Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

[amigo de christo]

You keep spouting about the "all inclusive liberal social gospel" but have never defined what that is. It's just catchy jargon and self-glorification but really means nothing.

And I never said "How dare ye tell the church that homosexuality or abortion is sin". That is a total lie (even if it was written correctly). Remember, Ananias died when he lied. You're lucky you escaped!

You whine everytime i make a mention of it .
SO how about you explain to me WHY IT IS YOU BELIEVE the muslims worship the same GOD we do JIM .
CAUSE YOU SAID THIS .

 

[Jim B]

Yep . I know that . ITS those who try and imply MUSLIMS and OTHER RELIGOINS
are serving the same GOD we do that have no UNDERSTANDING at alll jim .
KNOW anyone like that do ya .
IF EVEN the unbeliving jews were told by JESUS ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL .
want on earth makes you think the muslims who preach another jesus , dont even BELIEVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
OR THE SON OF GOD , FOLLOWS GOD JIM . YOU have bought a LIE big time .
ITS ME who continually points to JESUS CHRIST .

I'm sorry but I won't spend the time deciphering your abysmal English. Besides, I've read your posts before, so I know what you're saying. You're like a broken record, looping the same "noise" over and over and over ... ad nauseam!

 

[Ritajanice]

You wine everytime i make a mention of it .
SO how about you explain to me WHY IT IS YOU BELIEVE the muslims worship the same GOD we do JIM .
CAUSE YOU SAID THIS .

How would you know in “ their heart” that they don’t worship God?

How would you personally know this about all Muslims?

Not looking for an argument...just trying to understand.

Only God knows another’s heart...we don’t....

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm sorry but I won't spend the time deciphering your abysmal English. Besides, I've read your posts before, so I know what you're saying. You're like a broken record, looping the same "noise" over and over and over ... ad nauseam!

You mean to say , you wont stop believing that lie that muslims and christians serve the same GOD .
All of a sudden my english became the problem again .
See i watch you jim . I have watched you well my friend . You are believing deadly and dangerous things my friend .
And i am just trying to help .

 

[Jim B]

You wine everytime i make a mention of it .
SO how about you explain to me WHY IT IS YOU BELIEVE the muslims worship the same GOD we do JIM .
CAUSE YOU SAID THIS .

I am not drinking wine!

Muslims do worship the same God as Christians and Jews. If you don't know that, well ... now you do.

Allah is the standard Arabic word for God and is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as by Muslims.

 

[Jim B]

You mean to say , you wont stop believing that lie that muslims and christians serve the same GOD .
All of a sudden my english became the problem again .
See i watch you jim . I have watched you well my friend . You are believing deadly and dangerous things my friend .
And i am just trying to help .

LOL!!! You're not trying to help me, you just spouting incoherent garbage while trying to make yourself look good. It's very sad!

 

[amigo de christo]

How would you know in “ their heart” that they don’t worship God?

How would you personally know this about all Muslims?

Not looking for an argument...just trying to understand.

Only God knows another’s heart...we don’t....

Very simple . if they love not CHRIST , they love not GOD . How do i know that .
JESUS SAID IT . That is how i know it .
No man , BY THE SPIRIT calls JESUS accursed .
AND THOSE and only BY THE SPIRIT can one call HIM LORD .
WE cant be buying into this ye dont know their heart .
I KNOW THEY DONT WORSHIP CHRIST . THUS I KNOW THEY DONT WORSHIP GOD .
JESUS made this so clear to even the jews.
ALL who are of GOD COME TO HIM . not budda , not muslim , not hindu
TO JESUS . THIS IS HOW you will KNOW .
Look , when i was in boy scouts i did lots of good things .
I did lots of good things . Took care of the elderly .
we were taught to love our neighbor , to do good things .
BUT I WAS NOT SAVED , DID NOT KNOW GOD . nor do they .
ALL WHO ARE OF GOD WILL COME TO CHRIST . AND any one who denies HIM , REJECTS HIM
refuses to BELIEVE ON HIM . JESUS WOULD HAVE SAID YE ARE NOT MY SHEEP .
THEY are not of GOD . ANY ex muslim WHO came to CHRIST would tell you HIS OLD RELIGION WAS FALSE and A LIE
JUST as would anyone else who truly now BELIEVES ON CHRIST . THIS Other mindset of today is false

 

[amigo de christo]

I am not drinking wine!

Muslims do worship the same God as Christians and Jews. If you don't know that, well ... now you do.

Allah is the standard Arabic word for God and is used by Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews as well as by Muslims.

ALLAH might be the standard arabic word for GOD . BUT EVEN as with the jews
NOT ALL WHO LIP GOD , are of GOD .
THEY DO NOT recognize JESUS as the CHRIST , they do not recognize Him as the SON OF GOD .
IF EVEN THE JEWS WHO did not recognize JESUS as THE CHRIST were told they were of their father the devil .
SO TOO ARE THE MUSLIMS . EVERYONE at one time
was a child of satan . That my friend is a fact . TRY reading ACTS chapter twenty six .
Paul was sent to the people , jews and to the gentiles to preach JESUS CHRIST , the gospel
TO DELIVER THEM from the POWER of SATAN , OF DARKNESS .
THE MUSLIMS REJECT HIM as MESSIAH . I Know that religoin . THEY are NOT of GOD
and are still serving satan . TIME TO PREACH THE TRUE CHRIST JESUS TO THEM .

 

[amigo de christo]

100% agree with this Brother....Amen!!

Yes and if GOD is the one leading HE WOULD DRAW ONE TO CHRIST not to any other religoin .
GOD draws us TO CHRIST .
Do you remember what JOHN the apostle wrote to the church about anti christs .
WHAT did JOHN say also .
HE who does NOT BELIEVE THE RECORD that GOD GAVE OF HIS SON , IS CALLING GOD A LIAR .
HE who has NOT THE SON has NOT THE FATHER .
WE cannot buy into this other lie . GOD draws one TO CHRIST . Not to lies .

 

[amigo de christo]

Men have the freedom to do whatever they like... or so they believe. If and when they choose anything other than God they are moving in the wrong direction whether they see it or not:

Jos 24:15

And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Joshua was given to understand the only two real choices that any man has always had: Serve God or not.

Jeremiah tells us how it is for the man who is essentially directing or trying to direct his own way:

Jer 10:23

O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Man may be going what he calls his own way, but not in God. If it is not in or for God is not against God? Consider these verses:

Ro 8:31

What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Lu 9:49	And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
Lu 9:50	And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

We do choose Him, but if we are not serious in our direction toward Him will He ever choose us? Choosing Him is ultimately meaningless if He does not choose us!

Jesus chose 12 disciples who would be apostles, but there was one who...

Joh 17:12

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

God has, I believe, foreknowledge, of man's choice, but man makes his choice to let God lead the way or not... If God is not leading, look out!

GOD leads , draws one to WHO . TO THE SON . TO JESUS CHRIST .
Amadeus go back and read the first letter of john .
John was warning the churches in the second chapter and onwards about who is an anti christ .
Who is a liar .
And what did JOHN remind the church concerning those who were trying to seduce them .
HE said this .
IF any believes not the record the testimony that GOD gave OF HIS SON , HE IS CALLING GOD A LIAR . A LIAR amadeus

 

[amadeus]

GOD leads , draws one to WHO . TO THE SON . TO JESUS CHRIST .
Amadeus go back and read the first letter of john .
John was warning the churches in the second chapter and onwards about who is an anti christ .
Who is a liar .
And what did JOHN remind the church concerning those who were trying to seduce them .
HE said this .
IF any believes not the record the testimony that GOD gave OF HIS SON , HE IS CALLING GOD A LIAR . A LIAR amadeus

I really try NOT to condemn groups even though they seemingly have very little of the God. I grew up Catholic with my mother, but had a strong attachment to my father who was Pentecostal Holiness. They were divorced at a time before my memory begins and they lived 1500 miles apart all of my natural life. I began trying to get the best of both church groups... but eventually I was moved away from both of them. God helped me in both places to approach Him.

There are people who are seemingly in hell on earth. I want to help them, and sometimes God allows me to do so. Other times, the door to their hearts are closed and they are unapproachable. Solomon wrote that there is a time to speak and a time to remain silent. God knows always which is for us. We need to be listening to Him all of the time so as to know what to do and what not to do.

If all Catholics, Mormons, JWs, Muslims, and others not in my own "group" [what is that?] were simply evil without a glimmer of hope it could be easier... but it really is not like that. Is it? I came out... as God drew me in His time [1976] Years after I stopped being an active Catholic, God sent a man to me. It was time. A whole lot of water has passed under the bridge since then. I have been a lot a places with people claiming that they were God's places since then... but I have not found a single church or assembly or group where I was able see that their held doctrines were Absolutely and Unquestionably right... at least from my standpoint. From God's?

Jesus alone or God alone or...

For myself, I am on God's side although I still stumble at times. Very often the worst trouble in any of them, for me, has been the taught routine of quenching the Spirit of God instead of allowing the Spirit to lead. Is that not anti-Christ? And those were churches calling themselves Christian.

Mt 24:23	Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mt 24:24	For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[Jim B]

ALLAH might be the standard arabic word for GOD . BUT EVEN as with the jews
NOT ALL WHO LIP GOD , are of GOD .
THEY DO NOT recognize JESUS as the CHRIST , they do not recognize Him as the SON OF GOD .
IF EVEN THE JEWS WHO did not recognize JESUS as THE CHRIST were told they were of their father the devil .
SO TOO ARE THE MUSLIMS . EVERYONE at one time
was a child of satan . That my friend is a fact . TRY reading ACTS chapter twenty six .
Paul was sent to the people , jews and to the gentiles to preach JESUS CHRIST , the gospel
TO DELIVER THEM from the POWER of SATAN , OF DARKNESS .
THE MUSLIMS REJECT HIM as MESSIAH . I Know that religoin . THEY are NOT of GOD
and are still serving satan . TIME TO PREACH THE TRUE CHRIST JESUS TO THEM .

All who lip God? I got a good laugh out of that one!

Regarding your condemnation of the Jews... Jesus was a Jew, so by condemning Jews you're condemning Christ's own people. The entire Bible (with one exception) was written by Jews, all the apostles, including Paul, were Jews, and all the first believers were Jews. (Gentiles came in later).

You judge and condemn everyone! I have news for you: YOU ARE NOT GOD! (SURPRISE!!!) You rant and rave your judgmental pronouncements,(including Christians!) -- why? To make yourself seem important! But you have no idea how you come across to other people. None!

Again -- how many times have I told you? -- here is the truth...

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:16-17 Unless you're better than Jesus and wiser than God, stop your constant condemnation of those whom GOD LOVES!

Here are your own self-condemning words: "IF any believes not the record the testimony that GOD gave OF HIS SON , HE IS CALLING GOD A LIAR ."

 

[Marvelloustime]

GOD leads , draws one to WHO . TO THE SON . TO JESUS CHRIST .
Amadeus go back and read the first letter of john .
John was warning the churches in the second chapter and onwards about who is an anti christ .
Who is a liar .
And what did JOHN remind the church concerning those who were trying to seduce them .
HE said this .
IF any believes not the record the testimony that GOD gave OF HIS SON , HE IS CALLING GOD A LIAR . A LIAR amadeus

 

[amigo de christo]

All who lip God? I got a good laugh out of that one!

Regarding your condemnation of the Jews... Jesus was a Jew, so by condemning Jews you're condemning Christ's own people. The entire Bible (with one exception) was written by Jews, all the apostles, including Paul, were Jews, and all the first believers were Jews. (Gentiles came in later).

You judge and condemn everyone! I have news for you: YOU ARE NOT GOD! (SURPRISE!!!) You rant and rave your judgmental pronouncements,(including Christians!) -- why? To make yourself seem important! But you have no idea how you come across to other people. None!

Again -- how many times have I told you? -- here is the truth...

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life. Indeed, God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved through him." John 3:16-17 Unless you're better than Jesus and wiser than God, stop your constant condemnation of those whom GOD LOVES!

Here are your own self-condemning words: "IF any believes not the record the testimony that GOD gave OF HIS SON , HE IS CALLING GOD A LIAR ."

YOU MEAN THOSE SELF CONDEMING WORDS .
As usual i bring things right from the bible , ONLY you dont recognize it jim .
How about we do that three hour a day read my friend .

 

[Jim B]

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YOU MEAN THOSE SELF CONDEMING WORDS .
As usual i bring things right from the bible , ONLY you dont recognize it jim .
How about we do that three hour a day read my friend .

Do you lispth? What kind of words are "hath" and "believeth"?

Here is a far better (in context) rendering in English: "This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one that testifies, for the Spirit is the truth. There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree. If we receive human testimony, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has testified to his Son. Those who believe in the Son of God have the testimony in their hearts. Those who do not believe in God have made him a liar by not believing in the testimony that God has given concerning his Son. And this is the testimony: God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life." 1 John 5:6-11

So, what is the point of your posting this graphic?

BTW, you most definitely do not "bring things right from the Bible". 99% of your posts are self-righteous condemnation of people whom you have never met, and they rarely contain Scripture. They're just filled with hatred of CHRISTIANS. Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, homosexuals, liberals, and others -- the very people whom God loves. You constantly glorify yourself while judging others. I can't understand why you can't see that!

Finally, I read the Bible (in English) every single day, as much as I am able. I'm not going to change that.

 

[Ritajanice]

 

[JosephZ]

I KNOW THEY DONT WORSHIP CHRIST . THUS I KNOW THEY DONT WORSHIP GOD .
JESUS made this so clear to even the jews.

When trying to answer the question as to whether or not Muslims worship the same God found in the Bible, it's not important what we believe as Christians, it's what the Muslim believes in their hearts and minds. Based on the teachings of both Judaism and Islam a follower of either of these religions will be worshiping the God of Bible because their holy books, the Torah and Qur'an, instruct them to worship the God of Abraham. As Jews and Muslims they may reject the deity of Christ, but that in no way changes who the one true God is, hence, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all worshiping the same God. The God of Abraham. It would be laughable to even think that Jews aren't worshiping the one true God found in the Bible, and it should be equally as laughable to think that Muslims aren't as well since they, like the Jews, can trace their lineage back to Abraham and put their faith into the same God that Abraham did. There's a reason why Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called the Abraham faiths. Same Abraham. Same God. Seems pretty simple to me.

 

[Jim B]

When trying to answer the question as to whether or not Muslims worship the same God found in the Bible, it's not important what we believe as Christians, it's what the Muslim believes in their hearts and minds. Based on the teachings of both Judaism and Islam a follower of either of these religions will be worshiping the God of Bible because their holy books, the Torah and Qur'an, instruct them to worship the God of Abraham. As Jews and Muslims they may reject the deity of Christ, but that in no way changes who the one true God is, hence, Jews, Christians, and Muslims are all worshiping the same God. The God of Abraham. It would be laughable to even think that Jews aren't worshiping the one true God found in the Bible, and it should be equally as laughable to think that Muslims aren't as well since they, like the Jews, can trace their lineage back to Abraham and put their faith into the same God that Abraham did. There's a reason why Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are called the Abraham faiths. Same Abraham. Same God. Seems pretty simple to me.

GREAT POST!!!

I don't think that @amigo will accept what you wrote, as it might just take away from his "gospel" of hatred.

 

[Kermos]

Take good heed and pay close attention . I have always told folks IT was GOD who drew me in .
The problem is some folks just dont like spirit filled reminders . And that we must take heed
EVERY apostel , who we all know were DRAWN TO GOD
sure seemed to also warn and remind the church to HEED the SPIRIT and not the flesh .
TO ABSTAIN from all appearance of evil , they corrected all sin and error .

Then, are you conveying that you made absolutely no choosing toward Jesus?

The Lord Jesus makes it clear:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people, not man choosing God, but truly God choosing man.
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the glorious blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

It is sin to contradict Jesus, so a person saying "I choose Jesus" or "I accept Jesus" is contradicting Jesus.

As the original post shows richly in scripture, there is no such thing as free-will, but natural man possessing a self-will exists leading to damnation (2 Peter 2:9-10).

 

[Behold]

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people, not man choosing God, but truly God choosing man.
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the glorious blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

Yes, Jesus chose those Jewish Apostles to help Him in the ministry.
Thanks for showing us this again, and again.
Good job, .. Kermos.

Looking forward to seeing you post it 30 more times.

Ready?