How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[ChristisGod]

More ignorance! The Muslims and Jews do follow the same God. And you immediately contradict yourself when you write that they worship him in ignorance! The Jews and Muslims DO worship the same GOD as Christians. To claim otherwise is a lie, even if said in ignorance. And you double down on your ignorance by writing "And the muslims DO NOT WORSHIP GOD at all". The Muslims do worship God (as do the Jews).

How can you write such garbage as "the muslim IS NOT AN RACE JIM. It consists of all sorts of people
like blacks , chinese , americans , europeans , asians and etc". Aside from the atrocious English, people of all ethnicities are Muslims -- and Christians (never mind that you're mixing nationalities and races in your rant).

The rest of your nonsense doesn't deserve a response!

Clueless and ignorant is right since they reject Christ as their great God and Savior. Titus 2:13 and their Creator - John 1, Colossians 1 and Hebrews 1.

You cannot discern the true God from a false gods and the true Christ from false christs .

If I were you I would be more concerned about your false doctrines than the spelling of others on the forum. Log looking at the splinter .

Next

 

[Illuminator]

This is true. Many here have been brainwashed into thinking that following Luther is the same as following Christ.

Don't be so hard on Luther, it's not all his fault he was mentally ill.

They play a religious game. Every sentence has "saved" or "born again" or "point to the cross" or "point to Jesus" ....but it's all a smokescreen. It has no meaning beyond parroting the slogans. And other religiously motivated ones will like it...which only encourages more of the same antics.

Anybody can parrot religious slogans. But try going any deeper than slogans with many here...and you get the same parroted responses. OR....they will attack you as a non-believer. Such is their Pharisaical ways...always trying to be more right and righteous than others. No understanding, no knowledge...no wisdom. And that as seen as a good thing!

No love of the truth...just an empty lip-service. And WHAT a lip-service. It doesn't stop. A religious bigot MUST always drag the conversation down to a slogan fest.

This is a syncretic forum so we need to be thick skinned. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is forbidden, but it's OK when attacking Catholics. The psychotic ramblings of Alexander Hislop (Hislopites) and Jack Chick (Chicklets) (both seriously debunked by a list of Evangelical Protestants) are like the crack-cocaine for the Christian Taliban. It's addictive. The diabolical horrors preached by Alexander Hislop and Jack Chick rots the mind. They are unaware of the Ku Klux Klan mentality they carry into forums. Next we'll hear about the Pope endorsing Islam, and other such stupid and absurd lies.

 

[Johann]

More ignorance! The Muslims and Jews do follow the same God. And you immediately contradict yourself when you write that they worship him in ignorance! The Jews and Muslims DO worship the same GOD as Christians. To claim otherwise is a lie, even if said in ignorance. And you double down on your ignorance by writing "And the muslims DO NOT WORSHIP GOD at all". The Muslims do worship God (as do the Jews).

Muslims/immams worship Allah-not the God of the Hebrews and Goyim.

 

[Johann]

Next we'll hear about the Pope endorsing Islam, and other such stupid and absurd lies.

Yes, the Pope kissed the Quran-I would say that is endorsing/embracing Islam.

 

[Johann]

Like wycliff and others knew . THEY interpeted greek and hebrew . Exactly sister . IF the greek dont line up
with the simple truth , REST ASSURED it is because an agenda is going on . an agenda that cometh NOT OF GOD either
but rather of the dragon and of men who desire the occasion . Have you ever sat and pondered on the simplicity
of this truth . Rather odd that the scholars of late try and teach us
that the men who copied out the truth in said scriptures of english , seemed to fall short .
YET , heed this , ALL OF A SUDDEN near the end of it all , WE HAVE SAVOIRS WHO HAVE FINALLY ARRIVED
to save christainty from the errors of the original bibles . As though somehow GOD
was unable to get a right bible into english , TILL FINALLY NOW . WHAT A JOKE . what a laugh it would be
if it were not so serious . For hundreds and hundreds of years
those poor english speaking people had no true accurate bible , BUT ALAS , NOW THEY FINALLY GOT MEN WHO
can lead us into what the greek really meant and means . YOU DO realize what this really is .
ITS NOTHING MORE than the time has come WHEN THEY , THEY NO LONGER ENDURE sound doctrine
and have heaped to themselves ever so wise sounding greek scholars who teach nothing but fairy tales and fables .
THE NERVE of these wise greek scholars . THEY may as well say MOVE OVER GOD
you couldnt get a right bible into english , LET US DO IT . what a PRIDE FILLED HEART these wicked beings of belial have .

Nothing inherently wrong with Hebrew and Greek @amigo de christo -by learning it you can make a case in any debate-you don't need to be a scholar, in fact, no one is a scholar here.

 

[Johann]

Ummmmm, the guy whose Canon of Scripture that YOU follow (Luther) and whose theology YOU base YOURS on, had THIS to say . . .

“Every disciple will share Jesus’ royal dignity. But Mary is the first and holiest disciple, “full of grace” and first to believe in him (Luke 1:28,45). She is even–unimaginable dignity!–the very Mother of her Lord (1:43). This translates to Queen, if human language and divine revelation have any meaning at all. [Queen of Heaven} ”is a true enough name and yet does not make her a goddess.”(Luther’s Works, 21:327.) In a sermon

“She, the Lady above heaven and earth, must…have a heart so humble that she might have no shame in washing the swaddling clothes or preparing a bath for St. John the Baptist, like a servant girl. What humility! It would surely have been more just to have arranged for her a golden coach, pulled by 4,000 horses, and to cry and proclaim as the carriage proceeded: ‘Here passes the woman who is raised far above all women, indeed above the whole human race.'”

“She was not filled with pride by this praise…this immense praise: ‘No woman is like unto thee! Thou art more than an empress or a queen…blessed above all nobility, wisdom, or saintliness!'”(Ibid., 36:208, 45:107.)

You accuse others of Protestants citing Luther--and here you are quoting Luther?

 

[Johann]

You accuse others of Protestants citing Luther--and here you are quoting Luther?

Details about the Collyridians are so scanty that one of the few specifics we know of them is that at their liturgical service bread was offered as a sacrifice to Mary.

The historical evidence shows that a strong and widespread practice of orthodox devotion to Mary (described by the theologians of that day as hyper-dulia: a Greek term meaning the highest form of veneration that can be offered to a creature) by the 300s, but its remarkable that very few disputes arose on issues pertaining directly to her or her role in the Church... The Collyridians heresy was very simple: They worshiped Mary. This was in direct conflict with the Catholic Church's condemnation of idolatry, as well as the Lord's condemnation (Ex. 20:3-5). This proscription applied not just to statue worship but to the worship of anything besides God… It's ironic that the most diligent opponent of the Collyridians was Epiphanius (315-403), the bishop of Salamis… The vehemence of his opposition to the Collyridians’ idolatry was rivaled by his fanatical opposition to icons…

Epiphanius wrote against the Collyridians in his apologetics work, Panarion (Greek: Medicine Box [A.D. 374-377]), a tour de force refutation of over eighty heresies he was aware of. Interestingly, he refuted the two extreme and diametrically opposed Marian heresies of his day, Collyridianism (which overly exalted Mary) and Antidicomarianitism, an Arabian movement that debased Mary's status and virtues, to the point of claiming "that holy Mary had intercourse with a man, that is to say, Joseph, after the birth of Christ."

The Collyridians were mainly women, who developed a syncretistic combination of Catholicism and pagan Goddess cults customs. After describing the "awful and blasphemous ceremony" in which these women would adorn a chair or a square throne and spread a linen cloth over it for their ritual, Epiphanius writes,

"Certain women there in Arabia have introduced this absurd teaching from Thracia: how they offer up a sacrifice of bread roles in the name of the Ever-Virgin Mary, and all partake of this bread."

He emphasizes the difference between Mary (the holiest, most perfect creature, but a creature nonetheless), and God:

"It is not right to honor the saints beyond their due … Now the body of Mary was indeed holy, but it was not God; the Virgin was indeed virgin and revered, but she was not given to us [by God] for worship, but she herself worshipped Him who was born in the flesh from her…. Honor Mary, but let the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit be worshipped, but let no one worship Mary, … even though Mary is most beautiful and holy and venerable, yet she is not to be worshipped."

The bottom line is this: Anyone who worships Mary or any other creature is committing idolatry and must be rebuked. We should look to Scripture, at the case of the angel who rebuked John for his temptation to idolatry, to see how to admonish modern-day Collyridians:

"At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, ‘Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!’" (Rev. 19:10).

Our Lady herself would say this to any who would seek to worship her. (Madrid, Any Friend of God’s Is a Friend of Mine: A biblical and historical explanation of the Catholic doctrine of the Communion of the Saints [Basilica Press, San Diego, CA 1996], pp. 108-113)

 

[Episkopos]

Muslims/immams worship Allah-not the God of the Hebrews and Goyim.

This is ignorance. Long before the existence of Muslims the Coptic believers in Egypt and other Arabic Christians elsewhere, worshiped Allah....the Arabic word for God.

Pharisees will always look for a way to judge others who are more worthy than themselves in order to bolster their egos. Among a number here, ignorance is celebrated like it was a virtue.

 

[Johann]

This is ignorance. Long before the existence of Muslims the Coptic believers in Egypt and other Arabic Christians elsewhere, worshiped Allah....the Arabic word for God.

The one in ignorance is you-

Coptic Cardinal Accepts Islam


The following is a translation from Arabic, of an audio lecture delivered by a former Cardinal by the name of Abu Ishaq (Isaac) in the Egyptian Coptic Church. I am indebted to my friend Mustafa Ahrawi for the many hours he spent going through the notes of translation with me and I pray that Allah rewards his efforts.

Abu Ishaq recently reverted to Islam and his tale we feel should be an inspiration to Muslims all over the world. That today whilst most of the Muslim world sleeps, there are people struggling for the sake of Islam in the face of constant danger from our enemies is a tragedy of our time. While the majority of Muslims who can make a difference lie back steeped in their insolence and false sense of security it is people of the calibre of Abu Ishaq and others in his situation that remain on the front lines of Islam. Are we not told in the Quran, "Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change their innerselves" (Ra’d - 13:11)? Then the logical question that follows must be, when is each and everyone of us going to start the process of changing our innerselves? Perhaps by the Grace of Allah and His Mercy stories like the one below, will help each and every one of us in striving for the change of our innerselves.

And Allah Knows Best
Sharhabeel Lone

Cardinal Abu Ishaq

I was head of the Missionary Coptic Church of West Africa and Asia. I thank God for coming to Islam. I never thought I would ever become Muslim. I was the biggest enemy of Islam. I thank God again for becoming a Muslim.

After I had exhausted every avenue to find out the truth and searched high and low and when I was convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that Islam was the truth I became a Muslim.

After I had studied in detail all the books of Christianity, I found the name of the Prophet (Muhammad), peace be upon him (pbuh=SAW) (in the texts), even if it is not by the name Muhammad or Ahmed but by its meaning: ‘Variclete’, Al Muazzi (the comforter). But why did I become a Muslim? Did I become a Muslim to obtain wealth?

NO! Because I was getting 3000 (Egyptian) salary and from it I was spending 600 on hashish, other drugs and alcohol. Neither did I become a Muslim to marry a beautiful woman, but I became a Muslim because of the purity of Islam and the mercy and forgiveness in Islam. I became a Muslim because I found the truth and I followed it and I recognised falsehood and rejected it.

Since I was a child at school in ‘Said’, Egypt; then at Sunday school; then at ‘Koliya Lahut’ (Jesus College) in Beirut and then whilst I was doing my doctorate in religion at the Faculty of Theology at Cairo University; never was a lesson or lecture taught which didn’t in some way denigrate Islam and teach us to have a hatred for it.


I called the young man in and said to him " son didn’t you become a Christian?" He replied, "yes I took 35000, but I sold you myself and my body, not my heart and soul! My heart will always remain in the belief of La Ila Ha Ilalla Muhammad Ar Rasool UllAh (That there is no God But Allah and that Muhammad is His Messenger)." He continued by saying that we Christians had the money and he used it to help his family but that he would remain a Muslim. He said " Here I am, you have my body, you can throw me in the Nile, kill me but you cannot stop me from worshipping Ar Rahman (The Most Gracious = God)."

You want to try again?
Who is Ar Rahman-and is this the YHVH of the Scriptures?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

More ignorance! The Muslims and Jews do follow the same God. And you immediately contradict yourself when you write that they worship him in ignorance! The Jews and Muslims DO worship the same GOD as Christians. To claim otherwise is a lie, even if said in ignorance. And you double down on your ignorance by writing "And the muslims DO NOT WORSHIP GOD at all". The Muslims do worship God (as do the Jews).

How can you write such garbage as "the muslim IS NOT AN RACE JIM. It consists of all sorts of people
like blacks , chinese , americans , europeans , asians and etc". Aside from the atrocious English, people of all ethnicities are Muslims -- and Christians (never mind that you're mixing nationalities and races in your rant).

The rest of your nonsense doesn't deserve a response!

this is scary,

I can only wonder if you know God yourself.

They claim to follow the same “God of abraham” but they have turned the true God of Abraham into a different God..

 

[Johann]

this is scary,

I can only wonder if you know God yourself.

They claim to follow the same “God of abraham” but they have turned the true God of Abraham into a different God..

It is scary-

99 Names of Allah (God)

Asma-ul Husna with meanings & 99 Names Memorizer, Alphabetical List, more...

www.islamicity.org

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is ignorance. Long before the existence of Muslims the Coptic believers in Egypt and other Arabic Christians elsewhere, worshiped Allah....the Arabic word for God.

Pharisees will always look for a way to judge others who are more worthy than themselves in order to bolster their egos. Among a number here, ignorance is celebrated like it was a virtue.

Talk about an Ego.

You think your more worthy than anyone else?

You need to study the word my friend. Pharisees think they are worthy and do not need saved.

Thats you my friend

 

[Johann]

This is ignorance. Long before the existence of Muslims the Coptic believers in Egypt and other Arabic Christians elsewhere, worshiped Allah....the Arabic word for God.

This is a contradiction in terms--The Coptic believers in Egypt believed in Allah?

You want to get schooled?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You want to get schooled?

 

[Lizbeth]

This is true. Many here have been brainwashed into thinking that following Luther is the same as following Christ.

They play a religious game. Every sentence has "saved" or "born again" or "point to the cross" or "point to Jesus" ....but it's all a smokescreen. It has no meaning beyond parroting the slogans. And other religiously motivated ones will like it...which only encourages more of the same antics.

Anybody can parrot religious slogans. But try going any deeper than slogans with many here...and you get the same parroted responses. OR....they will attack you as a non-believer. Such is their Pharisaical ways...always trying to be more right and righteous than others. No understanding, no knowledge...no wisdom. And that as seen as a good thing!

No love of the truth...just an empty lip-service. And WHAT a lip-service. It doesn't stop. A religious bigot MUST always drag the conversation down to a slogan fest.

I see. A religious bigot to you is someone who believes that only Jesus saves. Whereas the bible says the gospel is the power of God unto salvation. And also calls it the gospel of salvation for short. Jesus also said there is no other name under heaven by which man can be saved. These aren't slogans, it happens to the be the gospel truth and word of God....you know, the very gospel that Jesus commanded to go into all the world and preach.....the pearl of great price that we ought to treasure and not trash. And that we are not to fear when men call us all sort of names like religious bigots. Sadly, whatever other faiths people are following aren't going to save them, or you either. Those who are standing and building on quicksand must be in denial that there truly is a day of judgment and wrath coming. There is a way that seemeth right to man but leads to death.

 

[Johann]

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Are you familiar with Church history?
Or do you just want to pontificate?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Are you familiar with Church history?

The only “church history” I care about is contained in the holy scriptures.

All other “church history” is corrupted and causes many to err in the faith.

“Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.” (Proverbs 19:27)

 

[Lizbeth]

Duh! The Vatican is a building and the Popes were/are people. And buildings can't teach!

Why should anyone pay attention to you when you write semi-literate garbage like "The liar knoweth how to decieve bread of life. And so do his ministirs" and "yet in truth are what paul called satans ministirs"?

Why don't you make even the slightest effort to write in reasonably-correct English? People are not going to respect what you write if you are so lazy!

Amigo is clearly talking about the institution and people that the Vatican represents......as do many others refer to it that way. Just like you might refer to the "White House" or to "Washington". Why are you being so petty? If you go talk to some Newfoundlanders are you going to keep telling them they need to fix their accent? Or Scotland? I mean, come on now, give it a rest already.

 

[Johann]

The only “church history” I care about is contained in the holy scriptures.

All other “church history” is corrupted and causes many to err in the faith.

“Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.” (Proverbs 19:27)

God willing, the Lord Christ Jesus will send some anointed believers on this platform, apologists-what you bring to the table does not interest me at all.
Like Sam Shamoun-I am having a radical rethink-and you are to lazy to listen to the video clip.
I have no time for lazy pontificators.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

what you bring to the table does not interest me at all.

I bring the Holy Bible.

Your response speaks volumes.

Too many want ear tickling vain speeches.