People say you can not lose faith, God can't lose you, is that true?

[MatthewG]

Who rescued Peter when he failed, his faith failed, he sank under the water ?

Who saved him from drowning ?

@ChristisGod,

Please read everything before asking more questions please.

I just literally told you everything that I believe with your questions, and my understanding on them which may be right or could be wrong, let's walk by faith, and walk in the spirit.

The inherited nature to investigate further or try to find some fault or something is not needed. All of us are in need of the Lord for the deliverance of the self-entitled flesh.

All in respect,
Matthew

 

[Ritajanice]

Who rescued Peter when he failed, his faith failed, he sank under the water ?

Who saved him from drowning ?

JESUS!!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hello ChristisGod,

You know your entitled to what you believe.

From my perspective which could be wrong;

Yes, It is true that Jesus gives people eternal (age-during) life, ages can end, if a person decides later in life because of doubts that come up in their mind and they surrcome to them, they can leave and walk away from faith, unless God is someone who forces a person to stay.
I do not see the Apostles, Jesus or God as liars, however there is a choice, or does God pick and choose, and that is it? You do not do anything.

Just curious, all in love, and in Christ,
Matthew

then it is not eternal life

it should be called conditional life.

Why would God say we will never perish (die) and have eternal life. if we can stillk perish and do not really have eternal life?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A quick review of the Parable of the Sower will reveal that some people will refuse to believe, while others will believe. Out of the group that believes some will fall away, while others will stay. What made the difference?

Just as soil preparation made the difference between fruit and no fruit, The difference between those who fall away and those who persevere is heart preparation. And just as the farmer is responsible for soil preparation; God is responsible for heart preparation. What is heart preparation?

The indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

A more indepth study of that parable will reveal that only one group produced fruit. which means only one group was actually born again.

the rest of them did not believe in a way to be saved..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful,

Always good to encourage others, to keep them from becoming unbelieving cause doubts do sometimes come up with life. Anyone who says life is a piece of cake, hasn't had a very hard difficult life, those who have been forgiven much, loves much.

Thank you for insights,
Matthew

Satan wants us to have doubts, Because if he can plant doubts in our head, he can take us out of the war and make us useless..

That's why we have to encourage people that God will never leave us or forsake us,. and there is not even a possibility we can fall away from salvation.. this makes satan powerless against us

 

[Eternally Grateful]

JESUS!!

Yes,

Jesus never left him.. when peter was faithless, Jesus was faithful

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, It is true that Jesus gives people eternal (age-during) life, ages can end, if a person decides later in life because of doubts that come up in their mind and they surrcome to them, they can leave and walk away from faith, unless God is someone who forces a person to stay.

With respect, I don’t think you are understanding the rebirth...we can have doubts in the head, but Jesus resides in our heart..yes?.....when we become born again we have the Spirit of Christ in our heart..yes?

2 Corinthians 1:22​

“Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.”


We have the indwelling Holy Spirit .

How can God force his child ,who is Born Again, to stay.....how can he do that, when they are born again..adopted into his kingdom.....we belong to God and no other.

A Born again could NEVER leave the Father.....where would they go?

Do you understand that his Spirit is in ours...by birthing us in the Spirit?

John 3:6​

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

 

[ChristisGod]

JESUS!!

Amen He is the Savior who does the saving. :)

 

[ChristisGod]

then it is not eternal life

it should be called conditional life.

Why would God say we will never perish (die) and have eternal life. if we can stillk perish and do not really have eternal life?

Exactly is called eternal life for a good reason- it doesn't end but has a beginning.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Many many self righteous will hear Jesus say this to them

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.​

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Then shall be known IF they were ever of us, believed a lie, had a reprobate mind, were filled with their own or man's doctrine, deceived by itching ears or were just waves tossed on the ocean of religion.

Few that find the truth is the truth!

 

[MatthewG]

then it is not eternal life

it should be called conditional life.

Why would God say we will never perish (die) and have eternal life. if we can stillk perish and do not really have eternal life?

@Eternally Grateful

That is a good question.

I have no idea why God is gonna raise up unbelievers and believers. He seems to have a place for both parties at the end of life.

It's something that I believe because of the immortal soul.

I am glad though and have hope in God getting what he desires - none to perish.

All in love and respect,
Matthew

 

[Ritajanice]

John 6:35-39

King James Version

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35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[MatthewG]

Satan wants us to have doubts, Because if he can plant doubts in our head, he can take us out of the war and make us useless..

That's why we have to encourage people that God will never leave us or forsake us,. and there is not even a possibility we can fall away from salvation.. this makes satan powerless against us

@Eternally Grateful,

While I doubt Satan is still around today and defeated. It is with-in our capabilities as Creations of God - to be able to think, and act. It's up to people to seek out for God, and God loves you and cares about you just like any other person who is not even in the realm of belief as of yet. Therefore the scriptures mentions falling away, and no one can say no you can't leave the faith, in my opinion but that is my opinion. The thought occured to me recently, it was like standing on a mountain with light, and looking down to jump into the abyss of darkness, and my choice was to stand with the Lord who is the way and the truth, and the light, some people can throw it away. Just look at when Jesus was tempted by Satan. (I believe people can be adversity, and our own thoughts can be adversity to our faith), I am not trying to get anyone to doubt God... it's just human nature to think and act, on ones desires, and people can it's just simple as that, unless you are someone who is a robot and has not choice what so ever, and hope that you can fully understand this message.

All the best, in Love,
Matthew

 

[MatthewG]

With respect, I don’t think you are understanding the rebirth...we can have doubts in the head, but Jesus resides in our heart..yes?.....when we become born again we have the Spirit of Christ in our heart..yes?

2 Corinthians 1:22​

“Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.”


We have the indwelling Holy Spirit .

How can God force his child ,who is Born Again, to stay.....how can he do that, when they are born again..adopted into his kingdom.....we belong to God and no other.

A Born again could NEVER leave the Father.....where would they go?

Do you understand that his Spirit is in ours...by birthing us in the Spirit?

John 3:6​

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

@Ritajanice

Eventually you must leave the doctrines of Christ, Hebrews 6:1.

I already know these things, and there are people out there who do not, those are the ones whom you should share who are wanting to know more about God, and the rebirth of being born again.

Thank you for understanding,
Matthew

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful

That is a good question.

I have no idea why God is gonna raise up unbelievers and believers. He seems to have a place for both parties at the end of life.

It's something that I believe because of the immortal soul.

I am glad though and have hope in God getting what he desires - none to perish.

All in love and respect,
Matthew

he tells us though

he who believes is not condemned

he who does not believe is condemned already

at the great white thrown judgment, were are the condemned sent?

 

[CadyandZoe]

@Eternally Grateful

That is a good question.

I have no idea why God is gonna raise up unbelievers and believers. He seems to have a place for both parties at the end of life.

It's something that I believe because of the immortal soul.

I am glad though and have hope in God getting what he desires - none to perish.

All in love and respect,
Matthew

Something else to bear in mind.
Because of the Evangelistic style of men such as Charles Finney, and Billy Graham, Christians tend to think of Salvation in terms of "the decision." And naturally, the question arises, "Is is possible for the Decision to be recanted or rescinded?"

In fact, the Bible doesn't actually teach "The Decision." Instead, the Bible teaches that salvation is the work of God, that it is a process, and that the process will never be interrupted or thwarted in any way.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful,

While I doubt Satan is still around today and defeated.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

Satan is powerful and we should not be decieved to think he and his army is not around today.. He is not yet bound, that is a future event, after the great tribulation where he is bound in the bottomless pit

It is with-in our capabilities as Creations of God - to be able to think, and act. It's up to people to seek out for God, and God loves you and cares about you just like any other person who is not even in the realm of belief as of yet. Therefore the scriptures mentions falling away, and no one can say no you can't leave the faith, in my opinion but that is my opinion. The thought occured to me recently, it was like standing on a mountain with light, and looking down to jump into the abyss of darkness, and my choice was to stand with the Lord who is the way and the truth, and the light, some people can throw it away. Just look at when Jesus was tempted by Satan. (I believe people can be adversity, and our own thoughts can be adversity to our faith), I am not trying to get anyone to doubt God... it's just human nature to think and act, on ones desires, and people can it's just simple as that, unless you are someone who is a robot and has not choice what so ever, and hope that you can fully understand this message.

All the best, in Love,
Matthew

scripture can not contradict itself

God can;t say you have eternal life. you will never die, and you will live forever. he even gave you the spirit as a pledge.

then tell you you can fall away and lose salvation.

You can fall away from the gospel before it has saved you

you can try this new thing (christianity) and then go back to your old self (the law) but you do this, because the law is where you true faith was to begin with.. You don;t go back to something you do not trust..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Ritajanice

Eventually you must leave the doctrines of Christ, Hebrews 6:1.

I already know these things, and there are people out there who do not, those are the ones whom you should share who are wanting to know more about God, and the rebirth of being born again.

Thank you for understanding,
Matthew

do you really know those things though?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Hello to you and welcome,

What does the bible say about?

You can quote any passage you want to prove your point.

There are people who believe God chooses you and that is it. Nothing you ever even did to choose.

What are your thoughts about that?

Did you choose to accept God as a reality in faith? Or did God just choose you and you had nothing to do with it, and you are sanctified with no effort in allowing God to work in your heart and mind?

Some people do not even believe they have a free will.

However, whatever you express, you will not be condemned or looked down upon just because you may see differently than myself.

From my perspective, just claiming Jesus, doesn't mean anything. Just claiming faith doesn't mean anything, without works of love.

However ... what does the bible say?

Love to you,
Matthew

>>We are born spiritually blind. We are incapable of removing the veil of blindness. <<
God draws you to Himself through a series of events and people that come into your life to prepare you for that divine appointment. You become willing , when before you weren't at all interested.
Before I became a Christian, Christians would witness to me and I would say, "No thank you"... I just wasn't ready yet, not until I was 35 years old. God enabled me to come, put one person in my life that invited me to Church and answered my questions little by little _ gently _ not forcing His way. I heard the Spirit-filled Pastor preach and he made scripture sound relevant to me personally and applicable today's world and I started believing. "Yeah ... this makes sense ... He captured my interest, persuaded me, enough to want to come back. I did and then after a few weeks decided to buckled down and buy a Bible find out more about Jesus. I started reading the New Testament and began to believe (because He already removed that veil). I had doubts, but in time The Lord corrected them. Within a couple months, I received the Lord with an open heart and eagerness for a meaningful relationship. I didn't prepare my way for that moment - no way!
GOD CHOSE ME FIRST, then persuaded me with His Word and just the way that things were all coming together, not by chance coincidence, it was orchestrated _ I realized it and THEN SAID OK. Once He removed that being of blindness ( which I by myself could not) He enlightened me, I could see and then I chose to continue the journey.
It doesn't happen that way for everyone. Everyone has a different testimony. Some were brought up with Christian parents and don't really remember a time when they did not believe. Or maybe they hated church and were rebellious teenagers ... because they weren't ready. God needed to put them through some life experiences and eventually bring them to a place where they surrendered their ways. Not everyone wants to get off their throne. They want to be in charge and so for them, the seed is thrown on rocky or shallow soil, it isn't nourished because their hearts aren't really repentant snd it doesn't grow deep roots. This is partially why some have weak faith. God does give measures of faith according to His purpose. He knew Jerimiah before he was born. What does that mean? His plan, intentions, purpose for Him was to be a prophet and do exactly what He wanted Him to do. Though we have many faults and blonders, He factors them into His plan and all things work together for good.
We must nourish the seed that was planted, water it with the Word, and desire a relationship with God, putting that on top, get off out throne and allow Him to direct our lives. If you don't read your Bible, you simply won't grow in faith.
Jesus asked the Jews (who already had a measure of faith), "Where is your faith?" Obviously many Jews that were brought up with the Word still had weak faith. The Pharisees were sitting on their thrones prideful and unwilling to get down from them. His sheep heard His voice. His sheep were chosen and prepared for their divine appointment. It doesn't mean that those who rejected Jesus didn't later change their minds. They could have become sheep at a later time in life. There was always hope for them ... until they died.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Something else to bear in mind.
Because of the Evangelistic style of men such as Charles Finney, and Billy Graham, Christians tend to think of Salvation in terms of "the decision." And naturally, the question arises, "Is is possible for the Decision to be recanted or rescinded?"

In fact, the Bible doesn't actually teach "The Decision." Instead, the Bible teaches that salvation is the work of God, that it is a process, and that the process will never be interrupted or thwarted in any way.

well one must make a decision (john 1: 12, but as many as have recieved him... John 3 : whoever believes)

but some make a decision to believe yet have not truly repented.

ie, Billy graham, Many made a decision to say some prayer. But they never repented and came to true faith.

thus many in a matter opf just days, recanted their prayer. because they never really believed. it was done in a moment of emotion..