Everyone Goes to Heaven

[Jack]

1 Corinthians 15:22 "In Christ shall all be made alive"

No longer will there be any death. No more suffering, for anyone. Everyone will have happiness in Heaven be believing in Christ! God is not a liar, therefore, this will come true!

Luke 19:10: "For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."

Everyone in the world is lost, for we have all sinned against God. But God specifically save Jesus Christ to save all of us who are lost, which is the whole world.

Luke 15:4: "What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it?"

This is absolute assurance that God will save everyone. Even if one person is viewed by the world as extremely evil, God does not discriminate. We have all sinned and therefore God sees us all as sinners. Thus, God will save everyone.

Really BAD news for LGBTQ's

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

I think Harold is LGBTQ.

 

[Johann]

I think Harold is LGBTQ.

This is a serious accusation-online-do you have any verifiable proof of your statement?
J.

 

[Jack]

This is a serious accusation-online-do you have any verifiable proof of your statement?
J.

"I am LGBTQ+ affirming and support them..."

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Everyone Goes to Heaven

Satan LOVES Universalism! He wants our company in Hell.

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Johann]

"I am LGBTQ+ affirming and support them..."

Post 508

Everyone Goes to Heaven

Satan LOVES Universalism! He wants our company in Hell.

www.christianityboard.com

Thanks-so this is being allowed-online-on Christian Forums?

 

[Jack]

Thanks-so this is being allowed-online-on Christian Forums?

No surprise. Some here believe that everyone will be saved, even Satan! Satan's ministers are BUSY!!! I doubt if most Christians even know this is in the Bible.

2 Corinthians 11
14 Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness,

 

[Johann]

No surprise. Some here believe that everyone will be saved, even Satan!

I was away for a while-and this topic should be banned-Universalism-and the banned topic-The Triune Godhead linked indissolubly with the death and resurrection of our Lord Christ Jesus-should be reconsidered and opened-and remain opened.

But I suspect there will be consequences for me insisting the Triune Godhead be reopened.
Cognate with Theos , there are three other words to be noted :
1. Theotes , rendered "Deity", and used of Christ. Occurs only in Col_2:9, and has relation to the Godhead personally ; while

2. Theiotes , rendered "Deity" also, is Deity in the abstract . Occurs only in Rom_1:20.

3. Theios , rendered "Divine", and is used of Christ. Occurs only in 2Pe_1:3; 2Pe_1:4; and, with the Article, in Act_17:29, where it is rendered "Godhead". Gr. = that which [is] Divine.


II. I AM.
Used by Christ of Himself, in Joh_8:58. See note on Exo_3:14.

Shalom Achi.
J.

 

[Jack]

I kind of like opposition to our Bible. It makes us STUDY God's Word. We might pull some 'Christians' out of the fire.

2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Jack]

Why would infernalists want people to burn?

Why would you want to make false accusations?

That's why Strong's Concordance uses the term "trials". They also use "eternal fire", which more accrutally should be

עוֹלָֽם׃ olam fire, directly connected to punishment of αἰώνιον aionion fire.

You're saying all of our Bibles are wrong and you're right. How are you qualified to do that?

Therefore, the only reason infernalist would have to want people to burn in the LoF would be for punishment. For the betterment of those who burn. This leads to the natural conclusion of God needing to have each burning person reach a better state. Without this, there is literally no correction.

You're about as wrong as you could be.

Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

What is this better state? It is where one is a believer in Christ.

This furnace of affliction is like brushing your teeth. How long will the toothpaste, the toothbrush, be in your mouth, for how many aions, olams? Until all the dirt, the sins, are removed, only possible by faith alone in Christ. Therefore, as God's fire is all-consumming, all must become believers in Christ.

Should we believe you or Jesus?

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life."

Same Greek word.

 

[Jack]

So Jack, you are correct in saying that they are the same Greek word. However, the definition tells us that it cannot mean endless but rather that which has an end

Here's a good resource on this topic

Aion and Aionios: Excerpt from "Christ Triumphant"

An excerpt from Thomas Allin's "Christ Triumphant" on the Greek words Aion and Aionios.

www.tentmaker.org

quote: "for aion means "an age," a limited period, whether long or short,"

You just shot down eternal life.

 

[Jack]

Hi Jack,

This argument can essentially apply to any sort of concept that you personally interpret as belonging to Satan and is not an argument towards Christian Universalism specifically. A Chrisitan Universalist could essentially use that exact same verse in regards to ECT and it would be the same, so it's essentially a non-statement. God bless!

The difference is that the Bible says you're wrong. And you're not a Greek expert so stop trying to rewrite our Bible.

 

[Hobie]

Hi everyone. I hope this is the right place to post about it! I imagine talking about this belief can be controversial, so I have put it under the Unorthodox Doctrine Forum. Please let me know if this is the appropriate place to discuss this or if this is allowed to be discussed. Thank you kindly.

Anyways, let me introduce myself, since this is my first post here. Hi, my name is Harold Samson. On other forums I got by the names Harold Samsong, HSong, or just simply Song.

My beliefs that are relevant to this discussion are as follows:
-> Everyone goes to Heaven.
-> Specifically, everyone will be saved through Jesus Christ.
-> Salvation is through faith alone in Jesus Christ, not of works.
-> Once saved, always saved. You cannot lose your salvation.
and other basic tenants

If you need any more clarification, I will be more than happy to provide.

Now, here's the part where I provide Bible verses to support this position.

1 Timothy 4:10 Jesus Christ, the savior of all men, especially those who believe.​

Some believers may wonder what the point of believing is if God will save everyone. But, the way I see it, believing in Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation, meaning that everyone will eventually believe that God is Jesus Christ. So for us believers, we believe in God in advance, having learned the truth out of grace, and doing good because of our love for Christ!

1 John 3:5: "You know that He [Jesus] appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin."

There is no sin in God, God’s existence cannot allow sin. Therefore, God will go to each person in the world and use Jesus Christ as the cover for those sins, allowing everyone to be saved through Him.

Genesis 12:3 In you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Everyone will receive God’s blessing of salvation! All families of the Earth means everyone, as everyone comes from the original family, are original descendants, of Adam and Eve.

Psalm NIV 118:1 Give thanks to the Lord, for He is good; His love endures forever.

God’s love for all the people on Earth will never end, all will be saved.

1 Corinthians 15:55: "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"

God will not let death win! In the coming age, there will be no more death, no more suffering, for anyone. Because God will save everyone!

I will leave it at those 5 for now, though I have plenty more than I can reference.

If you agree or disagree with these beliefs, then feel free to let me know why. I'm always curious and interested to know your reasons. I encourage an open discussion on all fronts.

Thank you all for reading this and I hope everyone has a wonderful day! :)

I think Christ is clear what will happen to the unrepented sinners...

Matthew 3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Matthew 13:40-51
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

 

[Johann]

-> Everyone goes to Heaven.

Wrong-

The prolific author and Eastern orthodox theologian David Bentley Hart has just released a new book that covers a very old topic: Universalism, or the belief that all creatures will definitely be saved.

In his new book That All Shall Be Saved: Heaven, Hell, and Universal Salvation, Hart argues that eventually all people (which may include fallen angels, though Hart doesn’t explicitly come out and say it) will spend eternity with God in heaven. That’s because an eternal hell is supposedly so unjust that if it were an essential part of Christian doctrine it would be (in Hart’s words) “proof that Christianity should be dismissed as a self-evidently morally obtuse and logically incoherent faith.” (As an aside, my colleague Karlo Broussard has done some great work showing hell is not unjust.)

The possibility that hell is empty is not a twenty-first century novelty. In the third century, the ecclesial writer Origen argued for apokatastasis, or a “restoration” that would unite all things, including unrepentant sinners, to God. This would seem to rule out the possibility that anyone would spend an eternity in hell, though modern commenters are divided over the implications of Origen’s theology on this question. According to Bible scholar Richard Bauckham:

Until the nineteenth century almost all Christian theologians taught the reality of eternal torment in hell. Here and there, outside the theological mainstream, were some who believed that the wicked would be finally annihilated. . . . Even fewer were the advocates of universal salvation . . . though these few included some major theologians of the early church.


The Catholic Church condemned universalism at the regional council of Orange in 543, though a few theologians still held out hope for all creatures to be saved. This uniformity of thought began to change, however, with the rise of denominations like the Universalist Church of America (which exists today under the name Unitarian Universalism).

Most Christian universalists like Hart agree that hell is real and even believe that some or many people will go there. But from their perspective hell is a temporary “purgatory-like” condition and the Bible’s references to it being “eternal” only mean hell is a temporary punishment that the damned face in “the age to come” because the Greek word for eternity (aionion) can also mean “age” (Hart even refers to hell as “the purifying flames of the Age to come”).

As I’ve shown in my engagements with others who dispute the eternal aspect of hell, the endless nature of hell is quite obvious from the biblical texts. Given the strength of the Catholic Church’s case, universalists can’t just claim that the punishments of hell might not be permanent. To be convincing, they need to show positive evidence that all people will eventually be saved. When it comes to providing positive evidence, universalists usually cite biblical passages that, from their perspective, describe God effecting the salvation of every single person.

Hart seems puzzled, though, that these passages were not given more attention by theologians throughout the Church’s history, noting “how odd it is that for at least fifteen centuries such passages have been all but lost behind a veil as thin as the one that can be woven from those three or four deeply ambiguous verses that seem (and only seem) to threaten eternal torments for the wicked.”

But perhaps that’s because these passages don’t teach that everyone will be saved. Instead, they express the hope that anyone can be saved.

In 1 Timothy 2:4, for example, St. Paul says that God “desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.” But God also desires that we not sin, and yet we still do. God desires the good for all of his creatures, but because he has also given human beings and angels the gift of free will, it follows that God will allow us to enjoy or suffer the consequence of this good gift, even if it means eternal separation from him.

Although Hart admits he doesn’t like “reducing biblical theology to concentrated distillates (prooftexts)” he proceeds to do just that by listing nearly a dozen verses, including their original Greek and Hart’s own rendering of them from his own strange, overly-literal translation of the Bible. Unfortunately, his translation doesn’t offer much in terms of exegesis or understanding of these crucial texts.

For example, in 1 Corinthians 15:22 Paul says, “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive,” but this doesn’t mean that through Christ all people shall be brought to eternal life. What it means is that all who are “in Christ” (a phrase Paul often uses for the saved or elect) shall be brought to eternal life. This logic also explains Romans 5:18, wherein Paul says, “As one man’s trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man’s act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men.”

This refers to life for all believers, or those who are in Christ. We know this because in the previous verse Paul says, “If, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.” This is talking about the salvation of all believers, not the salvation of all people. Jesus himself says that he will “draw all men to himself” (John 12:32), but that doesn’t mean that people can’t reject him even after being so drawn. In this passage Jesus also foreshadows his own crucifixion, which may mean that all people will have their sins atoned for on the cross but the grace that Christ accrues for them may not be applied to their souls if they choose to reject it.

In other words, Christ draws all men to himself and he died for every single person, offering them the gift of eternal life. But each person still has a choice, and some people will tragically refuse to accept Christ’s mercy and salvation. That is why the Church prays for the soul of anyone who has perished: because God is “not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance” (2 Pet. 3:9).

If Hart’s universalism is true, then those who reject the gospel would cease to be “the lost” Jesus came to save (Luke 19:10) and become instead “the delayed,” who just have to wait a little longer for the heavenly rewards they rejected in life.

The evangelist who foolishly thinks universalism will make it easier to preach the gospel will see that without the “bad news” the “good news” isn’t taken seriously. On this view, Christianity becomes a faith that seeks to merely make “heaven on earth,” and by that point it’s nothing more than secular humanism playing dress-up on Sundays.

Contrary to Hart’s assertion, it is not the presence of hell that makes Christianity a “morally obtuse and logically incoherent faith”— it is its absence.

do-all-people-go-to-heaven

yes?
J.

 

[Jack]

Since Harold is LGBTQ, he avoids Scripture like PLAGUE!

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Johann]

Since Harold is LGBTQ, he avoids Scripture like PLAGUE!

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

1 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:9 not inherit the kingdom. The kingdom is the spiritual sphere of salvation where God rules as king over all who belong to him by faith (see notes on Matt. 5:3, 10).

All believers are in that spiritual kingdom, yet are waiting to enter into the full inheritance of it in the age to come. People who are characterized by these iniquities are not saved (1 Cor. 6:10).

See notes on 1 John 3:9–10. While believers can and do commit these sins, they do not characterize them as an unbroken life pattern. When they do, it demonstrates that the person is not in God’s kingdom.

True believers who do sin, resent that sin and seek to gain the victory over it (cf. Rom. 7:14–25). sexually immoral. All who indulge in sexual immorality, but particularly unmarried persons. idolaters. Those who worship any false god or follow any false religious system. adulterers. Married persons who indulge in sexual acts outside their marriage. men who practice homosexuality. As the esv footnote indicates, these two terms in Greek refer to those who exchange and corrupt normal male-female sexual roles and relations. Transvestism, sex changes, and other gender perversions are included (cf. Gen. 1:27; Deut. 22:5). Those whom some translations refer to as “sodomites” or “effeminate” are so-called because the sin of male-male sex dominated the city of Sodom (Gen. 18:20; 19:4–5). This sinful perversion is condemned always, in any form, by Scripture (cf. Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Rom. 1:26–27; 1 Tim. 1:10).

1 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:10 thieves . . . greedy. Both are guilty of the same basic sin of covetousness. Those who are greedy desire what belongs to others; thieves actually take it. revilers. People who try to destroy others with words. swindlers. Extortioners and embezzlers who steal indirectly, taking unfair advantage of others for their own financial gain.

1 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:11 some of you. Though not all Christians have been guilty of all those particular sins, every Christian is equally an ex-sinner, since Christ came to save sinners (cf. Matt. 9:13; Rom. 5:20). Some who used to have those patterns of sinful life were falling into those old sins again, and needed reminding that if they went all the way back to live as they used to, they were not going to inherit eternal salvation, because it would indicate that they never were saved (cf. 2 Cor. 5:17). washed. Refers to new life, through spiritual cleansing and regeneration (cf. John 3:3–8; 2 Cor. 5:17; Eph. 2:10; Titus 3:5). sanctified. This results in new behavior, which a transformed life always produces. Sin’s total domination is broken and replaced by a new pattern of obedience and holiness. Though not perfection, this is a new direction (see Rom. 6:17–18, 22). justified. This refers to a new standing before God, in which the Christian is clothed in Christ’s righteousness. In his death, the believer’s sins were put to his account and he suffered for them, so that his righteousness might be put to an account, so that we might be blessed for it (Rom. 3:26; 4:22–25; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:8–9; 1 Pet. 3:18). by the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the agent of salvation’s transformation (cf. John 3:3–5).

MacArthur

 

[Johann]

1 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:9 not inherit the kingdom. The kingdom is the spiritual sphere of salvation where God rules as king over all who belong to him by faith (see notes on Matt. 5:3, 10).

All believers are in that spiritual kingdom, yet are waiting to enter into the full inheritance of it in the age to come. People who are characterized by these iniquities are not saved (1 Cor. 6:10).

See notes on 1 John 3:9–10. While believers can and do commit these sins, they do not characterize them as an unbroken life pattern. When they do, it demonstrates that the person is not in God’s kingdom.

True believers who do sin, resent that sin and seek to gain the victory over it (cf. Rom. 7:14–25). sexually immoral. All who indulge in sexual immorality, but particularly unmarried persons. idolaters. Those who worship any false god or follow any false religious system. adulterers. Married persons who indulge in sexual acts outside their marriage. men who practice homosexuality. As the esv footnote indicates, these two terms in Greek refer to those who exchange and corrupt normal male-female sexual roles and relations. Transvestism, sex changes, and other gender perversions are included (cf. Gen. 1:27; Deut. 22:5). Those whom some translations refer to as “sodomites” or “effeminate” are so-called because the sin of male-male sex dominated the city of Sodom (Gen. 18:20; 19:4–5). This sinful perversion is condemned always, in any form, by Scripture (cf. Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Rom. 1:26–27; 1 Tim. 1:10).

1 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:10 thieves . . . greedy. Both are guilty of the same basic sin of covetousness. Those who are greedy desire what belongs to others; thieves actually take it. revilers. People who try to destroy others with words. swindlers. Extortioners and embezzlers who steal indirectly, taking unfair advantage of others for their own financial gain.

1 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:11 some of you. Though not all Christians have been guilty of all those particular sins, every Christian is equally an ex-sinner, since Christ came to save sinners (cf. Matt. 9:13; Rom. 5:20). Some who used to have those patterns of sinful life were falling into those old sins again, and needed reminding that if they went all the way back to live as they used to, they were not going to inherit eternal salvation, because it would indicate that they never were saved (cf. 2 Cor. 5:17). washed. Refers to new life, through spiritual cleansing and regeneration (cf. John 3:3–8; 2 Cor. 5:17; Eph. 2:10; Titus 3:5). sanctified. This results in new behavior, which a transformed life always produces. Sin’s total domination is broken and replaced by a new pattern of obedience and holiness. Though not perfection, this is a new direction (see Rom. 6:17–18, 22). justified. This refers to a new standing before God, in which the Christian is clothed in Christ’s righteousness. In his death, the believer’s sins were put to his account and he suffered for them, so that his righteousness might be put to an account, so that we might be blessed for it (Rom. 3:26; 4:22–25; 2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:8–9; 1 Pet. 3:18). by the Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the agent of salvation’s transformation (cf. John 3:3–5).

MacArthur

2 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:14 not be unequally yoked. An illustration taken from OT prohibitions to Israel regarding the work-related joining together of two different kinds of livestock (see note on Deut. 22:10).

By this analogy, Paul taught that it is not right to join together in common spiritual enterprise with those who are not of the same nature (unbelievers).

It is impossible under such an arrangement for things to be done to God’s glory. with unbelievers.

Christians are not to be bound together with non-Christians in any spiritual enterprise or relationship that would be detrimental to the Christian’s testimony within the body of Christ (see notes on 1 Cor. 5:9–13; cf. 1 Cor. 6:15–18; 10:7–21; James 4:4; 1 John 2:15).

This was especially important for the Corinthians because of the threats from the false teachers and the surrounding pagan idolatry. But this command does not mean believers should end all associations with unbelievers; that would defy the purpose for which God saved believers and left them on earth (cf. Matt. 28:19–20; 1 Cor. 9:19–23). The implausibility of such religious alliances is made clear in 2 Cor. 6:14b–17.

2 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:15 Belial. An ancient name for Satan, the utterly worthless one (see note on Deut. 13:13). This contrasts sharply with Jesus Christ, the worthy One with whom believers are to be in fellowship.

2 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:16 agreement . . . temple of God with idols? The temple of God (true Christianity) and idols (idolatrous, demonic false religions) are utterly incompatible (cf. 1 Sam. 4–6; 2 Kings 21:1–15; Ezek. 8). we are the temple of the living God.

Believers individually are spiritual houses (cf. 2 Cor. 5:1) in which the Spirit of Christ dwells (see notes on 1 Cor. 3:16–17; 6:19–20; Eph. 2:22). as God said. Paul supported his statement by referring to a blend of OT texts (Lev. 26:11–12; Jer. 24:7; 31:33; Ezek. 37:26–27; Hos. 2:2–3).

2 CORINTHIANS—NOTE ON 6:17 Paul drew from Isa. 52:11 and elaborated on the command to be spiritually separated. It is not only irrational and sacrilegious but disobedient to be bound together with unbelievers. When believers are saved, they are to disengage themselves from all forms of false religion and make a clean break from all sinful habits and old idolatrous patterns (see notes on Eph. 5:6–12; 2 Tim. 2:20–23; cf. Rev. 18:4). be separate. This is a command for believers to be as Christ was (Heb. 7:26).

Yup John-fully agree here.
J.

 

[Jack]

Hi Jack,

Avoiding scripture like the plague? Hm, have you seen my website? Specifically this section: https://jesus-saves-all.com/LGBTQ.htm

Here I'll quote myself since I already covered this verse here:


1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,

CORRECTED: 1 Corinthians 6:9 ESV Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice sodomy aka bestiality aka the sin of having sexual intercourse with an animal.



As Christian Universalist know with how many mistakes there are in translation of “hell” rather than Sheol/Hades/Gehenna/Tartarus, this line “men who practice homosexuality” is a mistranslation!

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Members of Christ



perform homosexual acts, ἀρσενοκοῖται (arsenokoitai) Strong's 733: A male engaging in same-gender sexual activity; a sodomite, pederast. From arrhen and koite; a sodomite.

Strong’s mistranslation! Let’s not forget that James Strong (1822–1894) is a mere human sinner who makes mistakes like the rest of us. It’s not all “male-to-male sexual activity” but rather “arrhen and koite, sodomite”.



Definition of PEDERAST

Pederest = a man who desires or engages in sexual activity with a boy.

It’s a repeat of Leviticus 18:22 above, where a “boy” refers to a male child. Sexual activity with any child, male or female, homosexual or heterosexual is a sin! That’s what’s being condemned.



Definition of SODOMITE

Sodomite = someone who practices sodomy

Sodomy = copulation with an animal

Definition of COPULATION

Copulation = to engage in sexual intercourse



Like I mentioned in Exodus 22:19 above, Sodomy is the sin of bestiality, having sexual intercourse with an animal, a dishonorable passion!

Your smokescreen noted, but tell us your qualifications for declaring all of our Bibles to be wrong. I doubt you have any.

 

[Johann]

Hi Johann

The unbelievers are trapped due to their sin. As such, it's good for Christians to avoid sin, not to be saved, as that's by faith alone, but rather because we are already saved.

Essentially, the whole argument with avoiding the sin of idolatry, avoiding the worshipping of Satan, or Belial, Deut. 13:13 1 Sam. 4–6; 2 Kings 21:1–15; Ezek. 8 like you mention. I agree with. The thing is... what does this have to do about denying Christian Universalism?

Because under Eternal Concious Torment, for the idolaters, the Satanist, the Belialist, guess what? They're still trapped in their sin, their worship, their idolatry. Their faith in Christ frees them from sin, and the LORD desires to free all the prisoners! Like you say, to have all believers made into temples of God, with the dwelling of the Holy Spirit 1 Cor. 3:16–17; 6:19–20; Eph. 2:22)

Jonah 2:8 ESV Those who pay regard to vain idols forsake their hope of steadfast love.

Look at that, we see that the "forsake" here is not a permanent state of forsaking, but rather, a temporary relinquishing

Jonah 2:8 - Jonah's Prayer

Those who cling to worthless idols forsake His loving devotion.

biblehub.com

forsake
יַעֲזֹֽבוּ׃ (ya·‘ă·zō·ḇū)
Strong's 5800: To loosen, relinquish, permit

Because the love of God [His] loving devotion. חַסְדָּ֖ם (ḥas·dām) is steadfast and it never fails. Thus all shall become believers in Christ and be saved!

I don't hold to Universalism -that ALL shall be saved -in the end.

 

[Ritajanice]

Not according to the word of God...everyone will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven....

Mathew 7.

[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
[24] Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
[25] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
[26] And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
[27] And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
[28] And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
[29] For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes

John 3:3-8​

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3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

 

[Jack]

My boss called me. I type this while speaking to him on the phone. Though he knows who he claims is the “Smartest Person in Academia”, this person is very humble. We relate this to our financial research, where those who flaunt and brag about their wealth are usually poorer than those who live modestly and have a lot of savings.



```Proverbs 13:7 ISV One person pretends to be wealthy, but has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet is rich.. ```



Strong’s 1952. וְה֣וֹן (wə·hō·wn) means wealth, but also means sufficiency. An inflection of this, riches, הוֹן (hon), is seen in



```Psalm 119:14. ISV I find joy in the path of your decrees, as if I owned all kinds of riches. ```



What are riches? We, are the treasures of God. The LORD owns all of us as His riches. And He wishes to purify us, to remove our sins, our impurities. His grace is our sufficiency. All shall be convinced to believe in Christ and thus be saved. We are all the Lord’s savings.

What is your religion? Christians don't just pick the verses they like!

 

[Jack]

Hi Rita

[21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;" as Matthew 7 reveals. But for how long will they be unable to enter the kingdom of Heaven. We see this length of time will depend on how long they remains as one solely born of Adam. One who has not yet been born of Christ. But surely, all shall be born of Christ.

It's not merely saying "Lord, Lord" to enter the kingdom of Heaven. One may claim to be Christian outwardly, verbally, but if they do not believe in Christ, then they are not saved, no matter how many times they repeat the word "Lord"

Colossians 3:11 KJBWhere there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Colossians 3:11 - Putting on the New Self

Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all.

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I agree with John 3:3-8 KJB, specifically, how a person must be born again to see the kingdom of God, they must believe in Christ to be saved. Therefore, everyone will eventually be born again, because, everyone has been born at first. All humans have been phyiscally born of Adam and thus all humans will then be spiritually born of Christ.

1 Corinthians 15:22 KJB For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:22 - The Order of Resurrection

For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

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God bless!

If you are wrong you may be leading people to Hell fire and you will be with them!