Who are the sons of God and the daughters of men

[David in NJ]

I am speculating here with a little bit of humor, so do not take me too seriously.
Angels do not have human sperm and do not marry.....true statement.
But like I have said, there is not enough information here to come to a definitive conclusion.
The Bible does not say that the sons of God were angels so why come to that conclusion?
We would not be having this conversation if the sons of God were defined.
But God and angels are not the only spiritual beings in heaven.
The offspring of the sons of God were mighty men of renown. Not giants, the Bible says
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Why is the Bible discussing these mighty men and one of the races of Giants.....and I am saying one of the races of giants. Why is that? We do not know.

Now for the humor part...
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
I was at Bible camp and sitting around a campfire and talking to a Baptist preacher about heaven...what do we know about it?
I asked, do you think there will be a banquet and good food?
He says, I do not think so, I do not think you will need to eat or have a mouth to eat with.
I asked, do you think there will be romance?
He say, No I think we will be like angel and will not court or marry or even be attracted to female souls.
So I said, No sex?
He said, Of course not, nothing that dirty and sinful.
So I asked, Do you think that heaven will be beautiful?
He said, I do not think you will have eyes to see it if it was.
Well there are trumpets, what about music?
He replied, I don't think you have ears to hear it.

So I nodded my head and thought for a moment and asked him....What do you think hell will be like? LOL

The Bible, in fact, does say that the 'sons of God' were angels.

What you are missing is 'How' did angels literally and physically "come into the daughters of men".

God gave us the answer = Jude

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

 

[Grailhunter]

The Bible, in fact, does say that the 'sons of God' were angels.

Scripture please.....there will be a long line of scholars that will be interested in that scripture.

What you are missing is 'How' did angels literally and physically "come into the daughters of men".

Never said they were angels...that was my point.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

I nor the Bible describe the sons of God as angels.

 

[David in NJ]

Scripture please.....there will be a long line of scholars that will be interested in that scripture.

Never said they were angels...that was my point.

I nor the Bible describe the sons of God as angels.

a.) scholars??? - that's a joke right, because God said that we only enter His Kingdom when we humble ourselves as little children
the 'bible scholars' of Jesus day knew more of OT scripture then most christians scholars today and yet they still were in Great NEED.

b.) JESUS Himself told us that the sons of God are angels as did the Holy Spirit = Genesis , Job, Luke 20, 2 Peter ch2, Jude

c.) Why do people like to argue with "It is written" = Matthew 4:4

 

[Grailhunter]

a.) scholars??? - that's a joke right, because God said that we only enter His Kingdom when we humble ourselves as little children
the 'bible scholars' of Jesus day knew more of OT scripture then most christians scholars today and yet they still were in Great NEED.

You should not talk that way about the Apostle Paul. LOL

b.) JESUS Himself told us that the sons of God are angels as did the Holy Spirit = Genesis , Job, Luke 20, 2 Peter ch2, Jude

c.) Why do people like to argue with "It is written" = Matthew 4:4

None of this says that the sons of God that impregnated daughters of men were angels..
I am a son of God....you are a son of God. The phrase sons of God appears through out the New Testament referring to Christians
Again if the sons of God were defined, we would not be having this conversation.

 

[David in NJ]

You should not talk that way about the Apostle Paul. LOL


None of this says that the sons of God that impregnated daughters of men were angels..
I am a son of God....you are a son of God. The phrase sons of God appears through out the New Testament referring to Christians
Again if the sons of God were defined, we would not be having this conversation.

Liked your opener

Did you carefully review the scriptural designations that avail to us who and what Genesis 6 was all about?

We who have been Born-Again and thus Risen in Christ within our spirits are truly "sons of God" just as the Gospel and 1 John 3:1-3
clearly state.

However, our flesh is humankind = Genesis = and therefore can only reproduce humankind and not GIANTS

The angels on the other hand are not humankind and therefore, by their superior DNA, produced GIANTS when interbred with
"the daughters of men"......just as Scripture declares = which i gave you the reference designations.

 

[rwb]

The Bible, in fact, does say that the 'sons of God' were angels.

What you are missing is 'How' did angels literally and physically "come into the daughters of men".

God gave us the answer = Jude

But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.
And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

But the text (Gen) does not say angels left their proper domain and abode, it says the "sons of God" chose women to co-habitat with, women in unbelief as their wives and they bare to them unholy seeds. You think 'angels' are meant in Jude, but then you cannot reconcile that opinion with sons of God in Genesis. The two passages can be reconciled by accepting it was human beings the faithful sons of God that left their first estate, (departed from the LORD) that is their high place with God, which was meant to be their habitation (dwelling place) eternally.

Jude 6 (KJV) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ronald,
Why does it matter that I couldn't provide proof? I told you that I got my information from a PHD of history, who I know to be a faithful Christian man. And unless you believe that I am a liar, you might grant me a moment of your time to look it up for yourself, i.e. prove it for your own edification. I guarantee that if you take the requisite time to search out the matter, you will discover that many of the ancients believed that kings were either gods or sons of gods. This is so common that you won't spend more than a half hour on the matter. I told you, I thought everyone knew this.

Because this is a public forum. I do not know you at all. Nor do you know me. If we make claims we should have the info to back it up. You could be just flinging bull for all anyone knows. It is always teh best that we can back up claims with facts, otherwise people will tend ot think you are just being dishonest. I went and searched about your "noble kings" and found nothing on the net.

And sorry, if you make a claim, it is your responsibility to back it up with fact. In a court case the prosecutor does not defend the defendant. And on a forum we are in the court of public opinion. when people refuse or cannot back their claims, they tend to be disregarded as credible.
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Yes many post babel civilizations rendered their kings as gods or sons of gods, but there is 0 that even hints of this pre flood. that is why you are challenged!

Yeah. In my view this is important evidence, supporting those who contend that being a "son of God" is NOT an ontological category. Sons of God are found both among angelic-kind and human-kind. Context informs the intended meaning.

Well it is good to see that you finally recognize angels are called sons of God. But once again , outside of these five references you will not find the people of God in the OT called the sons of God. Wife of Jehovah yes, but sons of God-no!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No reason to ever call the Sons of God angels. The sons of God were the human representatives of what goes on on the earth. Not all of them rebelled. It was their great, great, great, great,.... grandchildren more than 30 generations later. How can the first few generations be considered: they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown, if it just happened?

The angels just rebelled, but the sons of God already lived on earth for many generations before the angels rebelled.

It was the angels rebelling that led to Satan being in the Garden, that led to Adam's disobedience. Adam's dead corruptible flesh was passed down through Adamites or simply mankind, descendants of Adam and Eve. Then the descendants of the other sons of God, fell head over heals for corruptible human flesh, and that led to the Flood.

Besides the angels who left the firmament did not make it to earth, except Satan. They were immediately bound in chains of darkness in the pit, that will not be opened until the 5th Trumpet. Can you imagine millions of "Satans" loose on the earth just as bad as the serpent in the Garden? Did they all take on serpent form? Does not matter as they were bound in the pit, and in Revelation 9, they certainly are not described as sons of God, nor procreating humans of great renown.

Yes their is! It was when the sons of God went into the daughters of mankind that they produced the titans, the gibborim and the men of fame! Couldn't the sons of God produce the same with the daughters of God? God also supplied a contrast with teh sons being of God and the daughters being of humanity.

Also in JOb- it would be impossible for men to go before the presence of God and to sing when the foundations of the earth were laid.

 

[Grailhunter]

Liked your opener

Did you carefully review the scriptural designations that avail to us who and what Genesis 6 was all about?

We who have been Born-Again and thus Risen in Christ within our spirits are truly "sons of God" just as the Gospel and 1 John 3:1-3
clearly state.

However, our flesh is humankind = Genesis = and therefore can only reproduce humankind and not GIANTS

The angels on the other hand are not humankind and therefore, by their superior DNA, produced GIANTS when interbred with
"the daughters of men"......just as Scripture declares = which i gave you the reference designations.

Again angels do not reproduce.
The Bible does not designate the sons of God as angels.
The giants were already there and there are at least there races of giants in the Old Testament....none of them are described as being the offspring of angels.
The superior DNA....LOL....of the sons of God produce mighty men of renown....not giants.

 

[David in NJ]

Again angels do not reproduce.
The Bible does not designate the sons of God as angels.
The giants were already there and there are at least there races of giants in the Old Testament....none of them be described as being the offspring of angels.
The superior DNA....LOL....of the sons of God produce mighty men of renown....not giants.

Giants were not already there.

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Bible designates 'sons of God as spiritual beings/angels = Luke ch20 , Genesis ch6 , Jude , 2 Peter ch2

Bible states angels are superior to mankind = 2 Peter 2:11

God made it very CLEAR for us = "sons of God came into the daughters of men"

"sons of God" are angels = Luke ch20

The skeletal remains of GIANTS have been found and documented all over the world.

Saul of Tarsus was a OT scholar who was in Great NEED and the LORD called him out and filled him with the Holy Spirit.

Simple Truth for God's Children = scholars not permitted to enter

 

[Grailhunter]

Giants were not already there.

Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them,
2that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
3And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Bible designates 'sons of God as spiritual beings/angels = Luke ch20 , Genesis ch6 , Jude , 2 Peter ch2

Bible states angels are superior to mankind = 2 Peter 2:11

God made it very CLEAR for us = "sons of God came into the daughters of men"

"sons of God" are angels = Luke ch20

The skeletal remains of GIANTS have been found and documented all over the world.

Saul of Tarsus was a OT scholar who was in Great NEED and the LORD called him out and filled him with the Holy Spirit.

Simple Truth for God's Children = scholars not permitted to enter

Nowhere....I mean nowhere does the Bible indicate that the sons of God are angels.
Spiritual beings....yes.
And no one is saying that there were not giants......there were three races of them.

There were giants on the earth in those days.....and also afterwards.
And also afterwards.....read what it says. They were on the earth when this happened and they existed afterwards.

 

[David in NJ]

Nowhere....I mean nowhere does the Bible indicate that the sons of God are angels.
Spiritual beings....yes.
And no one is saying that there were not giants......there were three races of them.

There were giants on the earth in those days.....and also afterwards.
And also afterwards.....read what it says. They were on the earth when this happened and they existed afterwards.

LOL - the GIANTS only popped-out AFTER verse 2 = "the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose."

Yah know what happens when male parts enter female parts = babies come out of the female

verse 4 - "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and afterward as well"

WHY???
Because GOD is repeating verse 2 = when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men.
And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown.

This is simple sentence structure so that no one is confused by "scholars".......................lol

 

[Grailhunter]

LOL - the GIANTS only popped-out AFTER verse 2 = "the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose."

Again we do not have the information to answer all the questions that these verses bring up.
We don't know where the giants came from, all we know is that there were more than one race of them and they were there before the sons of God mated with the daughters of men.
We do not know that the daughters of men were bad.
But the Bible definitely does not say that the sons of Gods were angels or that they produced giants.
The sons of God produced mighty men of renown....that is all we know.
We do not know what those mighty men did to become renown.
We do not even know for sure if God objected to it.
Because of the lack of information....people come up with assumptions. And that is fine, speculation is fine as long as you admit it is speculation.
The sons of God appear in Job....they are not called angels....and there is nothing said negative about them....nor are they associated with the fall of angels.

 

[David in NJ]

Again we do not have the information to answer all the questions that these verses bring up.
We don't know where the giants came from, all we know is that there were more than one race of them and they were there before the sons of God mated with the daughters of men.
We do not know that the daughters of men were bad.
But the Bible definitely does not say that the sons of Gods were angels or that they produced giants.
The sons of God produced mighty men of renown....that is all we know.
We do not know what those mighty men did to become renown.
We do not even know for sure if God objected to it.
Because of the lack of information....people come up with assumptions. And that is fine, speculation is fine as long as you admit it is speculation.
The sons of God appear in Job....they are not called angels....and there is nothing said negative about them....nor are they associated with the fall of angels.

1.) correction = you do not know, by choice

2.) No where does Genesis ch6 say that the "daughters of men" were especially evil above that of men living at this time.

3.) No where in the entire Scriptures are "the daughters of men" from ch6 singled out as the cause of the evil Nephelim.

4.) In FACT, Scripture does single out the angels as the reason for the great evil perpetuated from them into "the daughters of men"

5.) We do know that this hybrid offspring produced "men of renown" = again, no where else seen in scripture

6.) We do know God objected to it:
a.) HE destroyed all living with the FLOOD
b.) 2 Peter ch2 - For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;

 

[Grailhunter]

correction = you do not know, by choice

I do not know because the scriptures do not give us that information.
Religion and history is not about making things up....that is called a fantasy.
If you apply this type of reasoning to the rest of the scriptures there is no telling what you are going to come up with.

 

[Truth7t7]

I was at Bible camp and sitting around a campfire and talking to a Baptist preacher about heaven...what do we know about it?
I asked, do you think there will be a banquet and good food?
He says, I do not think so, I do not think you will need to eat or have a mouth to eat with.
I asked, do you think there will be romance?
He say, No I think we will be like angel and will not court or marry or even be attracted to female souls.
So I said, No sex?
He said, Of course not, nothing that dirty and sinful.
So I asked, Do you think that heaven will be beautiful?
He said, I do not think you will have eyes to see it if it was.
Well there are trumpets, what about music?
He replied, I don't think you have ears to hear it.

So I nodded my head and thought for a moment and asked him....What do you think hell will be like? LOL

Smiles!

That is many persons concept of the eternal kingdom, angels, harps, etc

Scripture teaches it will have rivers with fish, fisherman, nets, Houses built, vineyards planted, fruit eaten etc

Thanks for the story

 

[Truth7t7]

1.) correction = you do not know, by choice

2.) No where does Genesis ch6 say that the "daughters of men" were especially evil above that of men living at this time.

3.) No where in the entire Scriptures are "the daughters of men" from ch6 singled out as the cause of the evil Nephelim.

4.) In FACT, Scripture does single out the angels as the reason for the great evil perpetuated from them into "the daughters of men"

5.) We do know that this hybrid offspring produced "men of renown" = again, no where else seen in scripture

6.) We do know God objected to it:
a.) HE destroyed all living with the FLOOD
b.) 2 Peter ch2 - For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;

Angels don't maintain human sperm, nor do they marry taking wives upon earth as the Sons of God did below

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

I do not know because the scriptures do not give us that information.
Religion and history is not about making things up....that is called a fantasy.
If you apply this type of reasoning to the rest of the scriptures there is no telling what you are going to come up with.

Scriptures has all the necessary info on this subject.

In fact it couldn't be any more clear then 2 Peter ch2 and Jude

"For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;"

"But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

When you call God's words 'fantasy' you automatically become side-tracked by your own imaginations.

 

[David in NJ]

Angels don't maintain human sperm, nor do they marry taking wives upon earth as the Sons of God did below

Genesis 6:2KJV
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Correct = as long as they remain in their spiritual domain.

Jude 1:5-7
But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

 

[Grailhunter]

Scriptures has all the necessary info on this subject.

In fact it couldn't be any more clear then 2 Peter ch2 and Jude

"For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; if He did not spare the ancient world when He brought the flood on its ungodly people, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, among the eight;"

"But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

When you call God's words 'fantasy' you automatically become side-tracked by your own imaginations.

This has really nothing to do with the story of the sons of God.
And never said God's words are fantasy.....the fantasy is going on between your ears.