How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Waiting on him]

I’d further say that many here are the seed of abram.

 

[ChristisGod]

I’d further say that many here are the seed of abram.

True if they have been saved by faith and are born again.

 

[Waiting on him]

True if they have been saved by faith and are born again.

Seems they’d know by now Abram isn’t their daddy.

If.

 

[Waiting on him]

True if they have been saved by faith and are born again.

Hey did you post earlier that you were a Calvin for forty years?

 

[Waiting on him]

I just happened to remember a post that seemed too indicate that?

 

[Waiting on him]

I participated in the Baptist faith for about 25 years.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

That parable warns and exhorts, that's what it does. Nothing more, nothing less. And Jesus hadn't yet died on the cross when He spoke it.

Exactly. The condemnation spoken before Christ did what no other man would do. John looked and heard “behold the Lamb of God”?

The verse on my app today comes from
Isaiah 30:12-23. I get this was to the Jews. But to me it says a lot in “a breaking will come suddenly and in an instant” “and He shall break it as the breaking of the potters’ vessel that is broken to pieces’
‘He shall not spare” …Paul said something similar “this is the third time I come to you, if I come again I will not spare”
Back to Isaiah “so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a shred to take fire from the hearth…your iniquity as a breech ready to fall, swelling out of a high wall…who demolished the high wall?


Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because you despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: [13] Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant. [14] And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit. [15] For thus saith the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall you be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not. [16] But you said, No; for we will flee upon horses; therefore shall you flee: and, We will ride upon the swift; therefore shall they that pursue you be swift. [17] One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall you flee: till you be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill. [18] And therefore will the Lord wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you: for the Lord is a God of judgment: blessed are all they that wait for him. [19] For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto you at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer you. 20] And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but your eyes shall see thy teachers: [21] And your ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk you in it, when you turn to the right hand, and when you turn to the left. [22] You shall defile also the covering of your graven images of silver, and the ornament of thy molten images of gold: you shall cast them away as a menstruous cloth; you will say unto it, Get thee hence. [23] Then shall he give the rain of your seed, that you shall sow the ground withal; and bread of the increase of the earth, and it shall be fat and plenteous: in that day shall thy cattle feed in large pastures.

 

[ChristisGod]

Hey did you post earlier that you were a Calvin for forty years?

Yes I was.

 

[Waiting on him]

till you be left as a beacon upon the top of a mountain

Wonder who this is speaking of?

Clue: it’s not me.

 

[Lizbeth]

I can see what you mean about condemnation. Where you said it is “a warning” (did I understand that correctly?) like the parables were a warning also. But there is the ministration of condemnation. Which had glory. But there is a ministration that excels in Glory; the ministration of the Spirit. Which are we under and of…is the question I have?


You said:
“This parable corrects that wrong attitude, for both Jew and Gentile....because that unfortunately is also an attitude that self-righteous believing Gentiles can have as well.”

To me you nailed it. The warning being a self-righteous attitude…excluding the gentiles. You hinted at sadly the same self-righteous attitude the gentiles have as well. If that is indeed the condemnation then to me the warning is “He tore down” “removed” the partition wall between” making of two …One. But that isn’t what the parable warns about “who repaired the breech” …instead the parable is to boast who is on the right side and who is on the wrong. To me, or at least in my opinion…the parable is said to promote self-righteousness instead of demolishing it where…the warning was about self-Righteousness. Is that is the warning…then is not the heart of the parable is what Christ has repaired, restored, healed, removed? Or about those on the left and those on the right? This coming from a church that says “it is a free gift guys”.

yes, the ministration of the Spirit......and by the Spirit Jesus and the apostles did faithfully warn and exhort. No need for quotation marks as if warn is a dirty word, when it is entirely biblical and kosher, not to mention necessary, under the new covenant.

Think we should just receive the illustration of the parable like a child (humble) would, and not overcomplicate or overreach what Jesus was intending to simply illustrate.

 

[Waiting on him]

1 Corinthians 14:20 KJV
[20] Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes I would be curious to know as well sister.

I just didn't know what Epi had to do with this particular part of the conversation. I haven't been able to concentrate and keep up very well, but don't remember that he said anything about it.

 

[Lizbeth]

I have no idea as I don’t follow him?

Just didn't know what he has to do with what me and Victory are discussing.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

yes, the ministration of the Spirit......and by the Spirit Jesus and the apostles did faithfully warn and exhort. No need for quotation marks as if warn is a dirty word, when it is entirely biblical and kosher, not to mention necessary, under the new covenant.

Think we should just receive the illustration of the parable like a child (humble) would, and not overcomplicate or overreach what Jesus was intending to simply illustrate.

I don’t think warning is a dirty word. I used the quotes instead to validate the warning or accentuate it. I guess I should have boldened it instead. The warning to me though is the parable is not to boast our rightness and the “good” side but the warning is to tear down boasting in-between. The rich man begs for a drop of water to quench his thirst. We quote it. Jesus Christs’ own words with men it impossible for a rich man to enter in but with God nothing is impossible. We can say the point is the rich man can’t enter. Or that with God all things are possible. The parable about the foolish and the wise. Also a warning in my opinion. The wise say “nay. There is not enough for me and you.” Christ says “wake up you who sleep. I will give you Light.” No boasting in it. Every one and any one who asks for light…never does he say “Nay, there is not enough for me and you.”
Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of you shall build the old waste places: you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; and you (Christ) shall be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

 

[GTW27]

Go to and examine well what the days and times looked like in Israel , jerusalem
RIGHT before GOD JUDGED and destroyed his own people . those who lipped his name but their hearts were far from him .

Blessings in Christ Jesus amigo de christo. Kinda like an unwalled city that says, "God Bless (this unwalled city) while their backs are turned on The Lord and His ways, while holding abominations, in their left hand, and their right. Unless repentance is heard in this unwalled city, His hand will not be turned back.

 

[Lizbeth]

1 Corinthians 14:20 KJV
[20] Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

Also says "Except ye become as little children...." . It is possible to overreach the Lord, I mean we sure can if we want to..... and that is a snare (pride).

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And they that shall be of you shall build the old waste places:

And they that shall be of you will build the old waste places?

What are the old waste places that they of Him will build? Restore. Repair.

One doctrine says the old waste places has to do with a literal wasted place …some futuristic …building up of dirt, brick and mortar.

Build up one another.
Edification.
The ministration of the Spirit given not for destruction but to build, to edify, to lift up. You (let the Spirit that was in Christ be in you, be of this mind) shall raise up the foundations of many generations; and you (Christ) shall be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

that which has been wasted is people …they are what is to be edified, lifted up, built up. Does God give the Gifts of the Spirit for that to be possible? Having all things sufficient in Him, prepare for edification and rebuilding not dirt and brick and mortar that has been wasted…but the Temple of God which Temple you are.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don’t think warning is a dirty word. I used the quotes instead to validate the warning or accentuate it. I guess I should have boldened it instead. The warning to me though is the parable is not to boast our rightness and the “good” side but the warning is to tear down boasting in-between. The rich man begs for a drop of water to quench his thirst. We quote it. Jesus Christs’ own words with men it impossible for a rich man to enter in but with God nothing is impossible. We can say the point is the rich man can’t enter. Or that with God all things are possible. The parable about the foolish and the wise. Also a warning in my opinion. The wise say “nay. There is not enough for me and you.” Christ says “wake up you who sleep. I will give you Light.” No boasting in it. Every one and any one who asks for light…never does he say “Nay, there is not enough for me and you.”
Isaiah 58:12 And they that shall be of you shall build the old waste places: you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; and you (Christ) shall be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

Golly, is all that what Jesus was trying to teach with that parable?

Well, yes, Jesus repairs the breach between God and man (through faith in Him), but that wasn't the point of that story about Lazarus and the rich man. I mean repairing the breach just isn't the lesson that it is illustrating.

 

[Waiting on him]

Also says "Except ye become as little children...." . It is possible to overreach the Lord, I mean we sure can if we want to..... and that is a snare (pride).

Also says there are those that prevent from entering in those that would

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Golly, is all that what Jesus was trying to teach with that parable?

Well, yes, Jesus repairs the breach between God and man (through faith in Him), but that wasn't the point of that story about Lazarus and the rich man. I mean repairing the breach just isn't the lesson that it is illustrating.

“I mean repairing the breach just isn't the lesson that it is illustrating.”
Reconciling is every thing.