The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

[Jack]

Do you really think Paul would object and criticize me for obeying God commandments? Do you think my obedience is not bearing fruit for God? If obedience isn't a fruit or result of God's doing, where does it come from, knowing we can't do it of our own selves?

Which commandments? The Law of Moses or the NT? I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law. Galatians is clearly explaining that we are not under the Law, period. We have the New Covenant that Jesus shed His Blood for.

Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

 

[Brakelite]

If you are saying we must obey the Law of Moses then that would include executing gays, adulterers and those who work on weekends. Those were COMMANDS.

I don't remember mentioning Moses once. I'm talking about the law of God... The Ten Commandments written on stone, and transcribed by the Spirit upon the NT believers' heart and mind.

 

[Brakelite]

Which commandments? The Law of Moses or the NT? I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law. Galatians is clearly explaining that we are not under the Law, period. We have the New Covenant that Jesus shed His Blood for.

Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

You don't know anyone who obeys the 7th commandment? You need to talk to your wife about that.

 

[Jack]

I don't remember mentioning Moses once. I'm talking about the law of God... The Ten Commandments written on stone, and transcribed by the Spirit upon the NT believers' heart and mind.

The Ten Commandments are in the Law of Moses.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Which commandments? The Law of Moses or the NT? I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law. Galatians is clearly explaining that we are not under the Law, period. We have the New Covenant that Jesus shed His Blood for.

Galatians 5:1-4 (NKJV)
1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

There is no such thing as the law of Moses.

 

[Jack]

You don't know anyone who obeys the 7th commandment?

Please stop twisting my comments. 'The Law' is clearly 'the Law of Moses'. I.E. circumcision

You need to talk to your wife about that.

Please explain your comment about my wife.

 

[Jack]

There is no such thing as the law of Moses.

Luke 24
44 Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."

 

[ButterflyJones]

Luke 24
44 Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."

Moses was the deliverer of the laws of God.

 

[Brakelite]

Please explain your comment about my wife.

The comment wasn't about your wife, it was about you...

I don't know of anyone who obeys the Law. Galatians is clearly explaining that we are not under the Law, period.

It seems to me that you believe you are now free to to ignore the law.

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

That the liberty Paul of speaking of, you seem to think that means you are no longer obliged to obey the law. So...

KJV Exodus 20:14
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

You need to explain to your wife why the law no longer applies to your marriage.

 

[Jack]

The comment wasn't about your wife, it was about you...

"You need to talk to your wife about that."

It seems to me that you believe you are now free to to ignore the law.

Actually, I'm free from the Law.

That the liberty Paul of speaking of, you seem to think that means you are no longer obliged to obey the law. So...

KJV Exodus 20:14
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

I'll stick with the New Covenant.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

You need to explain to your wife why the law no longer applies to your marriage.

Why are you still talking about my wife and my marriage? You know ZERO about us.

 

[Jim B]

Odd isn't it? How those opposed to the 10 commands Jesus reiterates claim they only now need the guidance of his Holy Spirit?

They don't know the Holy Spirit gave life and voice to the 10 commands. And they still apply.

But not for those who think they don't. Which means they can murder, steal, become polytheists, lie, disrespect their parents and condemn the Sabbath.

Clearly, you are out of your mind. The Bible says "When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own but will speak whatever he hears, and he will declare to you the things that are to come." John 16:13

Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code.

If you need to be guided by written rules you are rejecting Christ.

 

[Jim B]

Paul taught obedience to the law.

It would be rather odd to also know he taught obedience to government and mans laws, Romans 13, but would insist we do not have to obey God's.

Paul taught obedience to the law?

Again, Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code.

 

[Jim B]

some just don't like to believe that the Bible has any rules in it.

others just hate the word Commandment.

interesting how pride goes hand-in-hand with so many who reject the Commandments.

Of course the Bible has rules in it. That is the basis of the Old Covenant. They apply to all who have not been born again and received the Holy Spirit.

Interesting how pride goes hand-in-hand with so many who accept the Commandments.

 

[Jack]

Odd isn't it? How those opposed to the 10 commands Jesus reiterates claim they only now need the guidance of his Holy Spirit?

9 of the 10 are in the New Covenant. No Sabbath commands.

They don't know the Holy Spirit gave life and voice to the 10 commands. And they still apply.

Do you obey the Law?

Exodus 31:15
15 Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

But not for those who think they don't. Which means they can murder, steal, become polytheists, lie, disrespect their parents and condemn the Sabbath.

Nice Fairy Tale.

 

[Jack]

okay ... and these folks here who obeyed the 4th (Sabbath) Commandment after Jesus had already died on the Cross:

Luke 23:54-56

how bout them?

still under the Law?

Of course. Jesus hadn't shed His Blood for the New Covenant yet.

 

[Jim B]

okay ... and these folks here who obeyed the 4th (Sabbath) Commandment after Jesus had already died on the Cross:

Luke 23:54-56

how bout them?

still under the Law?

Of course.

Luke 23:54-56..

"It was the day of Preparation, and the Sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned and prepared spices and ointments.

On the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment."

That is what Jews do, as it is part of the Old Covenant.

Jesus had not yet been resurrected and the Holy Spirit given.

Colossians 2:16-17, "Therefore, do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food or[b] drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or Sabbaths. These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the body belongs to Christ."

It is very sad that you don't understand the New Covenant. Was Christ sacrificed for nothing?

Romans 7:4-6, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."

You can continue to deny what the Bible clearly says, but I believe God's word. Why don't you?

 

[Jack]

"Sin is transgression against the law." That's a NT statement. "The wages of sin is death." That's also a NT statement. We don't have to kill sinners, whatever they deserve they will in the end receive. God has promised justice. So those who disobey God's commandments will die the second death. See Romans 6:23. That's why we preach the gospel. So people escape the second death through faith in the atonement and trust in the power of God to recreate is in the image of Christ... Who obeyed all His Father's commandments.

The Law COMMANDS to execute gays, adulterers, rebellious children and those who work on weekends. Whom do you know that obeys these COMMANDS? Do you obey the Law or just preach the parts you like? Christians stick with the New Covenant.

Galatians 3:10-11
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them."
11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith."

 

[Jim B]

Do you really think Paul would object and criticize me for obeying God commandments? Do you think my obedience is not bearing fruit for God? If obedience isn't a fruit or result of God's doing, where does it come from, knowing we can't do it of our own selves?

Why are you twisting the discussion?

"For freedom Christ has set us free. Stand firm, therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." Galatians 5:1

Paul is referring to the OT law here, to which some are still enslaved. What is it that you don't understand about freedom? Christ died to set us free from the tyranny of the OT law. Otherwise He died for nothing.

Does anyone who has received the Holy Spirit need to be told not to kill, not to steal, commit adultery, or worship idols? Of course not! It is in our nature not to do these things!

 

[Jack]

Do you really think Paul would object and criticize me for obeying God commandments? Do you think my obedience is not bearing fruit for God? If obedience isn't a fruit or result of God's doing, where does it come from, knowing we can't do it of our own selves?

Paul would "criticize" you for picking the parts of the Law you like and ignoring the rest.

 

[M3n0r4h]

There was a transition period. Many didn't know, so they followed the Law of Moses. But we know. Lots of Law preachers but no doers of the Law. Would you execute your family for working on weekends? Or do you just pick the parts of the Law that you like?

Galatians 3:10
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse;

so your silly theory is that those who walked right beside Jesus Christ and were taught from His mouth to their ears were clueless about what He expected of them after His Crucifixion?

I see you blushing about that one.

it's okay, I'd be embarrassed too if I'd suggested something that ridiculous.

wanna try again?