How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Episkopos]

As we grow, the Lord opens more of His word to us. And what He reveals helps us to grow more, showing us the way forward......His word being a lamp unto our feet and light unto our path.

A light to OUR path. This is the way of righteousness...to follow the Spirit in our own strength.

Then there is the New Covenant that is to walk IN Him. In Him is no sin.

 

[Lizbeth]

Thanks for asking though. For at least not laughing. I know it sounds crazy. But to me that eliminates faking it. It not being some absence-minded confession … but how powerful Christ entering in beyond the veil, is towards us. Not about His own putting off of the flesh, but the removal of our veil, the removal through the circumcision of Christ, piercing beyond that veil. Paul’s says that frequently too …the power of God works mighty towards you.
To me that is beyond anything self can do. (Or even fake) …maybe because self isn’t concerned with “towards you” but “towards self”?

Seems that circumcision of our flesh IS what is happening as we WALK out what already has happened. The Lord certainly HAS pierced beyond the veil for us, but also it is happening in us as we WALK.....a breaking/tearing of the veil of our flesh......since our walk is FOLLOWING in His footsteps to the crucifixion of our self-life. Which in my experience and observation seems to be a progressive thing that is happening. I'm not the same person I was back in the beginning of this walk of faith. But also I know there is still some work to be done.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

well you definitely have a humble heart. I pray you share some of that with your husband. Not sure if he is angry or what. But he has some soul searching to do

I’m not as humble as you think. My husband can tell you this. I don’t know what to say to his being attacked, or put down. Although I’ve done it too. What I can’t figure out is how he could feel or act like this is my being against him. I don’t think being against him is desiring more Christ likeness between us. I don’t think it is evil to want better for someone. To not know how, but to want better. Enough even, to read about what is better than fighting. To where we are not condemning or ruining one another, and in return ruining and destroying ourselves in the process. That is why all those passages stand out to me, that is why I read and study them and want to talk about Hope, because I do desire better between us. I’m interested. Regardless of what that looks like, is it wrong to hope in God saying He has made room for me in my husbands heart? To hope for that? Regardless if I’m met with resistance. Would it be wrong for my husband to hope God has made room in my heart for him. Regardless of if he is met with resistance?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

and in no way have suffered any religious persecution.

But you have been persecuted. You tell me that I always judge you, and always condemn you. So much so you moved away to get away from “religious persecution”. You call me a sanctimonious play actor who believes she is a first century Jew. How you can keep coming at me with this as being proof He was only talking to the Jews sitting there with him. Then why why is there claims of religious persecution between us? What does the keeping of this narrative do for you? Because I afraid, sad, and have no clue how we ended up here.

 

[Episkopos]

Seems that circumcision of our flesh IS what is happening as we WALK out what already has happened. The Lord certainly HAS pierced beyond the veil for us, but also it is happening in us as we WALK.....a breaking/tearing of the veil of our flesh......since our walk is FOLLOWING in His footsteps to the crucifixion of our self-life. Which in my experience and observation seems to be a progressive thing that is happening. I'm not the same person I was back in the beginning of this walk of faith. But also I know there is still some work to be done.

You are comparing self with self here. No one is crucified one cell at a time. Purity is an instant gift of grace through faith. Don't confuse being weaned of the flesh...a gradual thing...with being crucified by heavenly power.

We are weaned FROM something....not TO something.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes....we are enslaved, entombed within the outer man until we are crucified to be liberated into resurrection life in the inner man.

Now many here will make that a common thing...claiming to "have it all" already and reducing the high calling to a human effort of slow "improvement" over many years. But this flies in the face of the gift of life....that is by grace through faith.

The irony is that they are claiming to be saved by grace while they are trying to attain to it with their efforts...and NEVER getting there. Whereas an instant grace gives one the very holiness of God.

There are two ways we can go....one is to be present with the Lord and the other absent. But in either case we are to be humble and fearing...so that we can AT LEAST be acceptable to God (if not pleasing).

In building a human religious institution, people have organized God out of it.


Amen.

Yes....the loss of all things...to gain...everything.

More gobblygook. To be absent from the Lord is to be absent from our bodies and present with Him in heaven . That’s the context not how you have conflated the meaning .

 

[Lizbeth]

A light to OUR path. This is the way of righteousness...to follow the Spirit in our own strength.

Then there is the New Covenant that is to walk IN Him. In Him is no sin.

Not our own strength, but it is yielding to and obeying HIS righteousness in us. He does not share His glory with another and God forbid that we should steal His glory for ourselves.

But quite right with your second sentence. That is why when we are walking in Him, we do not sin. Eg, I have seen the Lord come to my defense at times when I rested in Him and didn't come to my own defense or retaliate. That is one little example of walking in the spirit. Doesn't necessarily mean a believer is going to be in the spirit at all times, but we should endeavour to be so more, as we abide in the Vine.

The bible says we may TASTE the powers of the world to come, and it is still possible to fall away. But it doesn't say we will necessarily be walking in that at all times. We may have experiences with the Lord to encourage us etc, but it is not His will that we remain there......for some things we would have to die or be translated entirely in order to stay "there". Paul didn't remain in the Third heaven.

But I think persecution and trials is really a necessary ingredient for the church to be walking in the spirit more consistently and to a greater degree. It's one reason why the Lord allows darkness, that His glory may be seen all the more! Those kinds of trials provide the opportunity and reason for His spirit to arise and shine. That's why the church is stronger in areas of the world where there is much more persecution. Strength is not really seen until a reason/opportunity arises for it to stand up and fight.

 

[Episkopos]

More gobblygook. To be absent from the Lord is to be absent from our bodies and present with Him in heaven . That’s the context not how you have conflated the meaning .

Maybe you will be trying to live acceptable before God after you die...but some us aim to do that while we are still alive. I think your lack of understanding about being present in the heavenly walk and only expecting to abide in Christ in heaven after you die explains your conduct here.

 

[Episkopos]

Not our own strength, but it is yielding to and obeying HIS righteousness in us. He does not share His glory with another and God forbid that we should steal His glory for ourselves.

Walking in your own strength and then calling that walking in the Spirit is denying His glory...not stealing it.

But quite right with your second sentence. That is why when we are walking in Him, we do not sin. Eg, I have seen the Lord come to my defense at times when I rested in Him and didn't come to my own defense or retaliate. That is one little example of walking in the spirit.

little example? You are out of your league here. There is no partial crucifixion...there is no little walking in the Spirit. You simply have overestimated where you are walking. Happens a LOT around here.

Doesn't necessarily mean a believer is going to be in the spirit at all times, but we should endeavour to be so more, as we abide in the Vine.

The bible says we may TASTE the powers of the world to come, and it is still possible to fall away. But it doesn't say we will necessarily be walking in that at all times. We may have experiences with the Lord to encourage us etc, but it is not His will that we remain there......for some things we would have to die or be translated entirely in order to stay "there". Paul didn't remain in the Third heaven.

Walking in the Spirit is not the same as visiting the 3rd heaven. More conflating things due to a lack of experience on your part. Instead of trying to invent a religion based on make-believe...stick to apostolic doctrine...humble yourself...seek the Lord and experience these things FOR REAL.

But I think persecution and trials is really a necessary ingredient for the church to be walking in the spirit more consistently and to a greater degree. It's one reason why the Lord allows darkness, that His glory may be seen all the more! Those kinds of trials provide the opportunity and reason for His spirit to arise and shine. That's why the church is stronger in areas of the world where there is much more persecution. Strength is not really seen until a reason/opportunity arises for it to stand up and fight.

More persecution means less make-believe. Have any travel plans?

 

[Lizbeth]

You are comparing self with self here. No one is crucified one cell at a time. Purity is an instant gift of grace through faith. Don't confuse being weaned of the flesh...a gradual thing...with being crucified by heavenly power.

We are weaned FROM something....not TO something.

Crucifying the flesh is HOW we're being weaned off it, as it dies. Little by little, the bible says, in God's wisdom....pertaining to the promised land. But He may also choose to do an instant work in an area of someone's life, as I'm sure we've all heard or experienced testimonies of the Lord delivering/healing people who were struggling in different areas.

 

[ChristisGod]

Maybe you will be trying to live acceptable before God after you die...but some us aim to do that while we are still alive. I think your lack of understanding about being present in the heavenly walk and only expecting to abide in Christ in heaven after you die explains your conduct here.

Face it you twisted Paul’s words.

2 Cor 5:6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

 

[Episkopos]

Crucifying the flesh is HOW we're being weaned off it, as it dies. Little by little, the bible says, in God's wisdom....pertaining to the promised land. But He may also choose to do an instant work in an area of someone's life, as I'm sure we've all heard or experienced testimonies of the Lord delivering/healing people who were struggling in different areas.

Why do you steal away meanings of words? Weaning is a gradual process. Crucifixion is an event.

By trying to claim you are being gradually crucified (actually weaned) you are denying the work of God that takes place when we present ourselves as a living sacrifice.

What you do...your technique ...would be akin to claiming that the fire sometimes comes down from heaven...like for Elijah...but that for you the fire starts with static cling.

 

[marks]

Weaning is a gradual process. Crucifixion is an event.

"Weaning" isn't Scriptural.

Crucifixion is.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

But you have been persecuted. You tell me that I always judge you, and always condemn you. So much so you moved away to get away from “religious persecution”. You call me a sanctimonious play actor who believes she is a first century Jew. How you can keep coming at me with this as being proof He was only talking to the Jews sitting there with him. Then why why is there claims of religious persecution between us? What does the keeping of this narrative do for you? Because I afraid, sad, and have no clue how we ended up here.

Oh I'm sorry to hear about your marriage troubles. I know it's not easy at the best of times. Married couples should try not to argue about "meats", whether they are true or not. Different people grow in different ways and at different rates, so learn to be patient and accepting of differences....avoid non-essential issues that cause contention. Advice for women is to be submissive in demeanour and to win husbands "without a word". Husbands need to rise above differences and love their wives sacrificially. This is all necessary for harmony in the home. Love does not insist that you both have to think identically about everything. Just try to keep it about Christ and Him crucified and be thankful your lives are not yoked to someone living in darkness.

 

[ChristisGod]

"Weaning" isn't Scriptural.

Crucifixion is.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Much love!

Ditto

 

[Episkopos]

"Weaning" isn't Scriptural.

Crucifixion is.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Much love!

Another one with limited bible reading experience.

Weaning is scriptural. Read Ps. 131. Much of what religious people claim from the NT is actually just at an OT level of walk. No different than the Jews who also walk in their own strength. Ask any Jew is they have seen any Christian walk in a more righteous manner than they can.

Believing in something about heaven and walking on a heavenly level are VERY different things.

I believe in astronauts...but I have never been beyond the physical pull of gravity. Many here claim to be crucified...because they read it in the bible. But in truth????

It's not like being weaned from the flesh is a bad thing. It is a good thing. Don't get me wrong. It's all we have when we are absent from the Lord...walking in our own strength.

By claiming to be more than we are we just invite a future eternal judgment. I hope it feels good to claim all the good stuff...enjoy it now..since many already have their reward.

 

[marks]

Crucifying the flesh is HOW we're being weaned off it, as it dies. Little by little, the bible says, in God's wisdom....pertaining to the promised land.

I believe what the Bible describes is that we are crucified with Christ as an accomplished fact.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Now, having been crucified with Christ, our minds are being renewed.

Romans 12:1-2 KJV
1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

We are not "dying to the flesh more", we are already dead to our flesh, and dead to sin, and are alive unto God. The process we are in is called renewing the mind. I believe this refers being trained by God to no longer pay attention to our flesh, and to live according to the Holy Spirit.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

"Weaning" isn't Scriptural.

Crucifixion is.

Romans 6:3-7 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Much love!

Ditto.

2) "That our old man is crucified with him," (hoti ho palaios hemon anthropos sunestaurothe) "That the old (man) or person of us was crucified with him," and now is to exist as dead (barren, unfruitful, unproductive). We are to feed, exercise, cultivate the old desires and passions no more, but to keep them subdued, bridled, under subjection, 1Co_9:26-27; Rom_12:1-2; Col_1:1-3.

συνεσταυρώθη--Verb, Aorist, Passive--a decisive point in time, no "weaning process" here, I find many are not using the Scriptures and are happy to philosophize with mere empty words.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m not as humble as you think. My husband can tell you this. I don’t know what to say to his being attacked, or put down. Although I’ve done it too. What I can’t figure out is how he could feel or act like this is my being against him. I don’t think being against him is desiring more Christ likeness between us. I don’t think it is evil to want better for someone. To not know how, but to want better. Enough even, to read about what is better than fighting. To where we are not condemning or ruining one another, and in return ruining and destroying ourselves in the process. That is why all those passages stand out to me, that is why I read and study them and want to talk about Hope, because I do desire better between us. I’m interested. Regardless of what that looks like, is it wrong to hope in God saying He has made room for me in my husbands heart? To hope for that? Regardless if I’m met with resistance. Would it be wrong for my husband to hope God has made room in my heart for him. Regardless of if he is met with resistance?

I was talking more about his anger and attacking myself and others.. Not you per say. While he suprised me with his comment to you.. I felt that was between you two..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But you have been persecuted. You tell me that I always judge you, and always condemn you. So much so you moved away to get away from “religious persecution”. You call me a sanctimonious play actor who believes she is a first century Jew. How you can keep coming at me with this as being proof He was only talking to the Jews sitting there with him. Then why why is there claims of religious persecution between us? What does the keeping of this narrative do for you? Because I afraid, sad, and have no clue how we ended up here.

he does this with us too.

That in itself is persecution. But we do not just get it here. we get it from the lost. From friends who we no longer hang out with because of our new life.. Its all over the place..