Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?

[Jack]

Can they laugh in Hell or is it just screaming! Sizzle! Sizzle!

Like the rich man in Luke 16, they'll be doing LOTS of crying, and nobody will care and there will be NO mercy.

 

[Grailhunter]

Like the rich man in Luke 16, they'll be doing LOTS of crying, and nobody will care and there will be NO mercy.

Maybe there is no Hell, no Heaven, no God.....but such are not the beliefs of Christ or the Apostles or anybody that would call themselves Christians.

 

[Meditation]

This is dangerous ground!
Second guessing God.
Questioning his fairness.
Standing in opposition to the scriptures.
Anti-Christian for sure.
What do think Christ and the Apostles would say to this?
Some say that was the disagreement between God and Satan. Satan did not think that God was fair.
So as the cliché, better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

You counsel me for "Second guessing God", when you have Them torturing men, women, children, and demons given Everlasting Life to be TORTURED?????

Tragilarious!

 

[Jack]

You counsel me for "Second guessing God", when you have Them torturing men, women, children, and demons given Everlasting Life to be TORTURED?????

Tragilarious!

Revelation 21
8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

 

[Patrick1966]

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”

Now it does not mention calling God a sadistic monster....but I wonder if there is a level of Hell for that sort of thing?

2nd Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Galatians 1:6-10 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

I see you cried. No problem. Back to "ignore". Good riddance.

 

[Jack]

I see you cried. No problem. Back to "ignore". Good riddance.

Patrick seems to get real upset when you quote Scripture!

 

[Meditation]

Isn't it amazing how the Bible choppers think Hell is funny!
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[Meditation]

The Hellfire Dogma IS funny- in the case of gullibility, but not to God- which is the Insult of all Insults.

 

[Jack]

Quite appropriate indeed!

 

[Grailhunter]

You counsel me for "Second guessing God", when you have Them torturing men, women, children, and demons given Everlasting Life to be TORTURED?????

Tragilarious!

Find in the scriptures where they make exceptions. In the Old Testament God told Moses to go kill the Pagans, kill all that breaths and do not forget the babies.

 

[Jack]

The Hellfire Dogma IS funny- in the case of gullibility, but not to God- which is the Insult of all Insults.

Are you related to 'wrecked'?

 

[Grailhunter]

The Hellfire Dogma IS funny- in the case of gullibility, but not to God- which is the Insult of all Insults.

Hellfire Dogma is the scriptures from the beginning of the New Testament to the end.

 

[Meditation]

Find in the scriptures where they make exceptions. In the Old Testament God told Moses to go kill the Pagans, kill all that breaths and do not forget the babies.

But did He tell them to keep them alive as much as possible...and to TORTURE them?

 

[Grailhunter]

But did He tell them to keep them alive as much as possible...and to TORTURE them?

All that is what God does. Eternal torment and forever torment by fire is all through the New Testament.
There is no talk of temporary torment. Or that Hell is not fire or torment.
It would be easier to start your own religion than try to tell Christians that the Bible lies.

 

[FaithWillDo]

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God”

Now it does not mention calling God a sadistic monster....but I wonder if there is a level of Hell for that sort of thing?

2nd Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Galatians 1:6-10 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

Dear Grailhunter,
The "inheritance" is only for the Elect. Most of mankind has not been chosen to receive the inheritance of life during the ages and reigning with Christ in the final age. But still, all mankind will be saved.

1Cor 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection from the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

All who have died "in Adam" is the same "all" who will be made alive "in Christ". Who could that possibly leave out?

The salvation of mankind occurs in TWO different ages of time. The Elect are saved at "His coming" in this present age and the balance of mankind will be saved at the "consummation" which occurs at the end of the final age.

The salvation of the First Fruits (the Elect) is "typed" by the Feast of Weeks. The balance of mankind will be harvested at the end of the year when the full harvest is gathered. It is "typed" by the Feast of Ingathering (Tabernacles):

Exo 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

Why do you believe Christ will harvest His crop of first fruits, but will not harvest His crop at the end of the year?

Salvation is not limited to this present age as Orthodox Christianity teaches.

When Christ finishes His work of saving mankind, God will then be "all in all" and this verse will be testified to be true:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Where is your faith to believe Christ?

Joe

 

[FaithWillDo]

All that is what God does. Eternal torment and forever torment by fire is all through the New Testament.
There is no talk of temporary torment. Or that Hell is not fire or torment.
It would be easier to start your own religion than try to tell Christians that the Bible lies.

Dear Grailhunter,
Christ's judgment will not omit "justice, mercy and faith" when He judges the "lost" of the final age:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Joe

 

[Grailhunter]

Dear Grailhunter,
The "inheritance" is only for the Elect. Most of mankind has not been chosen to receive the inheritance of life during the ages and reigning with Christ in the final age. But still, all mankind will be saved.

1Cor 15:20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection from the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the consummation, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

All who have died "in Adam" is the same "all" who will be made alive "in Christ". Who could that possibly leave out?

The salvation of mankind occurs in TWO different ages of time. The Elect are saved at "His coming" in this present age and the balance of mankind will be saved at the "consummation" which occurs at the end of the final age.

The salvation of the First Fruits (the Elect) is "typed" by the Feast of Weeks. The balance of mankind will be harvested at the end of the year when the full harvest is gathered. It is "typed" by the Feast of Ingathering (Tabernacles):

Exo 23:16 And the feast of harvest, the firstfruits of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field: and the feast of ingathering, which is in the end of the year, when thou hast gathered in thy labours out of the field.

Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

Why do you believe Christ will harvest His crop of first fruits, but will not harvest His crop at the end of the year?

Salvation is not limited to this present age as Orthodox Christianity teaches.

When Christ finishes His work of saving mankind, God will then be "all in all" and this verse will be testified to be true:

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Where is your faith to believe Christ?

Joe

Is this Calvinist or Jehovah's Witness or Jewish?

 

[Meditation]

All that is what God does. Eternal torment and forever torment by fire is all through the New Testament.
There is no talk of temporary torment. Or that Hell is not fire or torment.
It would be easier to start your own religion than try to tell Christians that the Bible lies.

God made man in His...THEIR(heh)...image; why doesn't that desire appeal to you?

Hell is from Heb "Sheol" and the Grk "Hades", both literally mean "grave, pit".
Then you have the obscene Religious meanings.

 

[Grailhunter]

God made man in His...THEIR(heh)...image; why doesn't that desire appeal to you?

Hell is from Heb "Sheol" and the Grk "Hades", both literally mean "grave, pit".
Then you have the obscene Religious meanings.

You have a lot to learn. Wrong on all counts.

 

[FaithWillDo]

Is this Calvinist or Jehovah's Witness or Jewish?

Dear Grailhunter,
I do not associate with any denomination or sect. They are all apostate including the ones you mentioned.

The truth I teach comes only from God's Word.

Joe