How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[CadyandZoe]

I see no coincidences in scripture. Coincidence leaves things to chance and not God. :)

Okay, I understand. What I meant to say is that belief and spiritual rebirth probably happen at the same time. How about "contemporaneous"?

 

[Johann]

I am working with the scriptures. I am reacting to the verse you cited. In what sense do we "have" eternal life if the promise of eternal life isn't actualized until the resurrection?

I have adequately explained the verse, to the honor and doxa of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus--look up Haya-you can do that, can't you?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Right, now you want to get personal-I actually expected that, and I have said, over and over again-I am the one that is in need of correction, and would welcome it-but if you want to "label" me then there is nothing further to discuss.
I have given you 4 video clips on Ephesians 2:8-unbiased-straightforward exegeses, and you dismissed them, in my posts, you haven't even take the time, or effort, to read them-do you want to IMPOSE upon me what you believe, or do I take the Scriptures, relying on the Holy Spirit to teach me and to be very selective in what I am posting?

I have a couple of brothers and a sister I am holding myself accountable to, very few, but I treasure them-

you say you know Koine Greek? Then why don't you understand where I come from?

As soon as your theology fails and doesn’t line up to theirs…you will feel abandoned and forsaken and forgotten. Thinking you are the problem. Judged by what doctrines you hold. You can loose your salvation status in their eyes at the snap of the fingers. This is nothing certain in it, nothing shareable unless you first afoot their doctrines, and its unforgiving. Leaving you hungry and without. Knocking on the door. Which they won’t open. Wait. It is coming the wrestling to please them and you never will. Good news is when they say you just need to be more hungry. More starved to keep their debated doctrines…drunken or hungry?

 

[amigo de christo]

SOUND FAMILIAR . They strengthen the hands of the evil and its agenda by promising them all is well

Gay marraige is good , ye have no need to repent
or that all paths are fine ye have no need to repent and believe in CHRIST . and thus the WICKED AGENDA
has GROWN , ITS GROWN IN STRENGTH and in POWER
and oh yeah this make my heart sad , cause i know their end is DEATH .
So much for the false all inclusive social seeker friendly gospel . It gave way to the evil agenda taking over
many places now . FOR NONE does repent of their evil anymore but rather grow worse .
As for me and the lambs , COME what may against us , no matter the cost WE POINTING TO CHRIST and all TRUTH
which is righteous indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, wonderful dream.....it's not by our own self effort and strength....we can do nothing without Him. The scripture that says we must first bind the strong man before we can plunder his house. On a personal level i believe it is talking about the strong man within us.

Lest one cometh to CHRIST how can he bind the flesh .
How can he crucify the flesh . How can a man carry his cross IF HE BELIEVETH NOT ON the ONE WHO
was CRUCIFIED on IT .
How can a man preach christ , the cross , the power o GOD , IF HE has not himself submitted unto THE RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD .
ITS ALL VAIN lest one believes on HE WHO HOLDS ALL POWER . ALL VAIN .
Something EPI better learn REAL fast . HOW can a man be saved , IF HE BELIEVETH NOT ON CHRIST . He cant .
How can man FIND HIS WAY TO GOD , IF HE OMITS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD . HE CANNOT .
By grace i can do this all day . WITHOUT FAITH IN BELIEF IN CHRIST , ALL IS VAIN .
The early church and THEIR CHRIST JESUS , always spoke of the DIRE IMPORTANCE TO BELIEVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
SO my question now is , HOW COME so many have omitted that , and yet try and find some other way IN
some other way to carry their cross , some other way unto GOD , some other way to obtain righteousness .
THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY . HIS NAME is JESUS CHRIST and HE ALONE is who this man GONNA POINT TOO .
I wont point to self , to men , to any other false relgion or mindset . TO CHRIST ALONE is who i shall point too . TO HE ALONE .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have adequately explained the verse, to the honor and doxa of our great God and Savior Christ Jesus--look up Haya-you can do that, can't you?

The simple answer is , look not to self , look not to man , Look not to the created
LOOK TO THE CREATOR and HIS CHRIST . For all else is but vainity in the wind , just puffs and gusts of vain wind which cannot save .
BUT JESUS CAN . SO LOOK UP UNTO HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , TO HE ALONE , yeah , i say , TO HE ALONE .
Be well dug in the scrips , cause any jesus which contradicts that CHRIST , ITS A FALSE ONE MY FRIEND .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

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SOUND FAMILIAR . They strengthen the hands of the evil and its agenda by promising them all is well

Gay marraige is good , ye have no need to repent
or that all paths are fine ye have no need to repent and believe in CHRIST . and thus the WICKED AGENDA
has GROWN , ITS GROWN IN STRENGTH and in POWER
and oh yeah this make my heart sad , cause i know their end is DEATH .
So much for the false all inclusive social seeker friendly gospel . It gave way to the evil agenda taking over
many places now . FOR NONE does repent of their evil anymore but rather grow worse .
As for me and the lambs , COME what may against us , no matter the cost WE POINTING TO CHRIST and all TRUTH
which is righteous indeed .

I’ll go ahead and own it. I’d rather go sit at a table with gays who are bitter and angry with God, confused over what they have been told and seen as God…that He only forgives some people’s sins, but can’t possibly forgive them. See, wave the jesus card around and say you can remain in your sins since you have the card. I’ve seen the fire, brimstone, hell preachers at the fair attacking the gays, screaming how they are going to burn in hell. While their own marriages do not represent Christ either. You do realize He said a whore will enter in before the religious will…who need no forgiveness. I guess they don’t…not with the we love Jesus card. Jesus did not beat down “the trash” but it instead went without to the dung heap, and there he put His cross…it was the religious he whipped out of the temple.

 

[Johann]

As soon as your theology fails and doesn’t line up to theirs…you will feel abandoned and forsaken and forgotten. Thinking you are the problem. Judged by what doctrines you hold. You can loose your salvation status in their eyes at the snap of the fingers. This is nothing certain in it, nothing shareable unless you first afoot their doctrines, and its unforgiving. Leaving you hungry and without. Knocking on the door. Which they won’t open. Wait. It is coming the wrestling to please them and you never will. Good news is when they say you just need to be more hungry. More starved to keep their debated doctrines…drunken or hungry?

This is where you and I differ--I don't seek followers not the accolades of men in this world's amphitheater and don't fear the face of man.
I believe in once saved, ALWAYS saved-

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


Joshua 1:9 - Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.

2 Timothy 1:7 - For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.

Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

Psalm 37:4 - Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Psalm 28:7 - The Lord is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped; my heart exults, and with my song I give thanks to him.

John 16:33 - I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Psalm 34:4 - I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.

Romans 15:13 - May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 - Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

If you stick around, you'll come to know me, that's IF you want to.

 

[amigo de christo]

I’ll go ahead and own it. I’d rather go sit at a table with gays who are bitter and angry with God, confused over what they have been told and seen as God…that He only forgives some people’s sins, but can’t possibly forgive them. See, wave the jesus card around and say you can remain in your sins since you have the card. I’ve seen the fire, brimstone, hell preachers at the fair attacking the gays, screaming how they are going to burn in hell. While their own marriages do not represent Christ either. You do realize He said a whore will enter in before the religious will…who need no forgiveness. I guess they don’t…not with the we love Jesus card. Jesus did not beat down “the trash” but it instead went without to the dung heap, and there he put His cross…it was the religious he whipped out of the temple.

Then you sit at the table of belial . WHY not rather LOVE THEM and show them their error .
WHY leave them IN SIN and grave danger . cause i just dont see the love of GOD in that .
My daughter might love to skate on ice , but rest assured i aint gonna let her skate on thin ice
just to prove my love to her . ME IS GONNA WARN HER , CAUSE I LOVE HER , NOT TO SKATE ON THIN ICE .
Yet you embrace their sin , you embrace their bitterness and anger against GOD .
You do realize it was GOD who first said NOT TO DO such a thing .
Warning is not the same as beating down . HOW OFTEN JESUS warned , how often he cried WOE UNTO THEE
as far as homosexuality , IT aint the only sin either . I grow weary of not only those who support it , wont correct it
i grow weary with those who though they do expose it , THEY OWN THEIR OWN SIN and LOVE OF MONEY .
ITS TOTAL HYPROCRISY . And i correct all sin , not just some sins .

 

[marks]

As soon as your theology fails and doesn’t line up to theirs…you will feel abandoned and forsaken and forgotten. Thinking you are the problem. Judged by what doctrines you hold. You can loose your salvation status in their eyes at the snap of the fingers. This is nothing certain in it, nothing shareable unless you first afoot their doctrines, and its unforgiving. Leaving you hungry and without. Knocking on the door. Which they won’t open. Wait. It is coming the wrestling to please them and you never will. Good news is when they say you just need to be more hungry. More starved to keep their debated doctrines…drunken or hungry?

They who? Of whom do you write?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

This is where you and I differ--I don't seek followers not the accolades of men in this world's amphitheater and don't fear the face of man.
I believe in once saved, ALWAYS saved-

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


Joshua 1:9 - Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.

2 Timothy 1:7 - For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.

Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

Psalm 37:4 - Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Psalm 28:7 - The Lord is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped; my heart exults, and with my song I give thanks to him.

John 16:33 - I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Psalm 34:4 - I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.

Romans 15:13 - May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 - Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

If you stick around, you'll come to know me, that's IF you want to.

Me neither my friend . IF i based my salavtion and hope on mens approval , I BEEN DONE IN A LONG TIME AGO .
MANY have forsaken me . MANY call me a devil or an anti christ , a hater or some four letter words i wont be repeating .
NOPE . our hope is in THE LORD no matter the cost to us . Though i desire life for all
I know and understand that i am gonna be hated by many . even those who hate me cannot move me from my hope in CHRIST
and even those who hate me , my desire is only GOOD for their souls . ITS WHY i correct , its why i warn
Now march on in the trenches my friend . TO CHRIST ALONE shall we point and love and embrace all the truth in scripture .

 

[marks]

You do realize He said a whore will enter in before the religious will…who need no forgiveness.

That's not actually what He said, and subtle shifts of wording introduce subtle shifts of thought. He didn't say this about "the religious", and He didn't say it as a principle. If you post the quote it will limit what you can say about it.

He addressed the chief priests and elders, a certain group of men who disdained the tax collectors and prostitutes, telling them that these are getting in before they were.

Matthew 21:31-32 KJV
31) Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32) For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Me neither my friend . IF i based my salavtion and hope on mens approval , I BEEN DONE IN A LONG TIME AGO .
MANY have forsaken me . MANY call me a devil or an anti christ , a hater or some four letter words i wont be repeating .
NOPE . our hope is in THE LORD no matter the cost to us . Though i desire life for all
I know and understand that i am gonna be hated by many . even those who hate me cannot move me from my hope in CHRIST
and even those who hate me , my desire is only GOOD for their souls . ITS WHY i correct , its why i warn
Now march on in the trenches my friend . TO CHRIST ALONE shall we point and love and embrace all the truth in scripture .

You are my brother/sister?--you have a pathos, zest and zeal for Christ Jesus, all for His glory--and I respect you.
Johann.

 

[amigo de christo]

They who? Of whom do you write?

Much love!

It matters not how man treats me . I am stayed GLUED TO CHRIST , SEALED BY THE SPIRIT .
My HOPE IN HE ALONE .
Too many often do get too easily offended and some do leave the truth due to the treatment of men gone wrong .
Not this lamb . FOR THE LOVE OF GOD is SHED UPON my heart . AND now i love the TRUTH
and the TRUTH has set me free . No matter the cost , WE WIN cause JESUS WON THE VICTORY .
man gonna do as man gonna do and many will suffer , be heaviliy persecuted and even die .
STILL WE WIN , FOR JESUS WON . STILL THE VICTORY IS OURS FOR HE HAS THE VICTORY and HE HAS the lambs .
Just SING to the LORD . HE is our hope and our salvation .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This is where you and I differ--I don't seek followers not the accolades of men in this world's amphitheater and don't fear the face of man.
I believe in once saved, ALWAYS saved-

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


Joshua 1:9 - Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.

2 Timothy 1:7 - For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.

Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through him who strengthens me.

Psalm 37:4 - Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Psalm 28:7 - The Lord is my strength and my shield; in him my heart trusts, and I am helped; my heart exults, and with my song I give thanks to him.

John 16:33 - I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.

Mark 11:24 - Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Psalm 34:4 - I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.

Romans 15:13 - May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.

1 Thessalonians 5:11 - Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

If you stick around, you'll come to know me, that's IF you want to.

I do want to know you. But seeing more and more this place can rob you of any small morsel of bread you may have. A common occurrence round here…always needing to get away or distance yourself …reading it over and over of others leaving…because it will bring the worst out in you. You asked if you had offended me. No. No harm done…ok?

 

[amigo de christo]

That's not actually what He said, and subtle shifts of wording introduce subtle shifts of thought. He didn't say this about "the religious", and He didn't say it as a principle. If you post the quote it will limit what you can say about it.

He addressed the chief priests and elders, a certain group of men who disdained the tax collectors and prostitutes, telling them that these are getting in before they were.

Matthew 21:31-32 KJV
31) Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32) For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Much love!

Yeah they forget the part where JESUS said , FOR THEY REPENTED , key word , REPENTED at the preaching of JOHN
who i might add POINTED TO JESUS CHRIST .
THATS WHY the harlots and publicans enter in . CAUSE THEY REPENTED . He never implied otherwise .
HE said cause they REPENTED . YEAH see how they forget THAT PART .

 

[Johann]

That's not actually what He said, and subtle shifts of wording introduce subtle shifts of thought. He didn't say this about "the religious", and He didn't say it as a principle. If you post the quote it will limit what you can say about it.

He addressed the chief priests and elders, a certain group of men who disdained the tax collectors and prostitutes, telling them that these are getting in before they were.

Matthew 21:31-32 KJV
31) Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
32) For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Much love!

Subtle twists, sleight of the hands/words-peiradzo-ing
Shalom brother.
J.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are my brother/sister?--you have a pathos, zest and zeal for Christ Jesus, all for His glory--and I respect you.
Johann.

Oh i am a brother my friend . Now lift those hands up and praise and thank the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Subtle twists, sleight of the hands/words-peiradzo-ing
Shalom brother.
J.

if i want to count to twenty i can take off my shoes and socks , but what does peiradzo mean .
Just asking . Now lift those hands up and praise the King . The world counts me a dumb one
but praise GOD i had rather KNOW CHRIST.
Do you know i once had such a mind for wisdom . Folks would praise my intellect
my quick skills at math and philosphies and etc . IT WAS ALL DUNG . GOD had to SHOW ME THAT .
Better to become a fool to this worlds wisdom , than be wise to IT and a fool to the wisdom of GOD .
AS i am SURE YOU DO AGREE my friend . Its why i often laugh at even myself when others now see me
as uneduated and dumb . Even make comments about having to take off my shoes to get to twenty .
CAUSE NONE OF THAT MATTERS to me anymore . OH IT ONCE DID , I LOVED the PRAISE OF MEN
I LOVED the flattery . NOW its all dead and empty . I say LET GOD GET ALL THE GLORY .
All i ever deserved and earned was hell , BUT HE SENT Grace to one vile hog my friend . SO THIS man
GONNA GLORY and BOAST IN THE LORD . now lift those hands up , ITS LORD PRAISING TIME in the building

 

[Johann]

if i want to count to twenty i can take off my shoes and socks , but what does peiradzo mean .

Lol!

πειράζω
peirazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to try whether a thing can be done
1a) to attempt, endeavour
2) to try, make trial of, test: for the purpose of ascertaining his quantity, or what he thinks, or how he will behave himself
2a) in a good sense
2b) in a bad sense, to test one maliciously, craftily to put to the proof his feelings or judgments
2c) to try or test one’s faith, virtue, character, by enticement to sin
2c1) to solicit to sin, to tempt
2c1a) of the temptations of the devil
2d) after the OT usage
2d1) of God: to inflict evils upon one in order to prove his character and the steadfastness of his faith
2d2) men are said to tempt God by exhibitions of distrust, as though they wished to try whether he is not justly distrusted
2d3) by impious or wicked conduct to test God’s justice and patience, and to challenge him, as it were to give proof of his perfections.
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3984

Shalom amigo.