Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

[Matthias]

Ah.... the ever-present "Ignore feature" -- Often mentioned, seldom (actually) used.

I love irony.

He demands an answer from me, then commands me not to answer. I can’t help but laugh at that.

More irony.

I’m accused of denying the deity of Jesus Christ. My God is the deity of Jesus Christ.

With malice toward none, let every one be persuaded in his or her own mind.

 

[RLT63]

That, in and of itself-should tell you why he is desperate to deny the Deity of Christ Jesus.
The ignore feature is a handy tool brother-some are here to learn, to appreciate what our Lord Christ Jesus has accomplished for us on the cross and His glorious resurrection- and still doing through the Holy Spirit.
I am still learning and excited-desiring to share with my brothers and sisters-but there are troublemakers, scoffers, frivolous and just want to pontificate.
Shalom
Johann.

I would not count my friend @Matthias among those. We respectfully disagree about some things

 

[Johann]

I would not count my friend @Matthias among those. We respectfully disagree about some things

Let me put it to you this way-he might be a friend of yours-but not a friend of mine-I am in SA-he in Kentucky and I am very selective with online members on the Internet.
Johann.

 

[RLT63]

Let me put it to you this way-he might be a friend of yours-but not a friend of mine-I am in SA-he in Kentucky and I am very selective with online members on the Internet.
Johann.

Well I enjoy many of your posts and have no intention of getting in your business or telling you what to do

 

[Wrangler]

3 Jesus was crucified for claiming equality to God

Untrue. Jesus 'great I am' statement is claiming to be the Messiah, which is the reason he was actually crucified.


High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: 62 I am.
Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)

 

[RLT63]

Untrue. Jesus 'great I am' statement is claiming to be the Messiah, which is the reason he was actually crucified.


High Priest: Are You God’s Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of the Blessed One?
Jesus: 62 I am.
Mark 14:61-62 (VOICE)

Jhn 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[Matthias]

Jhn 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus said that he ascended to his Father and my Father; to his God and my God (John 20:17).

A hypothetical question: If I were to say to a Jew that God is my Father, would the Jew reply that I have made myself equal with God?

 

[RLT63]

Jesus said that he ascended to his Father and my Father; to his God and my God (John 20:17).

A hypothetical question: If I were to say to a Jew that God is my Father, would the Jew reply that I have made myself equal with God?

If we believe the Bible that’s what they said 2,000 years ago

 

[Matthias]

If we believe the Bible that’s what they said 2,000 years ago

I’m not questioning that that’s what they said to him 2,000 years ago.

Let me jump in the Wayback machine and rephrase the hypothetical.

I’ve travelled back in time (without Mr. Peabody and Sherman) approximately 2,000 years. I’m living in 1st century Judea, around the year 30 AD.

I’m having a conversation with fellow Jews. I believe Jesus is the Messiah. (I’m one of his disciples.) The Jews I’m speaking with don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah.

I say to these particular Jews, “God is my Father.” Do they reply to me, “You‘re making yourself equal with God”?

 

[RLT63]

I’m not questioning that that’s what they said to him 2,000 years ago.

Let me jump in the Wayback machine and rephrase the hypothetical.

I’ve travelled back in time (without Mr. Peabody and Sherman) approximately 2,000 years. I’m living in 1st century Judea, around the year 30 AD.

I’m having a conversation with fellow Jews. I believe Jesus is the Messiah. (I’m one of his disciples.) The Jews I’m speaking with don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah.

I say to these particular Jews, “God is my Father.” Do they reply to me, “You‘re making yourself equal with God”?

If they’re Pharisees probably, but I really can’t say with any certainty

 

[Matthias]

If they’re Pharisees probably, but I really can’t say with any certainty

Let’s say for the sake of (forbidden?) discussion that it is their reply to me.

Are they right?

 

[RLT63]

Let’s say for the sake of (forbidden?) discussion that it is their reply to me.

Are they right?

In your case no.

 

[Matthias]

In your case no.

So the enemies of the Messiah and his disciples are wrong in the hypothetical about a disciple of the Messiah but right about the Messiah?

 

[RLT63]

So the enemies of the Messiah and his disciples are wrong in the hypothetical about a disciple of the Messiah but right about the Messiah?

It really pressed their buttons. Why was this detail important enough to be included in the scriptures?

 

[Matthias]

It really pressed their buttons. Why was this detail important enough to be included in the scriptures?

It’s a reliable account of what transpired. These particular Jews, not all Jews, were enemies of a particular fellow Jew (and his Jewish disciples.) What we’re reading about is a confrontation where all parties involved, both sides, are Jews.

Is the Messiah equal with God? Yes. Both sides of this Jewish quarrel would have been in agreement about that. You and I are in agreement that the Messiah is equal with God.

What’s the problem then?

This is a Jewish argument over authority and identification.

Who made Jesus of Nazareth the Messiah?

His enemies said that he did. I say that God did.

His enemies would not agree with me.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

He was telling them that he is his God’s promised messiah.

He said, "Before Abraham existed, I Am" That was a reference to
Exodus 3:14, in God's introduction to Moses: Tell them "I Am" sent me to you. It was the Pre-incarnate Christ Himself who spoke to Moses.
Later He would reveal Himself fully as the Great I Am.
I am the Way, the Truth and the Life ...
I am the Bread of Life
I am the Door
I am the Good Shepherd
I am the Resurrection ...
I am He ...
I am the Alpha and Omega ...

> IF Jesus wasn't God, He would not take all that credit above. Jesus would not draw any attention to himself, he would have given all the glory to his Father. He would not claim to be the source of Salvation, nor claim the ability to forgive and wash away sins. He would have said believe in God only. He would not receive worship. No knee would ever be required to bow to him, he would have required all to bow to God only.

Listen a mere man or angel cannot take away the sins of the world. We are talking about trillions of sins, sins that He was aware of, past present and future - only God can do that.
Jesus has ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. ONLY GOD CAN HANDLE THAT! One would have to be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent to handle that, which is how we define God.

 

[Johann]

I’m not questioning that that’s what they said to him 2,000 years ago.

Let me jump in the Wayback machine and rephrase the hypothetical.

I’ve travelled back in time (without Mr. Peabody and Sherman) approximately 2,000 years. I’m living in 1st century Judea, around the year 30 AD.

I’m having a conversation with fellow Jews. I believe Jesus is the Messiah. (I’m one of his disciples.) The Jews I’m speaking with don’t believe Jesus is the Messiah.

I say to these particular Jews, “God is my Father.” Do they reply to me, “You‘re making yourself equal with God”?

That's why the rabbis and Sanhedrin wanted to stone Christ-making Himself to be equal with God-since He IS God.
This is illogical fallacy from your side.

Ho kurion mou kai ho theos mou-who said that? And if you know-how are you going to "reason" this away.
Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach said to them, Omein, omein, I say to you, before Avraham came into being, Ani Hu. [SHEMOT 3:4; 6:3; YESHAYAH 41:4; 43:10,13]

Who is Christ?

Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling forth the dorot from the beginning? I Hashem, the Rishon (First), and with the Acharonim (Last ones); I am He.


Isa 43:10 Ye are My edim (witnesses), saith Hashem. And Avdi whom I have chosen; so that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that Ani Hu (I am He); before Me there was no El formed, neither shall there be after Me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am Hashem; and apart from Me there is no Moshi’a.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have proclaimed, when there was no zar (foreign) [g-d] among you; therefore you [plural] are My edim (witnesses), saith Hashem, that I am El.

Isa 43:13 Yes, before the yom was, Ani Hu (I am He); and there is none that can deliver out of My Yad; I work, and who shall reverse it?

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Then they took up stones that they might stone him, but Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was hidden and departed out of the Beis Hamikdash. [Ex 17:4; Lv 24:16; 1Sm 30:6]

Why?
Johann.

 

[RLT63]

He said, "Before Abraham existed, I Am" That was a reference to
Exodus 3:14, in God's introduction to Moses: Tell them "I Am" sent me to you. It was the Pre-incarnate Christ Himself who spoke to Moses.
Later He would reveal Himself as the Great I Am.
I am the Way, the Truth and the Life ...
I am the Bread of Life
I am the Door
I am the Good Shepherd
I am the Resurrection ...
I am He ...
I am the Alpha and Omega ...

> IF Jesus wasn't God, He would not take all that credit above. Jesus would not draw any attention to himself, he would have given all the glory to his Father. He would not claim to be the source of Salvation, nor claim the ability to forgive and wash away sins. He would have said believe in God only. He would not receive worship. No knee would ever be required to bow to him, he would have required all to bow to God only.

Listen a mere man or angel cannot take away the sins of the world. We are talking about trillions of sins, sins that He was aware of, past present and future - only God can do that.
Jesus has ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. ONLY GOD CAN HANDLE THAT! One would have to be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent to handle that, which is how we define God.

@Matthias - looks like we’re down to Final Jeopardy Alex

 

[Matthias]

He said, "Before Abraham existed, I Am" That was a reference to
Exodus 3:14, in God's introduction to Moses: Tell them "I Am" sent me to you. It was the Pre-incarnate Christ Himself who spoke to Moses.
Later He would reveal Himself as the Great I Am.
I am the Way, the Truth and the Life ...
I am the Bread of Life
I am the Door
I am the Good Shepherd
I am the Resurrection ...
I am He ...
I am the Alpha and Omega ...

> IF Jesus wasn't God, He would not take all that credit above. Jesus would not draw any attention to himself, he would have given all the glory to his Father. He would not claim to be the source of Salvation, nor claim the ability to forgive and wash away sins. He would have said believe in God only. He would not receive worship. No knee would ever be required to bow to him, he would have required all to bow to God only.

Listen a mere man or angel cannot take away the sins of the world. We are talking about trillions of sins, sins that He was aware of, past present and future - only God can do that.
Jesus has ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. ONLY GOD CAN HANDLE THAT! One would have to be omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent to handle that, which is how we define God.

It’s not readily apparent to me that you understand that Jesus is God in my theology.

 

[Matthias]

That's why the rabbis and Sanhedrin wanted to stone Christ-making Himself to be equal with God-since He IS God.
This is illogical fallacy from your side.

Ho kurion mou kai ho theos mou-who said that? And if you know-how are you going to "reason" this away.
Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach said to them, Omein, omein, I say to you, before Avraham came into being, Ani Hu. [SHEMOT 3:4; 6:3; YESHAYAH 41:4; 43:10,13]

Who is Christ?

Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling forth the dorot from the beginning? I Hashem, the Rishon (First), and with the Acharonim (Last ones); I am He.


Isa 43:10 Ye are My edim (witnesses), saith Hashem. And Avdi whom I have chosen; so that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that Ani Hu (I am He); before Me there was no El formed, neither shall there be after Me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am Hashem; and apart from Me there is no Moshi’a.
Isa 43:12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have proclaimed, when there was no zar (foreign) [g-d] among you; therefore you [plural] are My edim (witnesses), saith Hashem, that I am El.

Isa 43:13 Yes, before the yom was, Ani Hu (I am He); and there is none that can deliver out of My Yad; I work, and who shall reverse it?

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Then they took up stones that they might stone him, but Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach was hidden and departed out of the Beis Hamikdash. [Ex 17:4; Lv 24:16; 1Sm 30:6]

Why?
Johann.

Who is Christ? Jesus of Nazareth.