Is Reincarnation baloney?

[Wrangler]

while this is an end, it's also a beginning.

Reincarnationists have rudimentary concept formations. The end of a thing is not the beginning of that same thing.

You have to keep changing your frame of reference to appear that you are not talking nonsense. Still, it is nonsense.

 

[Enoch111]

No one owns exclusive rights to the concept of reincarnation.

Actually Hinduism does. And all the rest is Wikepedia baloney.

 

[Mr E]

"The seed" is a metaphor for the Spirit of God being accepted by people. It is not a metaphor for a person; a person who repeatedly dies and is repeatedly born.

You'll have to argue that one with Jesus. He clearly explained, when asked what it meant. --And he said you better listen.

“Explain to us the parable of the darnel in the field.” He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world and the good seed are the people of the kingdom. The poisonous weeds are the people of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels. As the poisonous weeds are collected and burned with fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather from his kingdom everything that causes sin as well as all lawbreakers. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. The one who has ears had better listen!

 

[Mr E]

Beginning in Rev 2 we have the amazing accounts John provides of what he witnessed in spirit. He sat and watched and listened and then reported all he had seen and heard regarding the judgment of seven spirits. These he offers in the form of letters written to those seven angels-- a 'calling out' and reading of the verdicts-- it begins this way, the judge previously identified in Rev 1.

“This is the solemn pronouncement of the one who has a firm grasp on the seven stars in his right hand —the one who walks among the seven golden lampstands:

Each judgment lists the challenges, the offences and consequences, and also the reward given to those who overcome the challenges.

For the purposes of this 'rebirth' conversation, it's the rewards for these overcomers I'm going to focus on.

 

[Wrangler]

You'll have to argue that one with Jesus. He clearly explained, when asked what it meant. --And he said you better listen.

... the good seed are the people of the kingdom. The poisonous weeds are the people of the evil one...

So, in your theology, the people of the Kingdom of God do NOT have the Spirit of God abiding in them. Gotcha.

Obviously, you will keep doubling down that reincarnation is Biblical when it contradicts the Bible and your rationalizations will necessarily become more elaborate. To summarize your thought process; Jesus told a parable about seeds, which means reincarnation Biblical. Wow!

 

[Mr E]

I honestly don't know how so many miss it. The story starts "in the beginning" and we have no trouble believing it. The story details the concept. Jesus comes later and expounds.

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. The LORD God planted a garden toward the east, in Eden; and there He placed the man whom He had formed.

...the people of the Kingdom of God do NOT have the Spirit of God abiding in them.

See how that works?

I don't agree with you Buck. How about you summarize you, and I'll summarize me?

 

[Mr E]

I'll hone in on this one---

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

What people often call the letters to the seven churches are in fact, letters to the angels (or spirits) of the seven churches. They are judgments on those angels at a particular time-- kind of a review if you will, and one by one 'to the one who overcomes' rewards are given including that one noted above. The white stone? -With a new name?

Welcome back. (you must be born again)

 

[Wrangler]

See how that works?

I don't agree with you Buck. How about you summarize you, and I'll summarize me?

No. You're always trying to get me to communicate the way you prefer. Of course you disagree. Doesn't mean the summary I wrote is inaccurate.

I honestly don't know how so many miss it. The story starts "in the beginning"

P1. The story begins in the beginning.
C. Reincarnation

Brilliant

 

[Mr E]

No. You're always trying to get me to communicate the way you prefer. Of course you disagree. Doesn't mean the summary I wrote is inaccurate.


P1. The story begins in the beginning.
C. Reincarnation

Brilliant

I hope I was clear. I don't care if you agree. That's on you. It's his words you contest. I share what the Christ taught and you oppose it.

He gives you the keys to (understanding) the kingdom and you dismiss his words- hiding those keys and standing against Christ. Anti.

You yourself don't understand, because you don't understand even that first principle that he said you MUST first understand in order to understand anything else. You've become a bit of a troll here now, adding nothing to the conversation, attempting always to take away from it-- saying the same thing over and over-- insisting that I provide scripture and when I do, you reject it and the one I'm quoting. Good luck with that.

 

[Mr E]

Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.

 

[Wrangler]

insisting that I provide scripture and when I do, you reject it

Dude! The Bible does not teach reincarnation. That's why providing Scripture is such a challenge for you.

'In the begining = Reincarnation' rationalization ought to be rejected.

 

[Mr E]

Dude! The Bible does not teach reincarnation. That's why providing Scripture is such a challenge for you.

'In the begining = Reincarnation' rationalization ought to be rejected.

If you can’t get your head around the very basic principle give in the beginning you’ll never understand anything. His words.

Hello? Adam? Dirt man? Soil man? Earth man?

Can you hear me now? What is the seed? Figure that out and realize YOU are the soil.

 

[Wrangler]

Hello? Adam? Dirt man? Soil man? Earth man?

Can you hear me now? What is the seed? Figure that out and realize YOU are the soil.

Good grief. Human. Dirt. Not the same thing. Dirt never gives me as much grief as you.

Regarding your question of where the seed came from. It presupposes there was seed in the creation of Adam. Perhaps you are speaking metaphorically?

How you suppose this question defends reincarnation is not connected. "Adam was created = Reincarnation" ought to be rejected. It's like you are almost making a defense but there's a dissconnect from your premise to your conclusion.

 

[friend of]

Technically that is another Life

It's the same life. If it were another life, it would be a different person.

In fact, it is a form of reincarnation

Jesus did not reincarnate, He resurrected. All those in Christ will be resurrected, not reincarnated. You have confused the terms.

 

[friend of]

I would have to disagree that the verse teaches that Humans only get one life. The wording does not match

If it is appointed for all men to die once then it logically follows that all men are alive once. If all men were alive more than once then Paul would say all men are appointed to die more than once. Just take it at face value.

After passing through, they go to Moloch which is symbolic of the womb of the Earth Mother

I have no idea where anyone would get such an occultic teaching, much less believe in it. Molech was a false god from the OT. Molech is not "mother earth"

The seed" is a metaphor for the Spirit of God being accepted by people. It is not a metaphor for a person; a person who repeatedly dies and is repeatedly born

The seed which dies does not itself die again, it dies only once, producing a harvest of either corruption or righteousness, as per the parable.

 

[QuantumBit]

I was hoping to be done with this thread since most of you here are unable to debate in an honest manner. I am reminded of the quote at the bottom of this website...

"Our community has been around for many years and pride ourselves on offering unbiased, critical discussion among people of all different backgrounds"

It's the same life. If it were another life, it would be a different person.

See how disingenuous your responses are? This is typical of what I am seeing in this thread.

Every Christian knows that the Saved become New Creatures after the resurrection...

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

Galatians 6:15
"For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature."

Ephesians 4:24
"And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness."

Colossians 3:10
"And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him"

How can you even make a comment like that and expect to be taken seriously? It is as if this place is filled with liars.

Jesus did not reincarnate, He resurrected. All those in Christ will be resurrected, not reincarnated. You have confused the terms.

When Jesus returned after the Crucifixion, did anybody recognize him right away?

Luke 24:31-32
"And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?"

Resurrection is simply part of the reincarnation process. Again, the Bible has its own version and defines the terms. Until you and the others here understand the terminology, you will be lost in these debates.

Once again...

Some are reincarnated into Glorified Bodies, and some are reincarnated into a Body of corruption. Both happen *after* Resurrection.

 

[QuantumBit]

If it is appointed for all men to die once...

There you go again, changing the Word of God like so many others. Read the last few verses of Revelation to see how big of a crime that is.

If all men were alive more than once then Paul would say all men are appointed to die more than once. Just take it at face value.

Now you are telling me what God should have wrote? You have got to be kidding.

Again, there are those who died more than one time. There are those who never died. There is the Second Death. It is one contradiction after another that you and others here teach.

Molech was a false god from the OT.

OK, and?

Molech is not "mother earth"

Prove it. The Bible is replete with Mother Earth Goddesses. We came from the dust of what? The ground.

We are born from where?

Psalms 139:15
"My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth."

You had better acknowledge the above verse or you are a False Teacher.

The seed which dies does not itself die again, it dies only once, producing a harvest of either corruption or righteousness, as per the parable.

Here is a verse that you and the other "who cares what God says" people in this thread will never believe...

1 Corinthians 15:36
"Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die"

According to the Word of God, only that which has died physically can be quickened again.

Now, apply that to this verse and witness the severity of your misunderstanding...

Ephesians 2:1
"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins"

You were DEAD in a previous Life... in 'times past'. You were Quickened again. You were reincarnated.

The verse teaches NOTHING of this so called 'Spiritual Death'. You people added that word to hide reincarnation from your fragile minds.

Dead means dead... period. Shame on all of you for adding to the Word of God. No wonder we have so many plagues now.

 

[friend of]

I was hoping to be done with this thread since most of you here are unable to debate in an honest manner. I am reminded of the quote at the bottom of this website..

Hey man. I am trying to be respectful. We disagree, but I'm not belittling you or name-calling.

 

[friend of]

When Jesus returned after the Crucifixion, did anybody recognize him right away?

So are you saying Jesus looked different then? As in, his face was different? I don't think so. That's not why they didn't recognize him. They didn't recognize him for the same reason they didn't understand when He told them about His upcoming death.

There you go again, changing the Word of God like so many others.

Are you for real? How can you accuse me of such a thing? Here is the EXACT scripture I quoted: Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,"

After the judgement, the saved and unsaved are separated for eternity. The unsaved experience the second death, while the saved put on immortality and are resurrected to eternal life.

Prove it. The Bible is replete with Mother Earth Goddesses. We came from the dust of what? The ground.

Where in the bible does it say that Molech, a Caananite god IIRC, is "mother earth"? Where does this idea originate? Molech is male also btw. Even I know that much.

According to the Word of God, only that which has died physically can be quickened again

Quickened again, (aka) resurrection to eternal life. This only happens once to an individual soul. Not many times, as reincarnation teaches.

You were DEAD in a previous Life... in 'times past'. You were Quickened again. You were reincarnated.

It's talking about the same life before said person was born again.

 

[friend of]

Irregardless, the very concept of reincarnation is unscriptural and this is Christianity 101.