One baptism. Not two.

[Eternally Grateful]

There is only one baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is Spirit baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. *Also see John 4:10,14; 7:37 for the word drink(s).

Amen, By one spirit.. not by one pastor

and we were baptized into the body. not in water

 

[Taken]

All you have to do is read the original Greek. The word is in not by. It ain't that complicated.

TY. Greek speak not my first language.
* Of the Lord God, clearly revealed in scripture.
* By the Lord God, clearly revealed in scripture.
* Through the Lord God, clearly revealed in scripture
* With the Lord God, clearly revealed in scripture.
* Without the Lord God, clearly revealed in scripture.
* In the Lord God, clearly revealed in scripture.
* The Lord God with a man, clearly revealed in scripture.
* The Lord God without a man, clearly revealed in scripture.
* The Lord God In a man, clearly revealed in Scripture.

Point being…Every Offering, Every Works of the Lord God…IS By, Through, Of the Lord God Himself.

What individual men Freely Choose at any given time (during their natural bodily living life-time)…Determines the EFFECT of the Lord God (BY, THROUGH, OF the Lord God) upon or in That individual man.

Scriptures regarding application of God harmonize.
Scriptures regarding application of a man CAN BE LIMITED.

For example…
God can be WITH a man, but NOT IN a man.
God can be WITH a man, AND LEAVE that man.
When a man has RECEIVED ALL the Lord God has OFFERED, and GIVEN the man;
by, through, of the Lord God, Once and Forever that man IS Assuredly Secure “WITH” the Lord God and Assuredly Secure the Lord God Forever “WITH” that man.

The Understanding OF SUCH an Assuredly Secure status Position of that man IS:
Such a Assuredly Secure status Position IS POSSIBLE ONLY….according to the totality;
BY, THROUGH, OF the Lord God Himself.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So you believe Paul wasn't baptised in water like Christ...interesting.

why would you think he thought this?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You all really need to read and study Romans 6!

I see why you play down the ritual, "I get it!" but its not what the Apostle Paul did in his teaching! You need to acknowledge this in keeping with the Inspired Word. Paul believed total immersion was required to fulfill the symbol of burial. A burial pre-supposes that death has already occurred, so that baptism (like the sign of circumcision in the flesh) is really only the outward manifestation of an inward conviction.

Why would you diminish the outward, if it dramatizes what has already occurred within?!

The gospel message must affect a person, that he/she recognises the need to destroy the impact of sin in their life. Such "hearing of the Word" as Rom 10:17 energises faith and removes ignorance. Can it remove the ignorance here that water baptism is the question?

In a way baptism can be likened to the seal on the Lords tomb! Mat 27:60,66, baptism is a seal of faith "placed upon" the person submitting to Christ and which confirms the death of the one within.

I've never understood modern Christians fixation with water baptism, as though they have found some hidden wisdom not already taught!

Move on in faith!

F2F

Actually you need to study romans 6

Paul said we were baptized INTO Christ and his death

He does not say we were baptized into water as A SYMBOL.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A major issue for the Modern Christian is Romans 6:4

Therefore we are buried with him by (water) baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life

Those words "that like" should ring in the ears of every Christian in this forum.

The whole baptismal event is designed to elevate the Father in honor and praise and here we have members poo pooing it.

Wow....its a lack of understanding really.
F2F

You added the word water

shame on you

 

[face2face]

Instead of laughing..@face2face ...why not discuss the topic at hand.

I’m up for it are you?

At least tell me why you think my post is funny..it’s called communication?

The first step is what?...I ask again.

For a start @face2face what is God’s word saying here?

When the Apostle Paul spoke of salvation, as a probation, this is what he had to say:

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

And he wrote of Christ also:

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.

So what do you think I would say about your responses?

Rita says:

The first step is initiated by God, he in his mercy and grace decides who he births in the Spirit..we don’t choose to become Born Again.....it’s not an act that any human can perform, being birthed in the Spirit..it’s an act of God,Through the power of the Holy Spirit ..imo/ belief

Now who am I going to listen to in terms of Baptism being a first step to work out ones salvation with fear and trembling just as my Lord did during his probation.

Now, its not entirely your fault Rita; you have swallowed bitter wine which has made you drunk on the teachings of men.

Get back to the Word of God and pout that strong drink far from you!

F2F

 

[face2face]

Actually you need to study romans 6

Paul said we were baptized INTO Christ and his death

He does not say we were baptized into water as A SYMBOL.

Tyr explaining the ritual of Baptism to me...what does it represent?
I'm sure you will get there!
F2F

 

[face2face]

Apostle Paul was Baptized in the Holy Spirit, to which he refers as "one baptism" = the One that Counts

You never answered all those questions David - your avoidence is noted.
F2F

 

[face2face]

You added the word water

shame on you

Now we are getting to the point - I get it, you want to remove water from Baptism. Just to be sure can you confirm for all in this thread you are implying the word Baptism in Romans 6 only relates to the Spirit.

This should be good....I dare you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When the Apostle Paul spoke of salvation, as a probation, this is what he had to say:

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

Work out YOUR SALVATION

They were already saved. Paul said work out the salvation that is IN YOU

And he wrote of Christ also:

In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence.

So what do you think I would say about your responses?

Rita says:

The first step is initiated by God, he in his mercy and grace decides who he births in the Spirit..we don’t choose to become Born Again.....it’s not an act that any human can perform, being birthed in the Spirit..it’s an act of God,Through the power of the Holy Spirit ..imo/ belief

Now who am I going to listen to in terms of Baptism being a first step to work out ones salvation with fear and trembling just as my Lord did during his probation.

Now, its not entirely your fault Rita; you have swallowed bitter wine which has made you drunk on the teachings of men.

Get back to the Word of God and pout that strong drink far from you!

F2F

wow Dude, You have alot of Pride!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Tyr explaining the ritual of Baptism to me...what does it represent?
I'm sure you will get there!
F2F

what does the rituaL REPRESENT?

I think Paul said it best. Baptism, Like OT circumcision represents the washing which is performed By God.. The circumcision done without the hands of men.. through baptism performed by the one who raised god from the dead.

A ritual can not save you. The actual act of God baptizing you into Christ and his death saves you.

Again, You have alot of pride my friend.. You need to break yourself as the tax collector did

 

[face2face]

wow Dude, You have alot of Pride!

People say things like this when they don't have an answer to the truth they have been shown. If this is the answer to your own hope which is in you,you might as well move right along.

 

[face2face]

what does the rituaL REPRESENT?

Yes, provide the symbolic meaning of Baptism.

I think Paul said it best. Baptism, Like OT circumcision represents the washing which is performed By God.. The circumcision done without the hands of men.. through baptism performed by the one who raised god from the dead.

Hold on "raised god from the dead"....are you sober?

A ritual can not save you. The actual act of God baptizing you into Christ and his death saves you.

So baptism into water which is symbolic of being Baptised into Christ's death and resurrection. The water is simply the medium that demonstrates the dying and being raised to newness of life.

Again, You have alot of pride my friend.. You need to break yourself as the tax collector did

When shown truth you perceive my boasting in a true knowledge of Christ and his Baptism as pride!

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now we are getting to the point - I get it, you want to remove water from Baptism. Just to be sure can you confirm for all in this thread you are implying the word Baptism in Romans 6 only relates to the Spirit.

This should be good....I dare you

You dare me?

Baptize is not even a native english word, It is a transliteration of the greek word Baptize. where they removerd the o and replaced it with an E.

in the greek. Baptizo means to immerse, to plunge, to place into.

What one is placed into however is not sho0wn in the word itself.

One can baptize in water (as apposed to dipping or sprinking)

Israel was baptized into Moses

Romans 6 says we were baptized (placed into) into Christ

Romans 6 says we were baptized (placed into) his death,

1 Cor 12 says we were baptized (placed into) into one body

Gal 3 says we were baptized (placed into ) Christ Jesus

You see water where there is no water.

Before you start bashing people. You better study yourself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

People say things like this when they don't have an answer to the truth they have been shown. If this is the answer to your own hope which is in you,you might as well move right along.

I have answered every question you have asked.

I am just pointing out a truth. Your pride runs deep

 

[face2face]

They were already saved. Paul said work out the salvation that is IN YOU

Hmmm a contradiction!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, provide the symbolic meaning of Baptism.

A symbol does not save

Hold on "raised god from the dead"....are you sober?

12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Are you lost?

So baptism into water which is symbolic of being Baptised into Christ's death and resurrection. The water is simply the medium that demonstrates the dying and being raised to newness of life.

yes, it is a symbol of the very act GOD does when you are saved.

When shown truth you perceive my boasting in a true knowledge of Christ and his Baptism as pride!

F2F

lol.. You think you know it all. that is pride. the pharisees thought they knew it all also.

in pride they refused to repent.

 

[face2face]

You see water where there is no water.

Are you being dishonest?

Why don't you say Romans 6 is not water about a water baptism.

If that is what you believe, say it!

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Hmmm a contradiction!

Nope

work out is actually used as a mining term. the miners would work out the gems which were in the dirt. so it could be usefull

Paul is saying work out the salvation that is in you. so you can be a light int he world..

 

[Ritajanice]

A symbol does not save

12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

Are you lost?

yes, it is a symbol of the very act GOD does when you are saved.



lol.. You think you know it all. that is pride. the pharisees thought they knew it all also.

in pride they refused to repent.

Brother, I think he’s a troll. look at the way he engages with us..I think it best we ignore him.