It's probably a sales tactic of churches to gain members and tithe offerings. I think a lot of the churches here today make a lot of money from preaching. The bible speaks about the church established immediately following Jesus' death and resurrection. How everyone gave their goods and money to the people so that there were no poor among them and all had their needs met. Does any church today preach that? Probably not. Probably because of the greed of people.
Hellfire and brimstone has given way to eternal separation from God. - Why?
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The gates of heaven will never be closed. You only need a white robe to get in.
Just need to do your laundry.
Mark 9:49
Everyone will be salted with fire.
Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.
Some religious cults have tried the commune route. Always ends in disaster.
Same with snake handling and poison drinking. It's in the Bible.
Okay.
That leaves a few more questions.
Does it matter to live a life dedicated to God through Christ now today?
What do you expect the body of a person who wants nothing to do with God even with His judges them and God says hey i love you, but this is for you and since you want nothing to do with me when i was calling out to you while you were alive, you can lives outside the kingdom?
Is there a condemned spiritual housing they are given ? And for the believer they are promised rewards?
How would you decide to answer these questions?
That is really well answered, Devin.
He had to keep the jewish people safe, though sometimes he even let his own people come under destruction. The old testament is so much full of langauge of Gods people turning to other gods, commiting adultry with them.
No snake handling and poison drinking is not in the bible. The bible speaks of people probably having no choice but to pick up snakes to protect their homes from them. And God keeps them safe. Remember the middle east mud and brick huts they lived in. And I don't think the bible speaks of intentionally drinking poison. Again that poison was a persecution of the Saints from the wicked people.
Hey the Amish work this commune route pretty effectively I hear. So no excuses perhaps.
@St. SteVen, @dev553344
Some bibles but not all say that these verse are not in the most anicent manuscripts,
“The women fled from the tomb, trembling and bewildered, and they said nothing to anyone because they were too frightened. ----------
[The most ancient manuscripts of Mark conclude with verse 16:8. Later manuscripts add one or both of the following endings.]
[Shorter Ending of Mark]
Then they briefly reported all this to Peter and his companions. Afterward Jesus himself sent them out from east to west with the sacred and unfailing message of salvation that gives eternal life. Amen.
[Longer Ending of Mark]
After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning, the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons. She went to the disciples, who were grieving and weeping, and told them what had happened. But when she told them that Jesus was alive and she had seen him, they didn’t believe her. Afterward he appeared in a different form to two of his followers who were walking from Jerusalem into the country. They rushed back to tell the others, but no one believed them. Still later he appeared to the eleven disciples as they were eating together. He rebuked them for their stubborn unbelief because they refused to believe those who had seen him after he had been raised from the dead. And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages. They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed.” When the Lord Jesus had finished talking with them, he was taken up into heaven and sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand. And the disciples went everywhere and preached, and the Lord worked through them, confirming what they said by many miraculous signs.”
Mark 16:8-20 NLT
Therefore this is subjective - some suggest someone added the longer part, some says its not part of the canon.
I truthfully dont know but dont consider the longer part not part of the canon personally,
I could be wrong but its at the descretion of the individual.
Some bibles but not all say that these verse are not in the most anicent manuscripts,
“The women fled from the tomb, trembling and bewildered, and they said nothing to anyone because they were too frightened. ----------
[The most ancient manuscripts of Mark conclude with verse 16:8. Later manuscripts add one or both of the following endings.]
[Shorter Ending of Mark]
Then they briefly reported all this to Peter and his companions. Afterward Jesus himself sent them out from east to west with the sacred and unfailing message of salvation that gives eternal life. Amen.
[Longer Ending of Mark]
After Jesus rose from the dead early on Sunday morning, the first person who saw him was Mary Magdalene, the woman from whom he had cast out seven demons. She went to the disciples, who were grieving and weeping, and told them what had happened. But when she told them that Jesus was alive and she had seen him, they didn’t believe her. Afterward he appeared in a different form to two of his followers who were walking from Jerusalem into the country. They rushed back to tell the others, but no one believed them. Still later he appeared to the eleven disciples as they were eating together. He rebuked them for their stubborn unbelief because they refused to believe those who had seen him after he had been raised from the dead. And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone. Anyone who believes and is baptized will be saved. But anyone who refuses to believe will be condemned. These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages. They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed.” When the Lord Jesus had finished talking with them, he was taken up into heaven and sat down in the place of honor at God’s right hand. And the disciples went everywhere and preached, and the Lord worked through them, confirming what they said by many miraculous signs.”
Mark 16:8-20 NLT
Mark 16:8-20 The women fled from the tomb, trembling and bewildered, and they said nothing to anyone because they were too frightened. ---------- [The most ancient manuscripts of Mark conclude with verse 16:8. L | New Living Translation (NLT) | Dow
The women fled from the tomb, trembling and bewildered, and they said nothing to anyone because they were too frightened. ---------- [The most ancient manuscripts of Mark conclude with verse 16:8. L
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Therefore this is subjective - some suggest someone added the longer part, some says its not part of the canon.
I truthfully dont know but dont consider the longer part not part of the canon personally,
I could be wrong but its at the descretion of the individual.
GISMYS_7
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Jesus paid for our sins if we choose to believe,confess,and accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior if not then we pay for our own sins =the eternal lake of fire!!! Choose wisely!!
Little man speaking here ;) Yes I somewhat believe that also. The bible talks about:
Matthew 5:25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
Are you sure?
Mark 16:16-18 NIV
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved,
but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe:
In my name they will drive out demons;
they will speak in new tongues;
18 they will pick up snakes with their hands;
and when they drink deadly poison,
it will not hurt them at all;
they will place their hands on sick people,
and they will get well.”
Or a product of a seeker-friendly environment that has been popular these days.
The church was turning people off with the fundamentalist teaching.
But this meant either watering down the doctrines to make them palatable, or
re-evaluating the doctrines to make sense of them. A literal reading wasn't working.
Steven,
It was something that was taught to me about two years ago.
My thoughts on it are that is good to think for yourself; question everything, and study, and compare different translations even, including also looking into a greek/hebrew dictonary.
Despite errors i still believe that bible is effecent enough to explain many factors of all the subjects within it.
Not many people may be into that kind of thing, however growing, and maturing in Christ would come by and through, prayer and supplication to God to help one by the spirit, but also learning about Him and what others had to say or write about with the bible.
That is totally subjective and why i believe subjective christanity is viable today; everyone is at there on measure of faith with God.
Also ive heard;
Pslam 19:8
“To acquire wisdom is to love yourself; people who cherish understanding will prosper.”
Proverbs 19:8 NLT
Proverbs 19:8 To acquire wisdom is to love yourself; people who cherish understanding will prosper. | New Living Translation (NLT) | Download The Bible App Now
To acquire wisdom is to love yourself; people who cherish understanding will prosper.
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Still hope to hear what your thoughts are on post #64.
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Gismys, @dev553344, @St. SteVen, @Patrick1966
Thank you all for the good conversation.
In good faith,
All the best!
Matthew
That's true.
Do you know why those Bibles say that?
Or how that came to be?
And why some Bibles don't alert us to those facts?
Obviously, the churches that handle snakes and drink poison got the idea from the Bible.
And some (many?) who precticed this have died, or been critically ill.
St. Steven
It may or may not have something to do with beings making choices with free will.
Some speculate the last part of Matthew, where it says baptize in the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit was an additive by some scribe from a long time ago, have you heard that before? While all in the book of acts they baptised in Jesus name.
Good morning,
Matthew
Sorry I overlooked this earlier.
Was just re-reading to see if I missed anything and found your excellent questions.
Yes, absolutely.
Less corrective work will need to be done in the Age of Restoration.
Jesus told us that we would be better off to go into the afterlife without that eye or hand that causes us to sin.
He said this to believers.
Seems to be more than one question/inference in that. I'll try to answer.
Unfortunately, the church has taught us that God has human enemies, and that these enemies will get what they have coming.
On the contrary. IMHO
God is love. He loves everyone. He doesn't hate the person that wants nothing to do with him.
We call God Father for good reason. What does/should a father do if one of their children wants nothing to do with them?
Does/should a father stop loving his child for that reason? Oh course not.
There will be a chasm separating the groups.
(Jesus' teaching in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus) Compare John 5:24
I think there will be rewards and correction for everyone.
This scripture speaks of our God-given human conscience.
Make special note of verse 16.
Romans 2:14-16 NIV
(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law,
they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts,
their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them
and at other times even defending them.)
16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets
through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Much more to say on all of this.
Let me know if you have any more questions, my friend.
And have a blessed Sunday.
Yes, in Bible translation there are three choices for the required Textual Criticism.
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus – Textual Criticism 101
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus - Textual Criticism 101 - Berean PatriotYes, I have.
I was shocked at such a seemingly outlandish claim initially.
But they are correct when they say that nowhere else in the NT text is anyone baptized in anything but Jesus' name.
Makes you wonder.
Patrick1966
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Yes it does. I don't believe someone can pay for their own sins and still get out of hell. But I could be wrong. But I believe the payment is eternal.
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