wont correct , wont rebuke , just accepts . cause THAT AINT LOVE BUD
and it sure aint coming FROM GOD EITHER .
Many today see the idea of love as being JUDGE NOT , and by that i mean they twist it out of text
to support an idea we ought not to correct brethren in sin and error . Their idea of what love is
not doing good to others . ITS SIMPLY allow those lost in sin to FEEL GOOD and FEEL ACCEPTED .
And that AINT LOVE . TIME to make BIBLICAL CORRECTION , GREAT AGAIN .
 
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amigo de christo

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If we love others we'll do what God tells us, because that's our best shot at actually doing good for others.

Much love!
SPOT ON RIGHT .
But then why do so many follow a god and claim What they are doing what GOD tells them
ONLY TO FIND OUT its contrary to the GOD , CHRIST of said bible .
You already know what that means . IT MEANS they are not HEARING FROM GOD .
Cause the last time i checked the HOLY SPIRIT would GLORIFY CHRIST , not man , not us , BUT JESUS CHRIST .
Any love that contradicts TRUTH . IT AINT LOVE and it aint coming from GOD , from CHRIST , from the SPIRIT .
OH its coming from another spirit , its coming of the world and of darkness of the world and its father is the devil .
And its high time folks WAKE UP to this simple fact and very fast too my friend .
If we LOVED GOD above ALL , CHRIST above all , WE LOVE THE TRUTH of HIS EVERY WORD . HE IS HIS WORD
HE IS TRUTH . any love that wont rejoice in TRUTH but rather twists it to serve and glorify man and sin , IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
 
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Any SPIRIT , any love , any word , any feeling , any thought
that is contrary to the SOUND DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST and all sound doctrinal truth , IT AINT COMING FROM GOD .
thus any love that says things like OH GODS LOVE IS BROAD and implies that other religoins are saved and fine as is
and have no dire need to repent and beleive on CHRIST , IT AINT LOVE its A LIE .
 
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amigo de christo

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The law demands that we love our enemies and do good to those that persecute us.
Yeah and it aint doing good to our enemies if we agree with their wicked ways either .
Doing good aint just about giving them physical needs , ITS ABOUT POINTING THEM TO JESUS CHRIST
with a dire sense they NEED TO REPENT and BELIEVE ON HIM and ON HE ALONE to be saved .
Budda and all the feeding of the poor WOULD SAVE NONE and condmens all . FOR THEY FOLLOW NOT CHRIST JESUS .
And let us remember something about CHRIST JESUS , HE aint the ministir of sin either .
YOU can rest assured that IF JESUS were here today , HE WOULD NOT BE HOLING UP THE RAINBOW FLAG
and hollering PAPA GOD IS LOVE . Folks need to get back in those bibles .
 
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Yeah and it aint doing good to our enemies if we agree with their wicked ways either .
Doing good aint just about giving them physical needs , ITS ABOUT POINTING THEM TO JESUS CHRIST
with a dire sense they NEED TO REPENT and BELIEVE ON HIM and ON HE ALONE to be saved .
Budda and all the feeding of the poor WOULD SAVE NONE and condmens all . FOR THEY FOLLOW NOT CHRIST JESUS .
And let us remember something about CHRIST JESUS , HE aint the ministir of sin either .
YOU can rest assured that IF JESUS were here today , HE WOULD NOT BE HOLING UP THE RAINBOW FLAG
and hollering PAPA GOD IS LOVE . Folks need to get back in those bibles .
I appreciate your enthusiasm. I wish that more people would get worked up about the lack of truth in the church.
 
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not if that love cometh of the world and of the dragon . And i see a love getting embraced
by a number so high even within christendom , THAT AINT COMING FROM GOD AT ALL .
Satan aint been sleeping mark . HE knows how to quoate things and to twist them .

We need to make a STAND for Christ-and do so NOW!
 
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@Robert Pate

If it is the Gospel plus something, then it is no longer the Gospel.

The Gospel Tells us what God in Christ has done to save sinners from their sins, and who those sinners are. Do you believe that Christs death, burial, and resurrection has successfully saved every sinner Christ substituted for, died for ? Yes or no sir.