The Gospel Plus Nothing

[Robert Pate]

@marks -a member here is trying to convince himself that James is not "inspired"
Your take?

My take is that many Christian scholars believe that the book of James should not have been included in the cannons.

1. The book of James was not directed to Gentile Christians, it was directed to law keeping Jews, James 1:1.

2. James sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 1:11-21.

3. James wanted to circumcise Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-21.

There is nothing in the book of James about being justified by faith apart from the works of the law. The book of James is very Jewish and not like Paul's epistles.

 

[Johann]

My take is that many Christian scholars believe that the book of James should not have been included in the cannons.

1. The book of James was not directed to Gentile Christians, it was directed to law keeping Jews, James 1:1.

2. James sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 1:11-21.

3. James wanted to circumcise Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-21.

There is nothing in the book of James about being justified by faith apart from the works of the law. The book of James is very Jewish and not like Paul's epistles.

Disagree entirely with your take.


Then we can safely say the book of Ephesians, Colossians etc. is not for "us"


Col 4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.
Col 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
Col 4:17 And say to Archippus, Take heed to the ministry which thou hast received in the Lord, that thou fulfil it.


This was the Danish existentialist, Soren Kierkegaard's favorite book in the New Testament because it emphasizes practical, daily Christianity.

This was Martin Luther's least favorite book in the New Testament because it seems to contradict Paul's "justification by faith" emphasis in Romans and Galatians (i.e., James 2:14-26).

This is a very different genre from other NT books
very much like a new covenant book of Proverbs (i.e., wisdom literature) spoken by a fiery prophet
written early after Jesus' death and still very Jewish and practical

Although James has a Jewish flavor, it is addressed to a Christian audience. This is confirmed by
the use of the term "brother" (cf. James 1:2,16,19; 2:1,5,14; 3:1,10,12; 4:11; 5:7,9,10,12,19)
the use of the term "Lord" (cf. James 1:1,7,12; 2:1; 4:10,15; 5:4,7,8,10,11,14,15)
the specific mention of faith in Christ (cf. James 2:1)
the expectation of Jesus' return (cf. James 5:8).

There are three possible interpretations of the phrase in James 1:1.
Jews—This seems improbable because of the recurrent use of "brethren," the lack of the major gospel truths about Jesus, as well as the specific mentioning of faith in Christ in James 2:1. Also, after the Babylonian Exile, many of the original twelve tribes never returned. The same metaphor is used symbolically of believers in Rev. 7:4-8.
Christian Jews—This seems to be the most likely because of the Jewish flavor of the book and the leadership position of James in the Jerusalem church.
The church as spiritual Israel—This is possible because of the use of "diaspora" in 1 Pet. 1:1 and Paul's allusion to the church (believing Jews and Gentiles ) as spiritual Israel (cf. Rom. 2:28-29; 4:16-25; Gal. 3:7,29; 6:16; 1 Pet. 2:5,9).

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[marks]

@marks -a member here is trying to convince himself that James is not "inspired"
Your take?

I certainly would not agree. I believe James is as much Bible as the rest. Is there some particular reason? Perhaps not being able to reconcile the passasges to other Scriptures?

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I certainly would not agree. I believe James is as much Bible as the rest. Is there some particular reason? Perhaps not being able to reconcile the passasges to other Scriptures?

Much love!

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Apparently-it has nothing to do with us Christians-but look here-



Although James has a Jewish flavor, it is addressed to a Christian audience. This is confirmed by
the use of the term "brother" (cf. James 1:2,16,19; 2:1,5,14; 3:1,10,12; 4:11; 5:7,9,10,12,19)
the use of the term "Lord" (cf. James 1:1,7,12; 2:1; 4:10,15; 5:4,7,8,10,11,14,15)
the specific mention of faith in Christ (cf. James 2:1)
the expectation of Jesus' return (cf. James 5:8).

There are three possible interpretations of the phrase in James 1:1.
Jews—This seems improbable because of the recurrent use of "brethren," the lack of the major gospel truths about Jesus, as well as the specific mentioning of faith in Christ in James 2:1. Also, after the Babylonian Exile, many of the original twelve tribes never returned. The same metaphor is used symbolically of believers in Rev. 7:4-8.
Christian Jews—This seems to be the most likely because of the Jewish flavor of the book and the leadership position of James in the Jerusalem church.
The church as spiritual Israel—This is possible because of the use of "diaspora" in 1 Pet. 1:1 and Paul's allusion to the church (believing Jews and Gentiles ) as spiritual Israel (cf. Rom. 2:28-29; 4:16-25; Gal. 3:7,29; 6:16; 1 Pet. 2:5,9).

James uses allusions to Jesus' words, found in the Synoptic Gospels, more than any other NT book.

James is reminiscent of the Sermon on the Mount.
JAMES SERMON ON THE MOUNT
James 1:2 Matt. 5:1-2
James 1:4 Matt. 5:48
James 1:5 Matt. 7:7 (21:26)
James 1:12 Matt. 5:3-11
James 1:20 Matt. 5:22
James 1:22-25 Matt. 7:24-27
James 2:5 Matt. 5:3 (25:34)
James 2:8 Matt. 5:43; 7:12
James 2:13 Matt. 5:7 (6:14-15; 18:32-35)
James 3:6 Matt. 5:22,29,30
James 3:12 Matt. 7:16
James 3:18 Matt. 5:9; 7:16-17
James 4:4 Matt. 6:24
James 4:11-12 Matt. 7:1
James 4:13 Matt. 6:34
James 5:2 Matt. 6:19-20
James 5:10-11 Matt. 5:12
James 5:12 Matt. 5:34-37
C. It is applied theology (faith without works is dead). Out of 108 verses, 54 are imperatives.



CANONIZATION

James' inclusion was late and difficult.
James was not in the canonical list from Rome about A.D. 200 called "Muratorian Fragment."
It was not in the canonical list from North Africa, A.D. 360, called "Cheltenham List" (also called Karl Mommsen's catalog).

It was not included in the Old Latin version of the NT.

Eusebius lists it as one of the disputed books (Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, II and 3 John, Jude, and Revelation), Hist. Eccl. II:23:24-24; III:25:3.

It was not received in the Western Church until the fourth century and was not documented in the Eastern Church until the revision of the Syriac translation of the fifth century called the Peshitta.


It was rejected by Theodore of Mopsuetia (a.d. 392-428), the leader of the Antiochean school of biblical interpretation (he rejected all of the catholic epistles).
Erasmas had doubts about it, as did Martin Luther, who called it a "strawy epistle" because he felt it contradicted Romans' and Galatians' emphases on "justification by faith."
Utley.

Shalom brother.

 

[marks]

My take is that many Christian scholars believe that the book of James should not have been included in the cannons.

1. The book of James was not directed to Gentile Christians, it was directed to law keeping Jews, James 1:1.

It was written to the Jews, in fact, so it's no surprise to me that there is a very Jewishness to it.

2. James sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 1:11-21.

Are you sure you have the right passage?

Galatians 1:11-21
(11) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
(12) For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
(13) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
(14) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
(15) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
(16) To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
(17) Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
(18) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
(19) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
(20) Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
(21) Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;

I think you may mean chapter 2? In any case, I don't see a place that tells us,

2. James sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 1:11-21.

Could you post that particular verse?

3. James wanted to circumcise Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-21.

Actually it was some of the Pharisees.

Acts 15:1-21
(1) And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
(2) When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
(3) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
(4) And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
(5) But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
(6) And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
(7) And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(8) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
(9) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
(10) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(11) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
(12) Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
(13) And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
(14) Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
(15) And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
(16) After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
(17) That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
(18) Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
(19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
(20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
(21) For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

There is nothing in the book of James about being justified by faith apart from the works of the law. The book of James is very Jewish and not like Paul's epistles.

Actually, James is defining saving faith as faith that produces works, so I don't see the disagreement with Paul. He still bases salvation on faith, only a certain kind of faith.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

It was written to the Jews, in fact, so it's no surprise to me that there is a very Jewishness to it.

Are you sure you have the right passage?

Galatians 1:11-21
(11) But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
(12) For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
(13) For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
(14) And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
(15) But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
(16) To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
(17) Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
(18) Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
(19) But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.
(20) Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.
(21) Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia;

I think you may mean chapter 2? In any case, I don't see a place that tells us,

2. James sent men to spy on Peter and Barnabas to see if they were eating with Gentiles, Galatians 1:11-21.

Could you post that particular verse?


Actually it was some of the Pharisees.

Acts 15:1-21
(1) And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
(2) When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
(3) And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
(4) And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
(5) But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
(6) And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
(7) And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
(8) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
(9) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
(10) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
(11) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
(12) Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
(13) And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
(14) Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
(15) And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
(16) After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
(17) That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
(18) Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
(19) Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
(20) But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
(21) For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.


Actually, James is defining saving faith as faith that produces works, so I don't see the disagreement with Paul. He still bases salvation on faith, only a certain kind of faith.

Much love!

Ditto!

 

[amigo de christo]

I certainly would not agree. I believe James is as much Bible as the rest. Is there some particular reason? Perhaps not being able to reconcile the passasges to other Scriptures?

Much love!

Yes it is my friend . Every word is good for our souls .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have some advice for you Amigo, if you think Pope Francis is a liar, then don't follow him.

I know that we will be held accountable for any harsh and unkind words about others spoken publicly in the judgment unless repented of. I'll pray for you amigo. You aren't speaking well of Francis as a person.

I would be more concerned about the effect of the liberals and democrats on the US population and children. Hmmm, lost the real issue?

I speak of the dangers of that man . as well as others .
Warning against the dangers of a person is not a sin .
Sure i wish he and many others would repent , as i desire the death of none .
But till he do or they do they must be warned against as people not to follow but to flee far from .
Be encouraged devin .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ditto!

Every letter of every apostel worketh much good to the soul of the hearer and the doer .
We ought to embrace all of it . As i am sure you do agree my friend .
James did not contradict paul , paul did not contradict james . Not one apostels letter contradicts anothers letter .
IT FLOWS BEAUTIFULLY as one word , TRUTH . its the TRUTH . And let all who name the name of Christ
feast upon all that was left to us in the lovely bible . It is good and worketh good unto the lambs of Christ .

 

[Robert Pate]

Every letter of every apostel worketh much good to the soul of the hearer and the doer .
We ought to embrace all of it . As i am sure you do agree my friend .
James did not contradict paul , paul did not contradict james . Not one apostels letter contradicts anothers letter .
IT FLOWS BEAUTIFULLY as one word , TRUTH . its the TRUTH . And let all who name the name of Christ
feast upon all that was left to us in the lovely bible . It is good and worketh good unto the lambs of Christ .

James was the head of the church in Jerusalem. There were many Judaizers in the early church, James was one of them. A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must keep the law of Moses, there are many Judaizers on this Forum.

Under the New Covenant the law of Moses has been abolished, Hebrews 8:7-13. God's people no longer live by laws, rules or religion, instead they live by faith in Christ and his Gospel, Romans 1:17. In the Gospel, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Paul and Barnabas contended with James and the Judaizer concerning the circumcision of Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-10. They finally came to an agreement with James and the other Judaizers, Acts 15:13-19.

James renders a decision Acts 15:19-21. But lays a little law on them as a departing shot, Acts 15:20-21.

 

[amigo de christo]

James was the head of the church in Jerusalem. There were many Judaizers in the early church, James was one of them. A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must keep the law of Moses, there are many Judaizers on this Forum.

Under the New Covenant the law of Moses has been abolished, Hebrews 8:7-13. God's people no longer live by laws, rules or religion, instead they live by faith in Christ and his Gospel, Romans 1:17. In the Gospel, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Paul and Barnabas contended with James and the Judaizer concerning the circumcision of Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-10. They finally came to an agreement with James and the other Judaizers, Acts 15:13-19.

James renders a decision Acts 15:19-21. But lays a little law on them as a departing shot, Acts 15:20-21.

This cometh of men . Lambs wont heed it my friend .
The letter of james is good for the lambs , as is and as are ALL them letters . And every word in them applies to the lambs .
Lambs dont pick and choose biblical doctrine . Lambs loveth all things JESUS taught and later them apostels taught .
You be blessed now , ya hear .

 

[amigo de christo]

James was the head of the church in Jerusalem. There were many Judaizers in the early church, James was one of them. A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must keep the law of Moses, there are many Judaizers on this Forum.

Under the New Covenant the law of Moses has been abolished, Hebrews 8:7-13. God's people no longer live by laws, rules or religion, instead they live by faith in Christ and his Gospel, Romans 1:17. In the Gospel, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Paul and Barnabas contended with James and the Judaizer concerning the circumcision of Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-10. They finally came to an agreement with James and the other Judaizers, Acts 15:13-19.

James renders a decision Acts 15:19-21. But lays a little law on them as a departing shot, Acts 15:20-21.

If its a letter in the new testament , It appliesto the lambs .
I mean peter messed up big time with barnabas . Does that now mean we can exclude his letters too .
Exactly . James and others got corrected .
Whether or not it was the same james that wrote that letter . The LETTER stands . as does and do the letters of peter .
SEE , if its in the bible , THEN it applies to the lambs . See how easy that is .

 

[Robert Pate]

If its a letter in the new testament , It appliesto the lambs .
I mean peter messed up big time with barnabas . Does that now mean we can exclude his letters too .
Exactly . James and others got corrected .
Whether or not it was the same james that wrote that letter . The LETTER stands . as does and do the letters of peter .
SEE , if its in the bible , THEN it applies to the lambs . See how easy that is .

There is no doctrine in the book of James like there is in Paul's epistles. The Bible is an honest book it does not hide the sins and the mistakes of God's people. I am sure that James came into to a full understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith at a later date.

 

[amigo de christo]

There is no doctrine in the book of James like there is in Paul's epistles. The Bible is an honest book it does not hide the sins and the mistakes of God's people. I am sure that James came into to a full understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith at a later date.

Oh but there is my friend .
Sit back and enjoy this my friend .
James talks about how ones faith is DEAD if they have not works .
Let us see what paul says .
IF one provides not for his own , specially for those of his own household , HE has DENIED THE FAITH
JESUS had spoken about taking care of the poor . See if one is not a doer , ONE HAS NO FAITH , has DENIED the FAITH
Hope that helps .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is no doctrine in the book of James like there is in Paul's epistles. The Bible is an honest book it does not hide the sins and the mistakes of God's people. I am sure that James came into to a full understanding of the Gospel and justification by faith at a later date.

James was simply saying as would have paul , HEY if its lip service , ITS DEAD FAITH , one has decieved themselves .
James was addressing this quite well my friend .
FOR JESUS himself had said , WHY do you call me LORD and yet DO NOT the things that i command .
JESUS had went farther to say a man who comes to me and DOES NOT MY sayings
has NO FOUNDATION . THEY be decieving themselves . Hope that helps

 

[Johann]

James was simply saying as would have paul , HEY if its lip service , ITS DEAD FAITH , one has decieved themselves .
James was addressing this quite well my friend .
FOR JESUS himself had said , WHY do you call me LORD and yet DO NOT the things that i command .
JESUS had went farther to say a man who comes to me and DOES NOT MY sayings
has NO FOUNDATION . THEY be decieving themselves . Hope that helps

I'm sure you can "see" why James is NOT popular brother.
J.

 

[Robert Pate]

James was simply saying as would have paul , HEY if its lip service , ITS DEAD FAITH , one has decieved themselves .
James was addressing this quite well my friend .
FOR JESUS himself had said , WHY do you call me LORD and yet DO NOT the things that i command .
JESUS had went farther to say a man who comes to me and DOES NOT MY sayings
has NO FOUNDATION . THEY be decieving themselves . Hope that helps

If one is doing good works because Jesus commanded them to, they are doing it for the wrong reason.

Obedience is motivated by love, not laws and commandments. A good son does not need to be told to obey his father. A good son will obey his father because he loves him and would never do anything to shame him or disgrace him.

 

[marks]

James was the head of the church in Jerusalem. There were many Judaizers in the early church, James was one of them. A Judaizer is one that believes in Jesus, but also believes that you must keep the law of Moses, there are many Judaizers on this Forum.

Under the New Covenant the law of Moses has been abolished, Hebrews 8:7-13. God's people no longer live by laws, rules or religion, instead they live by faith in Christ and his Gospel, Romans 1:17. In the Gospel, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness for those that believe" Romans 10:4.

Paul and Barnabas contended with James and the Judaizer concerning the circumcision of Gentile believers, Acts 15:1-10. They finally came to an agreement with James and the other Judaizers, Acts 15:13-19.

James renders a decision Acts 15:19-21. But lays a little law on them as a departing shot, Acts 15:20-21.

There is not a single word of Scripture which tells us that James was a judiazer, of that he thought Gentiles needed to be circumcised. And the 4 commands were not a "parting shot", they were directed towards the sensitivities of the non-Christian Jews who held to the Law.

I don't know how you got the idea to lay this all at James' feet. It was the Jewish believers in Jerusalem who were zealous to keep the Law, which was prophesied in various places as part of the fulfillment of the New Covenant.

I'd be interested if instead of merely calling out some Scripture references, post the quotes which say what you are asserting. They are not there. I want to challenge you to examine this.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm sure you can "see" why James is NOT popular brother.
J.

Oh my dear friend , by grace i have known for years why many pit apostle against apostel .
its the same folks who also say , Oh some of JESUS teachings were for that generation ONLY .
FOLKS gonna sit under the jesus they desire . Please understand why i bodly refused to captilize that jesus .
MEN do as men do . Lambs , DO AS GOD SAID AS JESUS SAID and they embrace EVERY WORD of every letter
written by every single apostel in that bible . Folks wanna kick james out , cause folks like the idea
of mens doctrinal teachings . SOOTHING to the ears of many the doctrines of men are .
THERE is no such thing as PUALINE GOSPEL anymore than This idea there were two gospels preached one to jews one to gentiles .
ITS all bankrupt . THERE WAS and IS ONLY ONE GOSPEL , ONE TRUTH . And every singel apostel KNEW THAT TRUTH .
But men love what tickles the ear . Lambs however loveth TRUTH and ER WORD OF IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

If one is doing good works because Jesus commanded them to, they are doing it for the wrong reason.

Obedience is motivated by love, not laws and commandments. A good son does not need to be told to obey his father. A good son will obey his father because he loves him and would never do anything to shame him or disgrace him.

Rather odd that todays love has nothing to do with TRUE OBEDIANCE . but you GO and learn what that means .
You sat under men . WRONG men too . any man that can pit the letters of any apostel against the letter of another apostle
does do for one reason . THEY DONT LIKE something . THEY DESIRE nothing to do with it . KNOW what i mean my friend .
Rather odd GOD TOLD HIS OWN TO OBEY HIM and REMINDED THEM TO OBEY HIM . JESUS TOLD HIS OWN to OBEY HIM
and reminded them to obey HIM . THE other apostels DID the same .
YET today if anyone dares to stand up and try and correct , or dares to be grave , or even serious or sincere ,
SOMEHOW that one aint operating in love . GOD IS LOVE , JESUS IS LOVE , HOW often GOD warned .
How often JESUS who is the WORD of GOD and GOD IS HIS WORD also warned .
HOW ODD it is today that most folks despise warnings and reminders , , , . and all they holler is love love love .. I smell a rancid stink in much doctrines today .
And as i said earlier . How come todays love seems to overlook errors within the church
and how come todays love seems to say , HEY DONT WARN , DONT REMIND ,
CAUSE GOD WHO IS LOVE SURE DID WARN . HE sure did say what would occur to the DIS OBEDIANT as well .
Wanna know why . GOD CAUSE IS LOVE and desires the death of none but rather they would OBEY HIM
and LIVE . OBEY THE SON and LIVE .