Dogmatic Christianity

[ScottA]

do you think Episkopos is a prophet of God?

I could speak such an assessment, but I will not. A tree is known by its fruit. That is enough.

As for Episkopos...he indeed has his gifts.

 

[Episkopos]

Is it hate speech to warn people of eternal consequences? Is it love? It's funny that people will rationalize warning unbelievers outside the church....even seeing this as laudatory. But try warning the unbelievers within the church and most will get into a snit. It's funny how history continues to repeat itself.

 

[MatthewG]

Is it hate speech to warn people of eternal consequences?

It has to be done in the right setting, otherwise it could simply push away people, the only thing that comes to mind here is what Jesus said about the resurrection of condemnation; judgment - for the unbeliever which Yahava, will give a spiritually resurrected body, however it may not be equipped enough to be able to dwell in the Kingdom of God, and that body is corrupted house what is it like outside that kingdom, darkness? Are they content with what they have? Are they always wanting? Will it be a struggle to get to the lake of fire that could burn away that darkness with-in the corrupted house?

These questions are a hope to go and help those whom may have passed and are still out there today, doesn't make it true, because all we have at the end of the bible is just some scenery to behold.

To go up to a person say who is gay, and say HEY BOY IF YOU DONT QUIT BEING GAY U GONNA GO TO HELL, that is pretty much hateful speech... and not even really sitting down and talking to them, and considering their thoughts, and if they are considerate of learning the bible. (I talked with my mother about this today and her answer to that is God looks at the heart - I would agree - God is there judge).

This is why school should be more prominent than church itself. Though - have your teacher or pastor teach the word the chapter by chapter, verse by verse, commentary on old writers, and you can either agree with them, or suggest something that is an alternative way of looking things as long as it is by the spirit, and having the admittance of them to seek and go find out what the bible says and encourage prayer and talking to God.

Is it love? It's funny that people will rationalize warning unbelievers outside the church....even seeing this as laudatory.

Do you mean this as in street preaching? Or people on the sidewalk who just want people to say Jesus and come back, and say we had 6 confessions today!

That doesn't mean anything at all.

But try warning the unbelievers within the church and most will get into a snit. It's funny how history continues to repeat itself.

This is known to me that anyone who is actually doing as suggested, some will like that, some will not, but it shouldnt be demanded they must do anything, and they should think and choose for themselves, otherwise it is just dogma.

All the best, in Christ,
Matthew

 

[ScottA]

Is it hate speech to warn people of eternal consequences? Is it love? It's funny that people will rationalize warning unbelievers outside the church....even seeing this as laudatory. But try warning the unbelievers within the church and most will get into a snit. It's funny how history continues to repeat itself.

Snit--love that word!

Actually, you bring up an excellent point. Spreading the gospel and doing our part to fulfill the great commission does not have to be a greatly spiritual endeavor per se. I mean, it's really just information. In which case tact and a sensitivity toward effective communication, timing, when to speak, and when to shut up and listen, should all be exercised so as "not to offend one of these little ones."

Perhaps then, there is something missing in the equipping of the saints regarding going beyond basic sharing of information...that it's not okay to speculate or even speak matter-a-factly, as that is what got the Priests and the Pharisees in trouble. They came to think of themselves as the authority rather than the message being the authority--which by the power of God it certainly is, and we are not--not in the case of basically spreading the gospel. And that very thing--thinking we are the authority, seems to be quite prevalent within the church.

As for warning within or without the church, the same would apply. Is it us doing the warning, or is it the Holy Spirit? Great care should be taken to make certain it is not just us. This discretionary fine point is surely akin to "rightly dividing the word of truth"--that is, between what is worldly and what is godly, or from us or from God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I could speak such an assessment, but I will not. A tree is known by its fruit. That is enough.

As for Episkopos...he indeed has his gifts.

like what gifts?

and what fruit?

 

[marks]

As for warning within or without the church, the same would apply. Is it us doing the warning, or is it the Holy Spirit? Great care should be taken to make certain it is not just us. This discretionary fine point is surely akin to "rightly dividing the word of truth"--that is, between what is worldly and what is godly, or from us or from God.

And in this we have many passages of Scripture teaching us what we are to be seeing from His annointed teachers. Let the one prophesy, and let the others discern.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is it hate speech to warn people of eternal consequences? Is it love? It's funny that people will rationalize warning unbelievers outside the church....even seeing this as laudatory. But try warning the unbelievers within the church and most will get into a snit. It's funny how history continues to repeat itself.

its love

which is why we have been warning you. myself for many years throughout many chatrooms now.

Because you talk a good talk.. but your gospel is off base.. Your gospel is based on how good a person is. Not on the grace and mercy of God.

and you should practice what you preach.

You can't say people get into a snit when you say what you believe, when you do the very thing to anyone who disagrees with you.

As I have told you so many times, That hypocrisy.. God told us not to be like the world. and be hypocrites.. wo why would you do it, and claim you represent him and we should listen to you?

 

[ScottA]

like what gifts?

and what fruit?

I said I would not. But just look for the fruit. I see great compassion and energy for what is true from God. What do you see?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I said I would not. But just look for the fruit. I see great compassion and energy for what is true from God. What do you see?

I see great compassion from non believers.

does that mean they have the love of God in them?

and I do not see any commpassion in him, I see alot of hate and alot of anger from anyone who disagrees with him..

Thats not the way of God.

its the truth that matters. if the truth is wro9ng.. all the great works we do are nothing but filthy rags.. they will mean nothing.

 

[MatthewG]

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

This is the freedom that should be sought after, and if God has allowed you to be free, be free; from burden of traditions or man made theologies, and seek out truth.

“Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, ‘If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.’”
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John 8:31-32 Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, ‘If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.’ | Young's Literal Translation 1898 (YLT98) | Download The

Jesus, therefore, said unto the Jews who believed in him, ‘If ye may remain in my word, truly my disciples ye are, and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.’

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Remain in his word and learn of his Father and apostles.

“‘Ye heard that it was said: Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and shalt hate thine enemy; but I — I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those accusing you falsely, and persecuting you, that ye may be sons of your Father in the heavens, because His sun He doth cause to rise on evil and good, and He doth send rain on righteous and unrighteous. ‘For, if ye may love those loving you, what reward have ye? do not also the taxgatherers the same? and if ye may salute your brethren only, what do ye abundant? do not also the taxgatherers so? ye shall therefore be perfect, as your Father who [is] in the heavens is perfect.”
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Matthew 5:43-48 ‘Ye heard that it was said: Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and shalt hate thine enemy; but I — I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those | Young's Literal Translation 189

‘Ye heard that it was said: Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and shalt hate thine enemy; but I — I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those cursing you, do good to those hating you, and pray for those

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[Episkopos]

I see great compassion from non believers.

does that mean they have the love of God in them?

and I do not see any commpassion in him, I see alot of hate and alot of anger from anyone who disagrees with him..

Thats not the way of God.

its the truth that matters. if the truth is wro9ng.. all the great works we do are nothing but filthy rags.. they will mean nothing.

You are missing the bigger picture here. Jesus came only to the lost sheep of Israel. They rejected Him and crucified Him.

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. But it wasn't worldly people that despised Him and killed Him...it was God's people. If you can't see the irony and the paradox in this you will never understand your own reactions to what I say. The wrath of God is primarily on His own people. I'm trying to warn people of the "terror of the Lord." But few seem to recognize what I'm doing and why.

2 Cor. 5:11 "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences."

Of course religious people will see that as a warning to non-believers...and not the unbelievers that fill the modern churches. Look what Paul says concerning believers...

Rom. 11 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.

People will mock and dissimulate...until it is too late. The prophecies state that religious ideology will triumph over the truth in the believers of the last time. So many here are proving that very point.

The hate and anger are not from me. They are from your own carnal reaction to the truth. That very same anger will have many gnashing their teeth at the coming judgment. Will men fear the Lord and turn from destruction? No way...the ego is first served in these.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are missing the bigger picture here. Jesus came only to the lost sheep of Israel. They rejected Him and crucified Him.

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. But it wasn't worldly people that despised Him and killed Him...it was God's people. If you can't see the irony and the paradox in this you will never understand your own reactions to what I say. The wrath of God is primarily on His own people. I'm trying to warn people of the "terror of the Lord." But few seem to recognize what I'm doing and why.

2 Cor. 5:11 "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences."

Of course religious people will see that as a warning to non-believers...and not the unbelievers that fill the modern churches. Look what Paul says concerning believers...

Rom. 11 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.

People will mock and dissimulate...until it is too late. The prophecies state that religious ideology will triumph over the truth in the believers of the last time. So many here are proving that very point.

Here is your problem, You do not even think YOUR sin crucified him

yes. the jew turned him in to be crucified. And the romans obliged.. But jesus let it happen.. Because of the world..

He does for the sin of the world. which means every one of us has a part in his death.

The wrath of God is against unrighteousness

You continue to prove my point.. You think you are ok. you are better than others. You reject the gospel because like the pharisees (yeah the ones who crucified christ) you do not think you need him to save you from your penalty of sin

 

[MatthewG]

There is admiration for older people willingly to keep studying and seeking, God in faith and looking at the bible…

Im just a young person, there are so many people that go without reading or studying they have faith and that is fine but when you stop,

You forget and thats not good.

Thank you to all the older people who keep sharing to the younger than thous, and those out there who are young sharing with others also…

God be with,


If yhey wanna fight or accuse jesus took it and sometimes its better just to walk away.

As who care what people may think about you, you arent working for them


Kick the dust off your feet is a good spiritual principle

And this entire time God has let us do what we have wanted though we might have burned our hands a few times.

 

[Episkopos]

Here is your problem, You do not even think YOUR sin crucified him

yes. the jew turned him in to be crucified. And the romans obliged.. But jesus let it happen.. Because of the world..

He does for the sin of the world. which means every one of us has a part in his death.

The wrath of God is against unrighteousness

You continue to prove my point.. You think you are ok. you are better than others. You reject the gospel because like the pharisees (yeah the ones who crucified christ) you do not think you need him to save you from your penalty of sin

This is so fallacious and wrong headed...it's not worth trying to fix it.

 

[Patrick1966]

Many make the gauge of their enthusiasm a license to speak with authority they do not have...at least not from God.

That's every person in this forum.

 

[Patrick1966]

LOL. I indeed have a different Spirit than the modern religious institutions. I certainly hope so! I have "another Spirit." It pleases God that the few are rejected by the many. So continue to judge from yourself. It must be so. I'm happy to be marginalized. :) That proves I'm spot on.

I have been following Christ...in reality.... for 43 years. It's not so much about the amount of time one maintains something....but where that is taking you.

remain as you are. No one is forcing you to give up your religious schemes.

Do you believe that Jesus will eventually save ALL people who ever lived?

 

[Patrick1966]

sadly. some people live in the world where they think Gods speaks directly to them, and God has shown them the truth.


then they will attack anyone who disagrees with them as how did he put it, "non conversant in spiritual things

God permits you, me, and others to be lost from the truth for a period of time in order to teach humility. There isn't one person on the planet that has a full and accurate understanding of God.

 

[Episkopos]

Do you believe that Jesus will eventually save ALL people who ever lived?

No. I believe God is sorting people in this age to find those who will be His intimates (saints), His subjects (saved righteous), His shamed wanderers (outer darkness) and those who will be eliminated entirely (lake of fire, the 2nd death).

 

[Episkopos]

That's every person in this forum.

Is this not the gauge of your own enthusiasm? The mistake is to assume you know what's really going on.

 

[Patrick1966]

Is this not the gauge of your own enthusiasm? The mistake is to assume you know what's really going on.

I wholeheartedly agree. We can have doctrinal differences without condemning one another.