Was Adam Imparted Free Will From The Beginning Of Creation?

[Johann]

Amen, amen, amen!
Revelation 22:17,
- and the Spirit and the bride say come and let him who hears say come and let him who thrists say come WHOMSOEVER desires, let him take the water of life freely

Powerful, majestic and so wonderful.
And there goes Luther's "Bondage of the will"-or something like that.
Johann.

 

[Kermos]

Already responded to your paste jobs.

You have not responded in Truth (John 14:6), let me remind you.

True. I don't participate in the mantra making of repeating myself just to be heard.


My definition of it applies across all religions and philosophies of men.

Jesus also rebukes mantra making:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

A habit of people that continually read their own ideas into Scripture, is to not really think about their own ideas in light of Scripture, when repeating them to others.

It's the inevitable result of losing disciplined reading of Scripture, as well as not ensuring our teaching does not contradict any Scripture.


I do not at all agree your word is God's word.

If you think being corrected is wicked, then you need to start a blog of your own and just start writing.


Once last pasted mantra, hopefully.

Yikes, you continue practicing the lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23) of calling the Word of God an eastern religion ritual involving doctrines of demons (1 Timothy 4:1). A mantra is not Christian. You wickedly used mantra in the antichrist sense to refer to the Word of God which follows. You do not bear the fruit of Godly sorrow for the way you treated the Word of God.

No sign of repentance from you right down to your closing paragraph of "Once last pasted mantra, hopefully". In his evil heart (Jeremiah 17:9), man slaps and spits in God's face by calling the Word of God a mantra.

Christians are in awe of the works of God and poignantly the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God nor do Christians nullify the works of God.

You deceive yourself that your words are greater than Lord Jesus Christ's words again because the Word of God eliminates any and all potential for free-willian philosophy with:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15 , the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage), yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (the word of Gilligan).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God chooses people unto salvation, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "you chose me to get yourself out of the world and into the Kingdom of God" (the word of Gilligan) - compare your words to the Lord Jesus explaining that without the intervention of the Holy Spirit of Almighty God, you cannot even perceive the Kingdom of God righteously, much less King Jesus, with "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time, yet you adulterate the Word of God into "What I say to you I say to you and only you" (the word of Gilligan).

Christians are in awe of the works of God and the Word of God. I am in awe of the works of God and the Word of God.

Christians do not adulterate the Word of God. You adulterate the Word of God into some strange beast such that it is no longer the Word of God but truly the word of Gilligan Free-willian philosophy.

You add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Of the new Jerusalem, the Apostle John wrote "nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27) - notice that no one who practices lying gets in, and a human adding to scripture is the human lying.

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Behold]

Your free will assertion is referring to man attempting to override God's thoughts with man's thoughts, and that is a grievous sin.

God has given you the free will to continue to believe that you dont have it, and continue to post this nonsense, as if God is causing you to do it.

Remember now... Your next 500 posts, ... You decided to write them.

Welcome to your free will.= CHOICE.

 

[Kermos]

This post is to expose the misuse and ignorance of the scriptures used by calvinists.
I have no personal dislike of Kermos. I'm only using Kermos' misuse of the scriptures as proof calvinist's have been led to believe a false interpretation of Gods word.
I will be explaining Jesus' words in John 15:16.
First learn how a calvinist like Kermos explains John 15:16 below,

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So what did Jesus really mean when He said you did not choose Me I chose you?
Does this prove the lost alien sinner has no freewill ability to give his life to Jesus and believe on Him?

This is simple to show what is being taught,
How do we know the correct meaning of Jesus' teaching,
CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT

Kermos does not know the context of John 15:16.
You cannot understand the scriptures if you do not know the context!

This whole section, John chapters (13-16)
Jesus is teaching His "choosen" apostles!
The ones He would give the "keys" to the kingdom.
Then in chapter 17 (the Lords prayer) Jesus prays for Himself(vs. 1-5)
His Apostles (vs. 6-19)
And for us (vs. 20-26)

 Context really spells it out for us

conclusion: It is so so simple that the simplicity becomes a stumbling block for some...
it's hard to grasp that people want to make it complicated! But complicating the simple is how false teachers hide what should be obvious.

Now that we know the context, let's read the verse in context.

John 15:16,
- You(apostles) did not choose Me, but I chose you(apostles) and appointed you(work given to the apostles) that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you(apostles).

If you need more evidence I am rightly dividing the word of God.
Just take the time to sit down uninterrupted if possible and read John chapters 13 through 17.
It will become obvious that Jesus chose the apostles they did not choose to be appointed as apostles!

Unfortunately Kermos is convinced only he knows the correct interpretation because he's convinced he is elect.
Hard to convince those who will only read the scriptures through the lenses of TULIP colored glasses.

Nowhere does the Bible teach we cannot chose Jesus.
God is love, He gave all the freewill to choose Him if that is our desire.

Notice that one of the apostles did not miraculously get regenerated and begin to follow Jesus.
It was his brother Andrew that went and brought him to Jesus.

John 1:41-42,
He(Andrew) first found his own brother Simon(Peter) and said to him, We have found the (Messiah which is translated the Christ)
And brought him(Peter) to Jesus, Now when Jesus looked at him, He said, You are Simon the son of Jonah. You shall be called Cephas (which is translated, a stone.

Let's just examine how you LITERALLY add words into the Word of God, and, here is a reminder from the original post, It is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

You wrote "This whole section, John chapters (13-16) Jesus is teaching His "choosen" apostles! The ones He would give the "keys" to the kingdom. Then in chapter 17 (the Lords prayer) Jesus prays for Himself(vs. 1-5) His Apostles (vs. 6-19) And for us (vs. 20-26)", so you explicitly exclude all believers from John chapters 14-16, and you clearly added your heart's thoughts into John 15:16, and your heart's thoughts are quoted here:

You(apostles) did not choose Me, but I chose you(apostles) and appointed you(work given to the apostles) that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should remain that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you(apostles). (the word of Titus)
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Wow, that is MIGHTY POWERFUL of you, your heart overrides Almighty God.

You wrote "CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT", so let's venture into context in Truth (John 14:6).

Let us behold the audience of Lord Jesus Christ saying "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation).

By the time Jesus bestows these blessings to all believers in all time, Judas Iscariot departed, so that leaves 11, Jesus does not say these blessings to 12 Apostles but truly 11 Apostles, so it appears you are too broad in your wrongly constrained scope for the audience..

At the time Jesus bestows these blessings to all believers in all time, Joseph called Barsabbas (who was also called Justus), and Matthias (Acts 1:21-23) were also present, not just the 11, but truly a minimum of 13 is contextually established, so you are in confusion.

At the same time that Lord Jesus says these blessings (John 15:16 and John 15:19), He also explained "if they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you" (John 15:20) in the very next verse after John 15:19, so Jesus includes the context of the manner that the world persecutes us Christians because the Christ of us Christians says "you".

Lord Jesus also explained "you will be hated by all because of My name" (Mark 13:13), so, again, Jesus includes the context of the manner that the world persecutes us Christians because the Christ of us Christians says "you".

The Christ's words recorded in John 15:20 and Mark 13:13 establish a contextual link between John chapter 15 and Mark chapter 13.

As a result, since Jesus says "What I say to you I say to all" (Mark 13:37) to "Peter and James and John and Andrew" in private (Mark 13:3), then Christ's words, His blessings, associated with "you" are for all the Assembly of God in all time.

Therefore, Christ includes the "you" in "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16 and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19) to be for all the children of God in all time.

In typical free-willian philosopher fashion, your heart obscures and obfuscates and obliterates the Good News of Christ exclusively delivering God's people from the wrath of God. The Christ of us Christians, my Deliverer, proclaims "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (John 15:16) and "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19, includes salvation) and "What I say to you I say to all" (Mark 13:37).

You free-willians do the anti-loving action of preaching that the Word of God recorded in John 15:16-19 is inapplicable to Christians today! Lord Jesus says "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words" (John 14:23-24).

Friend Of Jesus (John 15:15) Relation To Exclusive Choice By Jesus (John 15:16)​

Lord Jesus immediately adjacently joins persons chosen by Jesus with selfsame persons being friends of Friend Jesus (John 15:15-16).

"I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16) says Lord Jesus.
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A friend of Jesus does not choose Jesus, but Jesus does choose the friend of Jesus (John 15:15-16), and a friend of Jesus does what Jesus commands (John 15:14) by the appointment of Jesus (John 15:16) thus being a friend of Jesus by the Christ's choosing (John 15:14-16).

FREE-WILLIANS DISAVOW CHRIST'S WORDS OF "YOU DID NOT CHOOSE ME" (JOHN 15:16) FOR THEMSELVES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME DECLARING THE WORDS AS EXCLUSIVELY APPLICABLE TO THE APOSTLES; THEREFORE, FREE-WILLIANS DENY BEING A FRIEND OF JESUS WHICH JESUS COVERS IN THE SAME SAYINGS OF JESUS.

A friend of Jesus marvels at the glorious exclusive work of God's salvation of man; on the other hand, an enemy of Jesus steals the exclusive glory of man's salvation from God by saying things like "I chose Jesus" or "I accepted Jesus" resulting in the following implications to free will philosophy:

• the enemy of Jesus rejects Jesus * Who says Who He is, and Jesus declares Himself Sovereign, the exclusive Controller, in man's salvation.
• the enemy of Jesus does not receive the sayings of Jesus * for the enemy disavows Jesus' sayings about God's exclusive choosing of man (John 15:16, John 15:19 includes salvation).
• the enemy of Jesus thinks the enemy compels God to provide salvation; in other words, the enemy of Jesus thinks that God must obey man's command for salvation to enter the heart of man, also without a man's affirming decision (choosing of Jesus) there is no salvation for the man.
• the enemy of Jesus gets the glory, yet God does not give His glory to another (Isaiah 42:8).

* "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).
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In their hearts self-willed persons (2 Peter 2:9-10) in effect remove themselves from being friends of Jesus.

By the Power of God, for God's glory (Isaiah 42:8), the friend of Jesus bears good fruit/works because apart from Jesus a person can do nothing (John 15:5).

By the Power of God, by God's grace, for God's glory (Isaiah 42:8), the friend of Jesus is saved from the wrath of God for Jesus, Lord and God (John 20:28), says "I chose you out of the world" (John 15:19).

You wrote "Nowhere does the Bible teach we cannot chose Jesus" which is against Christ as shown above.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Behold]

Let's just examine how you LITERALLY add words into the Word of God,

God forgives those who Believe.

"all that believe in Jesus, shall be saved".

Jesus said..>"all that believe in me, i give unto then eternal life, and they shall never go to Hell (perish).

To believe in Jesus.... is a : Choice.

Free Will is : CHOICE.

If you CHOOSE to believe in Jesus, the God will take you as His own.

If you Choose to not believe, then you die apart from God, and remain so.

 

[Kermos]

God has given you the free will to continue to believe that you dont have it, and continue to post this nonsense, as if God is causing you to do it.

Remember now... Your next 500 posts, ... You decided to write them.

Welcome to your free will.= CHOICE.

By God's grace, for God's glory, Lord Jesus Christ drives my "will" to post on this site (John 3:21)!

Let's examine the your free-willian dearly held faith that "my free-will is uncontrolled by God" as compared to linguistics, logic, and Scripture in Truth (John 14:6).

Free-willians abstract (compartmentalize) at two different levels when free-willians think "my free-will is uncontrolled by God".

God is a Being.

You are a being.

A "will" is not a being.

A "will" is part of a being, and a "will" does not exist without a being.

Let's look at free-willian's dearly held belief that "my free-will is uncontrolled by God" from a related perspective, "this being's free-will is uncontrolled by that Being".

Free-willian foundation is the relationship that a "will" is "free" from a "being", and the relationship succeeds logically and linguistically only by including that a "will" is "free" from every "being"; therefore, that "will" must be free from the "Being" (God) as well as that "will" free from the "being" (the free-willian) as well as that "will" free from every other "being", yet a "will" must be part of a "being" resulting in a controlling relationship between the "being" and the being's "will", so the concept of a "will" free from a "being" is illogical.

The free-willian's level of abstraction fails because free-willians have grouped "will" at the same level as the group of "beings", so free-willians are comparing unrelated things, that is, a "will" and a "being"; in other words, free-willian's faulty premise results in a sinfully false conclusion.

The word "free" means "a something detached from an other something", but free-willians redefine "free" to mean "a something detached from that something's self"; therefore, free-willian's linguistics are illegal.

No Scripture states that God imparted man a free-will, in fact, the single occurrence of free-will in the New Testament is where the Apostle Paul refers to free-will as illusory (Philemon 1:14).

Now, a free-willian's "will" is not free from all beings because the free-willian's "will" is part of himself or herself. See the word "self" in the words "himself" and "herself", and "self" is key because by definition free-willians have a self-will (2 Peter 2:9-10) per the free-willian's own proclamation that the free-willian "will" is uncontrolled by God, and, here, in Scripture, we find that free-willians are out of accord with Apostolic testimony.

In Truth (John 14:6), we Christian's have a "will" controlled by the Christ of us Christians for it is written "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).

@Johann, since you agreed with Behold's post, you need to read this post, too.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Kermos]

God forgives those who Believe.

"all that believe in Jesus, shall be saved".

Jesus said..>"all that believe in me, i give unto then eternal life, and they shall never go to Hell (perish).

To believe in Jesus.... is a : Choice.

Free Will is : CHOICE.

If you CHOOSE to believe in Jesus, the God will take you as His own.

If you Choose to not believe, then you die apart from God, and remain so.

Only persons with God given and controlled belief (faith) are forgiven because the Giver of the Faith, the Christ of us Christians, says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent " (John 6:29),

And Paul is in accord with Jesus' words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians "by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work, created in Christ Jesus" (Ephesians 2:8-10),

And Peter is in accord with Jesus' words for Peter declared "God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith" (Acts 15:8-9),

But you preach against Christ by preaching that mere man manipulates believing with your "If you CHOOSE to believe in Jesus" (the word of Behold),

Yet the Word of God dispatched your word before you were born:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people, not man choosing God, but truly God choosing man.
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the glorious blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

It is impossible for you to "choose" Jesus because Jesus says such, so you are dead wrong about your "I chose Jesus".

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Behold]

Let's examine the your free-willian dearly held faith that "my free-will is uncontrolled by God" as compared to linguistics, logic, and Scripture in Truth (John 14:6).

Does God have free will?
And, Adam was made in God's image....in God's likeness.
Genesis 1.

Let me show you "crazy".
Here is how "crazy" sounds.

"Adam's sin was caused by God who told Adam not to sin the exact sin, he was told by God not to commit"

Now its CRAZY to teach that...
Understand?

See that?
That is "Crazy"..........and yet, when you teach that "God causes it all"..... the that is what you are teaching.

You are teaching that...."God caused Hitler to Kill 6 million" , After God gave the 10 Commandments that said "thou shalt not murder", even 1.

So, here is the problem with that "Crazy".

= If God is causing what He said not to do, then that is your Cult's Theology that He is causing you to believe.

Think on that "Crazy" for a while .

 

[Johann]

@Johann, since you agreed with Behold's post, you need to read this post, too.

@Kermos --too many Imperatives in Scripture that WE need to DO-I don't believe in passivism-and let go and let God is not biblical.
Johann.

 

[Behold]

Only persons with God given and controlled belief

God does not cause anyone to go to Hell.

So, the teaching that God chooses some to believe, is actually teaching that God chose others to go to Hell., and they had no CHOICE.

So, this is The Calvin Heresy of God limiting the Cross.
And the Cross is not limited.
Its given to the WORLD..... John 3:16.

The "world" is everyone.

 

[Kermos]

Does God have free will?
And, Adam was made in God's image....in God's likeness.
Genesis 1.

Let me show you "crazy".
Here is how "crazy" sounds.

"Adam's sin was caused by God who told Adam not to sin the exact sin, he was told by God not to commit"

Now its CRAZY to teach that...
Understand?

See that?
That is "Crazy"..........and yet, when you teach that "God causes it all"..... the that is what you are teaching.

You are teaching that...."God caused Hitler to Kill 6 million" , After God gave the 10 Commandments that said "thou shalt not murder", even 1.

So, here is the problem with that "Crazy".

= If God is causing what He said not to do, then that is your Cult's Theology that He is causing you to believe.

Think on that "Crazy" for a while .

God's will is absolutely not a free-will, and man's will is absolutely not a free-will, so your heart's thoughts expressed in your post are demonstrated to be deception by the following Truth (John 14:6).

Many people preach that God has a free-will.

The common free-willian refrain is along the lines of "God has freewill. Christ has freewill. Man was made in their image/likeness. Result? = Man has free will." (an actual free-willian quote).

So, the free-willian philosophy holds that God free-will chooses to change between good and evil, and, since God created man in God's image according to God's likeness (Genesis 1:26), then man does precisely the same as God; therefore, man free-will chooses to change between good and evil.

A Will Requires A Host​

First, the definition of free must be considered.

Free denotes:

1. of autonomy:
   • (noun) no constraint, uncontrolled, liberty, not enslaved, emancipation.
   • (verb) disentangled, extricate, untangle.
2. of property:
   • (noun) complimentary, without charge, gratis, no payment required.
   • (verb) give away, sacrifice.

The subject is not of property regarding free-will, so the subject is focused of autonomy regarding free-will.

The word "free" represents a relative concept, as shown in the following paragraph; in other words, a person is "free" from "something".

A person in a constitutional republic, such as the U.S.A., is free to start a business (free from being captives of the tyranny of the King of Great Britain per the U.S. Declaration of Independence), but a person in a communist country, such as North Korea, is NOT free to start a business (communist citizens are captives (owned) by their government).

Second, the definition of free-will must be considered.

Free-will: an autonomous will, an isolated willpower, detached volition, independent moral agency.

Next, considering "will", a will exists not in a vacuum; in other words, a will must be part of a host.

Respecting an unsaved person - the default first condition of every person, since a host (person) is required to host a will, then the person's will is part of the person's self, so the person's will is self-will because the person'a will is attached to the self-same person; on the other hand, the person's will is not free floating detached from the person, so the person's will is not free-will.

The Apostle proclaims a person's will is either one of but not both of:

• a person's will is controlled by God with "God having purified your souls in the obedience of the Truth through the Spirit" (1 Peter 1:21-22) and "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13).
• a person's will is controlled by man with "the Lord knows how" "to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

A person's will is dependent upon God (Christimage-will (bond-will), Romans 8:29), or a person's will is dependent upon man (self-will, 2 Peter 2:9-10). No other will exists for a person; moreover, free-will is an illusion as conveyed by the Apostle Paul with "I did not want to do anything, so that your goodness would not be, in effect, by compulsion but of your own free will" (Philemon 1:14).

While the unrighteous unbelievers daringly revel in their own glory founded in their self-willed "I chose Jesus" (2 Peter 2:9-10) thus their hearts steal King Jesus Christ's glory, on the other hand, we righteousness of God in Christ believers worship the Glorious One (2 Corinthians 5:21) who sovereignly chose us (John 15:16, John 15:19 includes salvation).

Thus says Adonai YHWH (Lord GOD) "I am YHWH; that is my name; my glory I give to no other" (Isaiah 42:8), yet the free-willians try to steal God's exclusive glory in the salvation of man.

God's Will is not free will because a free-will does not have a host, yet a host is required for an associated will to exist; therefore, the Will of God is God's Will. See God's Will mentioned in 1 Peter 2:15.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT GOD HAS A FREE-WILL.

God is unchangingly good (Malachi 3:6, Psalm 107:1) for the Word of God says "no one is good except God alone" (Mark 10:18), so God is exclusively good all the time while at the same time God never changes to being evil.

In effect, free-willian philosophy includes that God imparted God-like free-will into man, and it is established that man free-will chooses between being good and being evil according to man's God-like free-will; therefore, God's free-will results in God fluctuating between good and evil because man's God-like free-will fluctuates between good and evil, so God changes to being evil by free-willian philosophers preaching that God has free-will.

THE RESULT, MAN CANNOT HAVE A GOD-LIKE FREE-WILL BECAUSE GOD CANNOT HAVE A FREE-WILL.

NO SCRIPTURE STATES THAT MAN HAS A FREE-WILL.

Free-will philosophy includes the man generated foundation that, by free-will, man can choose to be evil or good, even the ability for a natural man to free-will choose Jesus Christ unto the good of saving himself from the wrath of God.

The Word of God declares:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Every person has a will, but a person's will is either one of but not both of (1) a self-will against God in evil for the natural flesh person (2 Peter 2:9-10) or (2) a will in Christ doing God's good by the Holy Spirit for the Born of God (Romans 8:29, Philippians 2:13, John 3:3-8).

Hitler was self-willed. You, Behold, are self-willed.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Kermos]

God does not cause anyone to go to Hell.

So, the teaching that God chooses some to believe, is actually teaching that God chose others to go to Hell., and they had no CHOICE.

So, this is The Calvin Heresy of God limiting the Cross.
And the Cross is not limited.
Its given to the WORLD..... John 3:16.

The "world" is everyone.

Only persons with God given and controlled belief (faith) are forgiven because the Giver of the Faith, the Christ of us Christians, says "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29), and God is immeasurably loving to save a single person from the wrath of God by Way of causing one Christian to believe in Jesus, but you contradict even demean Jesus with your thoughts expressed in your post.

Your Free-willian Philosophy of "John 3:16. The 'world' is everyone" is against Christ, and the Truth (John 14:6) about the word "world" in John 3:16 is explained in the following.

An Abbreviated Discourse About The Word "World" in John 3:16 (John 3:14-16)​

The first word of John 3:16 is a conjunction that inextricably ties John 3:14-15 to John 3:16, and here are the Lord Jesus' words as recorded by the Apostle John:

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up; so that every believing will in Him have eternal life, for God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that every believing in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:14-16).
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Lord Jesus brings in history by way of mentioning "the serpent in the wilderness" John 3:14), so here is the contextually linked passage about history:

Then YHWH said to Moses, "Make a fiery [serpent], and set it on a standard; and it shall come about, that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, he will live." And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived. (Numbers 21:8-9).
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Based on God's command about "the serpent in the wilderness" (John 3:14) and the results of the "bronze serpent" that Moses set on the standard (Numbers 21:9), the population of persons that certainly were affected by God's command about "the serpent in the wilderness" in order to live were ONLY each bitten person that looked at "the serpent in the wilderness".

Furthermore, there is a different population of persons which includes persons that DID NOT LOOK AT "the serpent in the wilderness".

Therefore, there are separate populations of persons identified in Jesus' words as recorded by the Apostle John (John 3:14-16) with the first "population of bitten look to live" and there was the second "population of everyone else".

In the next four paragraphs, we see the Word of God speaking to Moses (Numbers 21:8) in relation to the Word of God speaking to Nicodemus (John 3:16).

1. Notice how "everyone who is bitten" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "world" (John 3:16).
2. Notice how "when he" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "that every one" (John 3:16, note that the singular (not plural) Greek word pas [Strong's 3956] translates accurately as "every one" not so much as the unfettered promiscuous connotation of "whosoever" [KJV] or "whoever" [NASB]).
3. Notice how "look" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "believing" (John 3:16).
4. Notice how "live" (Numbers 21:8) relates to "eternal life" (John 3:16).

Jesus sets the relation between differing populations of persons by way of Him including the "the serpent in the wilderness" (John 3:14, Numbers 21:9), so the "population of bitten look to live" directly corresponds with the word "world" as per Jesus' usage (John 3:16).

The Word of God conclusively proves that the context establishes the word "world" as used by Jesus in John 3:16 includes ONLY the population of persons that currently believe in Jesus or will in the future believe in Jesus, so only persons in whom God imparts "belief in Jesus" are the "world" as used by Jesus in John 3:16 for thus says the Lord "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29),

A more descriptive discourse is found here in this page link.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Kermos]

@Kermos --too many Imperatives in Scripture that WE need to DO-I don't believe in passivism-and let go and let God is not biblical.
Johann.

Man apart from God always fails to accomplish the imperatives (commands) of God as recorded in Scripture for the Word of God proclaims "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and the Apostle Peter declared “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?” (Acts 15:10), so I ask you, Johann, are you putting a yoke to obey God's commands upon Christ's disciples?

You wrote "let go and let God is not biblical", and I agree because nobody controls God, yet "let God" is permissive as if God cannot do something unless the person enables God by the person "opening a door" so to speak. Your repeated reference to "let go and let God" fails to make sense.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Johann]

Man apart from God always fails to accomplish the imperatives (commands) of God as recorded in Scripture for the Word of God proclaims "apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and the Apostle Peter declared “Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?” (Acts 15:10), so I ask you, Johann, are you putting a yoke to obey God's commands upon Christ's disciples?

You wrote "let go and let God is not biblical", and I agree because nobody controls God, yet "let God" is permissive as if God cannot do something unless the person enables God by the person "opening a door" so to speak. Your repeated reference to "let go and let God" fails to make sense.

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

You don't seem to understand me, my will, boule, thelema, is sanctified in the sphere of the Holy Spirit-my will swallowed in the sweet will of God-yet I do make daily choices-my choice to type to you now-it's still a choice-with God's consent, hopefully.
Shalom
Johann.

 

[Kermos]

You don't seem to understand me, my will, boule, thelema, is sanctified in the sphere of the Holy Spirit-my will swallowed in the sweet will of God-yet I do make daily choices-my choice to type to you now-it's still a choice-with God's consent, hopefully.
Shalom
Johann.

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (The Apostle John, 1 John 4:1). Actually, I do know you based upon comparison of your writings to the Holy Writ.

The Christ of us Christians says "And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?" (Luke 12:57), so man's will is incapable of determining the righteous, even the "choosing" of God unto salvation; in reality, Lord Jesus, alone, chooses us Christians unto salvation (John 15:16, John 15:19) with us being the blessed recipient of God's great work. Mere man is not superior to Jesus the Lord who says "Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner'" (John 5:19) and again He mentions initiative in "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me" (John 5:30).

You convey that you govern you "will" yourself in your post.

Paul conveys that my Christian "will" is governed by God with "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13). Paul is in accord with Jesus our Lord.

I know that every Christian has a Christ-image "will" (Romans 8:29).

Because you declare that your "will" is self-governed, then you have a self-will instead of a Christ-image will - according to your post.

Let's look at what the Apostle says about self will:

"The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

 

[Johann]

"The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

This is the scripture reference you post to me @Kermos?


2Pe_2:10 b. τολμηταὶ αὐθάδεις. αὐθ. is to be taken as an epithet of τολμηταὶ. The idea in τολμ. is of shameless and irreverent daring. αὐθάδεις (αὐτὸς and ἥδομαι) = “self-willed,” “arrogant”. In 1Ti_1:7, the ἐπίσκοπος must not be αὐθάδης, where the thought seems to be of irresponsibility in regard to the community. Cf. Didache 2Pe_3:6, μὴ γίνου γόγγυσος· ἐπειδὴ ὁδηγεῖ εἰς τὴν βλασφημίαν· μηδὲ αὐθάδης μηδὲ πονηρόφρων. ἐκ γὰρ τούτων ἁπάντων βλασφημίαι γεννῶνται.

The false teachers push forward their views, regardless of consequences. Cf. P. Amh. 78, 13 f. (ii., A.D.), μ[ου] πλεονεκτῖ ἄνθρωπος ἀ(υ)θάδης. “An audacious man is taking advantage of me.” δόξας οὐ τρέμουσιν βλασφημοῦντες. δόξας is used of Unseen Powers whether good or evil.

How can βλασφημ. be used of evil powers? It is obvious that we must find some sense for βλασφημεῖν here; and also in Jud_1:8, that will be applicable to δόξας, apart altogether from their moral character.

In Plato, Rep. 381 E, there occurs a passage dealing with the popular conception of the gods, which holds that they may sometimes change their form, and “in the likeness of wandering strangers, bodied in manifold forms, go roaming from city to city” (cf. Homer, Od. xvii. 485).
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By such notions, as taught for example by mothers to their children, men may be said, “εἰς θεοὺς βλασφημεῖν”. Not only are these a misrepresentation of the Divine, but their tendency is to make light of it, belittle it, detract from its dignity. Some such sense of βλ. seems to be required here. The false teachers may have scoffed at the idea both of angelic help, and of diabolic temptation. Their tendency seems to have been to make light of the Unseen, to foster a sense of the unreality both of sin and of goodness, and to reduce the motives of conduct to a vulgar hedonism (cf. Mayor’s note, P. 74).


2:10–12 Peter asserts that even spiritual beings do not claim to have the type of authority and insight that the false teachers in his audience claim to have (compare Jude 8–10). These false teachers were claiming authority and understanding of things they could not possibly comprehend—particularly regarding when and whether Christ would return.

Since the false teachers in the community are reasoning away Christ’s authority and promoting their own—on the basis that He has not yet returned—Peter asserts that they must be heretics and not prophets (2 Pet 3:1–13).

On this basis, he makes the case that the authority they have arrogantly claimed actually proves that they have none according to God (see v. 11; compare note on 3:3).

2:10 Probably refers to high-ranking, powerful beings in the spiritual realm. The same Greek phrase used here is found in Jude 8. The phrase in Jude and 2 Peter emphasizes that unlike angels, who sensibly refrain from speaking against higher-ranking beings, false teachers presumptuously slander the words or authority of spiritual beings. They assume authority they do not have.

Here, Peter is likely referring to very high ranking beings, such as the level of Michael and the devil, with Michael even refraining from rebuking the devil on his own even though he has every right to do so (see Jude 9). Michael respects the devil’s rank, even though the devil is wrong; the false teachers respect neither truth nor authority. This fits the earlier analogy of Sodom and Gomorrah: the mob speaks against the angels when they attempt to rape them.
New Testament Terms for Unseen Divine Beings


2:12 Peter ridicules the false teachers’ claim of superior spiritual knowledge, stating that they are actually irrational, like animals. He is suggesting that false teachers will be destroyed because their knowledge is based on brute, not rational, sense (see note on 2 Pet 2:2; compare Jude 10).

They have spoken against the truth and in the process of doing so spoken against spiritual powers themselves (2 Pet 2:2, 10; compare Jude 10; Jas 3:3–12).
The false teachers prided themselves on their wisdom, but they were in fact blind to the truth (compare 2 Pet 1:9).

2:13–15 In this passage, Peter uses the example of Balaam’s error to describe the character of the false teachers (Num 22–24; see Jude 11). In using this story, he presents another rubric for identifying false teachers (see note on 2 Pet 2:1–3).

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016), 2 Pe 2:10–15.


Transliteration: authadeis
Morphology: Adj-NMP
Adjective - Nominative Masculine Plural
Strong's no.: G829 (αὐθάδης)
Meaning: Self-satisfied, arrogant, stubborn.

self-willed | self-absorbed


(Titus 1:7) ΔεῖIt behooves γὰρfor τὸνthe ἐπίσκοπονoverseer ἀνέγκλητονblameless εἶναιto be, ὡςas ΘεοῦGod’s οἰκονόμονsteward; μὴnot αὐθάδηself-willed, μὴnot ὀργίλονquick tempered, μὴnot πάροινονgiven to wine, μὴnot πλήκτηνa striker, μὴnot αἰσχροκερδῆgreedy of base gain,

(2Pet 2:10) μάλισταespecially δὲthen τοὺςthose ὀπίσωafter σαρκὸς[the] flesh ἐνin ἐπιθυμίᾳ[the] passion μιασμοῦof defilement πορευομένουςwalking καὶand κυριότητοςauthority καταφρονοῦνταςdespising. τολμηταὶBold, αὐθάδειςself-willed, δόξαςglorious ones οὐnot τρέμουσινthey tremble βλασφημοῦντεςblaspheming,

Brother @Kermos when posting to me, at least quote context-unless you think I am a brute beast, ungodly, since you don't know the context of this passage, or you are "willfully-self willed" reckon me as ungodly, arrogant, self absorbed-because I don't hold to what you teach.

You are not my judge brother.
Keep your emotions and bitterness in check BEFORE posting, next time.

Later
Johann.

 

[amigo de christo]

@Kermos --too many Imperatives in Scripture that WE need to DO-I don't believe in passivism-and let go and let God is not biblical.
Johann.

because in truth , if you examine this let go and let god . ITS REALLY implying let go of biblical truth and just go with the flow
of those emotions . THIS let go and let GOD
had nothing to do with GOD . IT should say LET GO OF THE BIBLICAL GOD and just follow the flow of what feels good .

 

[amigo de christo]

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (The Apostle John, 1 John 4:1). Actually, I do know you based upon comparison of your writings to the Holy Writ.

The Christ of us Christians says "And why do you not even on your own initiative judge what is right?" (Luke 12:57), so man's will is incapable of determining the righteous, even the "choosing" of God unto salvation; in reality, Lord Jesus, alone, chooses us Christians unto salvation (John 15:16, John 15:19) with us being the blessed recipient of God's great work. Mere man is not superior to Jesus the Lord who says "Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner'" (John 5:19) and again He mentions initiative in "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me" (John 5:30).

You convey that you govern you "will" yourself in your post.

Paul conveys that my Christian "will" is governed by God with "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13). Paul is in accord with Jesus our Lord.

I know that every Christian has a Christ-image "will" (Romans 8:29).

Because you declare that your "will" is self-governed, then you have a self-will instead of a Christ-image will - according to your post.

Let's look at what the Apostle says about self will:

"The Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

The original post contains the Truth (John 14:6) which shows richly in scripture, Adam was not imparted free will, and no man thereafter was imparted free will either.

so adam was not given free will . THUS in effect saying , GOD CAUSED ADAM and EVE TO EAT of the tree .
Wrong again .
Folks dont know the difference between free will and grace itself . NOW THAT is the problem .
SO , if i tell my son not to do something and he does it , THAT I CAUSED HIM TO DO IT .
GOD didnt cause adam or eve to eat of that tree . THEY DID THAT ALL BY THEMSELVES .
AND its not a SIN for GOD to give free will choice either . THE SIN is not in giving the free will
ITS ON THE SINNER WHO CHOOSES WRONGLY . Calvin is a liar and my advice is , DONT HEED ITs teachings .
GOD simply gave man free will . CHOOSE YE THIS DAY . NOT MY WILL but YOURS BE DONE .
JESUS CHRIST chose RIGHT , man chose wrong . Both were tempted , BUT JESUS PREVAILED .
NOT MY WILL , NOT MY WILL , NOT MY WILL , NOT MY WILL , BUT YOURS BE DONE . JESUS the KING around thrity three AD
shortly before he drank of the cup . NOT MY WILL , NOT MY WILL , NOT MY WILL , BUT YOURS BE DONE .
GOD gave free will PARD . MAN FAILED , BUT GOD PREVAILED . THE FIRST ADAM FAILED , BUT JESUS PREVAILED .

 

[amigo de christo]

You don't seem to understand me, my will, boule, thelema, is sanctified in the sphere of the Holy Spirit-my will swallowed in the sweet will of God-yet I do make daily choices-my choice to type to you now-it's still a choice-with God's consent, hopefully.
Shalom
Johann.

LIFT THOSE HANDS AND PRAISE THE KING .
JESUS always said it best . NOT MY WILL but YOURS BE DONE .
Eve was tempted and ate of the tree . Adam chose his love for his wife over GOD and ate from her hand .
THEY BOTH CHOSE DEAD WRONG .
MANKIND FAILED . BUT GOD PREVAILED .
And i do say GOD PREVAILED .
FOR adam failed , But JESUS PREVAILED . Not my will but YOURS BE DONE .
I know that is the perfect example for all . We ought to say the same thing .
Not my will O GOD , BUT YOURS BE DONE . The first son failed , the created son failed
but he who was BEFORE ABRHAM , PREVAILED .
See that is the BEAUTY OF IT . GOD SAVED US . HE DID .
The first son and all since FAILED . BUT GOD PREVAILED . and now in CHRIST we have ALL HOPE my friend .
SO this gringo IS STICKING TO THE ONLY HOPE THERE IS , THE KING CHRIST JESUS .
Sure i might not sound all scholarly , all wise , all intellectual . BUT MAN , by GRACE , i know the TRUTH .
and REST ALL MY HOPE ON THAT TRUTH . JESUS THE VERY CHRIST OF GOD . NOW SING THEM PRAISES to the GLORIOUS LORD .
I had rather seem as an idiot , as a clown and non intellectual and yet HAVE CHRIST .
What a beautiful SONG that SONG IS . TRUTH Is , what would i know if it were not for the grace of GOD .
NOTHING but what i already did know , and all that wisdom SURE AS HECK COULDNT SAVE ME .
IN TRUTH it led me only farther and farther away FROM HE WHO SAVES .
OH let us praise the LORD . FOR HIS GREAT MERCY OF THE GRACE GIVEN US IN CHRIST JESUS .
LIFT those hands my friend . Sing with me and LET THE LORD be praised .

 

[Johann]

LIFT THOSE HANDS AND PRAISE THE KING .
JESUS always said it best . NOT MY WILL but YOURS BE DONE .
Eve was tempted and ate of the tree . Adam chose his love for his wife over GOD and ate from her hand .
THEY BOTH CHOSE DEAD WRONG .
MANKIND FAILED . BUT GOD PREVAILED .
And i do say GOD PREVAILED .
FOR adam failed , But JESUS PREVAILED . Not my will but YOURS BE DONE .
I know that is the perfect example for all . We ought to say the same thing .
Not my will O GOD , BUT YOURS BE DONE . The first son failed , the created son failed
but he who was BEFORE ABRHAM , PREVAILED .
See that is the BEAUTY OF IT . GOD SAVED US . HE DID .
The first son and all since FAILED . BUT GOD PREVAILED . and now in CHRIST we have ALL HOPE my friend .
SO this gringo IS STICKING TO THE ONLY HOPE THERE IS , THE KING CHRIST JESUS .
Sure i might not sound all scholarly , all wise , all intellectual . BUT MAN , by GRACE , i know the TRUTH .
and REST ALL MY HOPE ON THAT TRUTH . JESUS THE VERY CHRIST OF GOD . NOW SING THEM PRAISES to the GLORIOUS LORD .
I had rather seem as an idiot , as a clown and non intellectual and yet HAVE CHRIST .
What a beautiful SONG that SONG IS . TRUTH Is , what would i know if it were not for the grace of GOD .
NOTHING but what i already did know , and all that wisdom SURE AS HECK COULDNT SAVE ME .
IN TRUTH it led me only farther and farther away FROM HE WHO SAVES .
OH let us praise the LORD . FOR HIS GREAT MERCY OF THE GRACE GIVEN US IN CHRIST JESUS .
LIFT those hands my friend . Sing with me and LET THE LORD be praised .

Well said my brother-let us worship and eulogize the Lord and great God Jesus Christ-who saved a wretch like us.
You are NOT an idiot my brother and enjoy your pathos for the cause of Christ Jesus.
Keep going, final home run-eyes on Jesus!
Yours-Johann.