How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Lizbeth]

Religious certainty is as strong as any narcotic. It gets in the way of biblical faith. The Pharisees were just as certain as you are...and from exactly the same kind of outer man belief. Of course, the religious person will say that their beliefs are much better than other kinds. They ALL say that. One drug user will swear that the drug he/she is taking s better than what others are taking. This is not about Jesus...but the person claiming to have all the benefits for himself...and then claiming others do not.

What you need is faith in Christ not religious beliefs about Jesus and all the benefits you have stored for yourself based on religious certainty.

Speaking of balance, I consider that we need to be walking a kind of tightrope (balance) between assurances and the fear of God which spurs us on. The thing is that we need to hold onto all these things not set in cement of the carnal mind, but alive in spirit. I see the word of God as being alive and active, like the green pastures that the sheep are browsing in and the Shepherd is feeding each individual soul on whatever corner of the pasture we need at any given time and circumstance. Sometimes we need comfort and encouragement, other times we need the fear of the Lord to keep following Him. An over emphasis on either one without the other balancing it is problematic.

Funny, how the Lord has used the tightrope walking of Nick Wallenda to show a living parable of how we run the race....first walking a tightrope across the Niagara Falls gorge, then walking across the mouth of an active volcano! That is the walk and life of a follower of Christ. Good news...he made it across both obstacles, and he was praying to Jesus both times. The word of God says when you go through the waters I will be with you...and when you go through the fire it will not burn you, hallelujah, praise Jesus!

 

[ChristisGod]

There are two kinds of religious nuts.

There are the exclusivists ("all are going to hell except you and me and I'm not so sure about you"). These are the Pharisees..the kind of fundamentalists that kills the prophets of God and put Jesus on the cross. These are enemies of righteousness. These take away from the words of God.

And then there are the inclusivists who decide based on their own positive affirming disposition who is acceptable to God ...mostly everybody. These are enemies of holiness. These add to the words of God.

The world is divided between liberals and conservatives because no one understands balance. But, with God any false balance is abomination.

So then the wise are neither one nor the other. The spiritual are not religious...but are motivated by the mind of Christ. Now a radical fundamentalist will see EVERYBODY who is not similarly hypocritical...as an inclusivist. And a liberal ecumaniac will see everyone who makes proper exclusionary judgments as a fundamentalist, judgmental legalist.

There is a time for every purpose under heaven. A person who always goes in one direction is going in circles.

What does spiritual mean ?

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, even for believers.

Eternal life is to walk as Jesus walked without sin. Or, it can be an inheritance after judgment day. Few know that there is a difference..hence all the bad doctrine.



It's impossible.


That's right. We don't belong to God unless we are in Christ.

This is what I ask all those who mock the higher walk.



Those are your words....religious words that have no depth of understanding. Are you talking about salvation from sin NOW as per the gospel? Or inheriting life in the next age? Do you know the difference?



This is basic. I think you are stuck in the very first step of the walk.

This is what I'm trying to explain to the crows. They can't see the hand in front of them.

And see how you ignore, obfuscate ,and redirect what I say to avoid the truth I am speaking. That says it all.

You mentioned the gospel what is the gospel ?

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, even for believers.

Eternal life is to walk as Jesus walked without sin. Or, it can be an inheritance after judgment day. Few know that there is a difference..hence all the bad doctrine.



It's impossible.


That's right. We don't belong to God unless we are in Christ.

This is what I ask all those who mock the higher walk.



Those are your words....religious words that have no depth of understanding. Are you talking about salvation from sin NOW as per the gospel? Or inheriting life in the next age? Do you know the difference?



This is basic. I think you are stuck in the very first step of the walk.

This is what I'm trying to explain to the crows. They can't see the hand in front of them.

And see how you ignore, obfuscate ,and redirect what I say to avoid the truth I am speaking. That says it all.

Who are the crows ? Are you calling believers crows ?

 

[amigo de christo]

At-least a half dozen questions I asked to clarify what is being said have been avoided, deflected.

That list will only grow . But as for the lambs we gonna POINT TO CHRIST ALONE .

 

[Episkopos]

Speaking of balance, I consider that we need to be walking a kind of tightrope (balance) between assurances and the fear of God which spurs us on. The thing is that we need to hold onto all these things not set in cement of the carnal mind, but alive in spirit. I see the word of God as being alive and active, like the green pastures that the sheep are browsing in and the Shepherd is feeding each individual soul on whatever corner of the pasture we need at any given time and circumstance. Sometimes we need comfort and encouragement, other times we need the fear of the Lord to keep following Him. An over emphasis on either one without the other balancing it is problematic.

Funny, how the Lord has used the tightrope walking of Nick Wallenda to show a living parable of how we run the race....first walking a tightrope across the Niagara Falls gorge, then walking across the mouth of an active volcano! That is the walk and life of a follower of Christ. Good news...he made it across both obstacles, and he was praying to Jesus both times. The word of God says when you go through the waters I will be with you...and when you go through the fire it will not burn you, hallelujah, praise Jesus!

You walk that tightrope if you want. I see this as very simple. Faith, love and comfort in the inner man. The fear of God in the outer man.

The fact that you can't distinguish between them....always using a religious certainty to combat the truth you don't understand...,means you are indeed walking on a tightrope over a very dangerous place.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Religious certainty is as strong as any narcotic. It gets in the way of biblical faith. The Pharisees were just as certain as you are...and from exactly the same kind of outer man belief. Of course, the religious person will say that their beliefs are much better than other kinds. They ALL say that. One drug user will swear that the drug he/she is taking s better than what others are taking. This is not about Jesus...but the person claiming to have all the benefits for himself...and then claiming others do not.

What you need is faith in Christ not religious beliefs about Jesus and all the benefits you have stored for yourself based on religious certainty.

I have biblical certainty my friend. Not religious certainty.

I have known you for a few years now. and I have yet to hear you preach any certainty at all..

You scream how people who have trusted in Christ are trusting in religion. Yet you teach religion Your faith is in your religion. Not in Christ. If you trust in CHrist. you would walk with God all the time. Not just two times.. And those who follow you would also walk with God.. yet one of them states she never has been in the spirit..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The wages of sin is death. As opposed to eternal life. How does anyone receive the spirit of adoption without Christ. Anyone without Christ is "none of His". How does anyone who is none of His escape the wages of sin, ie, death, when the only way to escape death is to receive eternal life. But all who are ordained to eternal life will believe in Him, God will make sure of that. There is salvation in no other Name. There is just no other way to no longer be dead in one's sins, except through Christ. (Being dead in one's sins means not having eternal life.)

And his is based on he cross. Where Jesus took that wage of sin in our stead. "he who knew no sin becamse sin for us" why? That we maight be made the righteousness of God through him.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, even for believers.

Eternal life is to walk as Jesus walked without sin. Or, it can be an inheritance after judgment day. Few know that there is a difference..hence all the bad doctrine.

then no one has eternal life.

It's impossible.

your right, and how are we made children of God?

John 1, But as many as have recieved him....

That's right. We don't belong to God unless we are in Christ.

This is what I ask all those who mock the higher walk.

Its not about our walk. that is the law. it is about our position.

You can't walk good enough to earn eternal life..

Those are your words....religious words that have no depth of understanding. Are you talking about salvation from sin NOW as per the gospel? Or inheriting life in the next age? Do you know the difference?

Its evident you do not.

This is basic. I think you are stuck in the very first step of the walk.

This is what I'm trying to explain to the crows. They can't see the hand in front of them.

And see how you ignore, obfuscate ,and redirect what I say to avoid the truth I am speaking. That says it all.

You can;t see through your own religion.. or your pride.

 

[Episkopos]

I have biblical certainty my friend. Not religious certainty.

Precious.

I have known you for a few years now. and I have yet to hear you preach any certainty at all..

Thank you.

You scream how people who have trusted in Christ are trusting in religion.

I have gently prompted those who trust in religion to trust in Christ.

Yet you teach religion Your faith is in your religion.

Mirror.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You walk that tightrope if you want. I see this as very simple. Faith, love and comfort in the inner man. The fear of God in the outer man.

The fact that you can't distinguish between them....always using a religious certainty to combat the truth you don't understand...,means you are indeed walking on a tightrope over a very dangerous place.

Again, Don't accuse people if not understanding things you yourself do not understand

Jesus said come and he will give you rest.

He did not say come, and as long as you walk. I will give you rest.

You have his grace confused with law

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Precious.


Thank you.


I have gently prompted those who trust in religion to trust in Christ.

Then you must tell then not to trust you and what you preach?

Since you trust in religion and not Christ?

How can you claim you do not trust in religion when you do not believe CHrist paid it all. He did his part and we must do ours (religion)

 

[Episkopos]

Again, Don't accuse people if not understanding things you yourself do not understand

I won't

Jesus said come and he will give you rest.

Yes.

He did not say come, and as long as you walk. I will give you rest.

I guess you could crawl there.

You have his grace confused with law

You have made reading the bible and claiming things as if it was based on law. Grace is not found in a book...law is. Grace is the power from heaven to walk as Jesus walked...in His eternal rest.

The power of God (grace) is not found by reading it in a book. You have to GO TO God for it. But that takes faith, beliefs are useless in moving God from His throne.

 

[amigo de christo]

There are two kinds of religious nuts.

There are the exclusivists ("all are going to hell except you and me and I'm not so sure about you"). These are the Pharisees..the kind of fundamentalists that kills the prophets of God and put Jesus on the cross. These are enemies of righteousness. These take away from the words of God.

And then there are the inclusivists who decide based on their own positive affirming disposition who is acceptable to God ...mostly everybody. These are enemies of holiness. These add to the words of God.

The world is divided between liberals and conservatives because no one understands balance. But, with God any false balance is abomination.

So then the wise are neither one nor the other. The spiritual are not religious...but are motivated by the mind of Christ. Now a radical fundamentalist will see EVERYBODY who is not similarly hypocritical...as an inclusivist. And a liberal ecumaniac will see everyone who makes proper exclusionary judgments as a fundamentalist, judgmental legalist.

There is a time for every purpose under heaven. A person who always goes in one direction is going in circles.

yet francis is an inclusivist and so many seem to follow him .
Inclusvists have went far from truth and holiness , preaching for salvation a concept which cannot save .
OH it welcomes Everyone and has made the path to GOD very broad ,.
The only enemy it sees as THE ENEMY is the bible believing Christ following lamb who says JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
and YE must believe in HIM . Rather odd you gave a good definition of inclusivist
yet just the other day seemed to have zero problem with going after me for exposing it .
You are super slick my friend . I will give that to you at least . You got some serious carnal wisdom and a way
of trying to go around things . You do realize pope francis and many others are inclusivists .
They teach for salvation the doctrines of men.
I told you the other day i have read about inclusvism and then its a lie . YOU defened it and came back
with the baby water bottle remark . YOU BELIEVE IT and yet you try and throw this into the mix
to confuse folks as if you dont . You are a slick one my friend . But do remember
though you are very carnal wise in the wisdom of this world , that kind of of wisdom cannot be subject unto GOD .
its enmity . As far as politics goes , YEAH both sides are decieved and the social gospel is serious bad news .
You do realize oprah and scores of others are INCLUSIVISTS and yet they sure seem to be supported .
Epi , you are slick my friend . ITS TIME TO POINT to CHRIST ALONE for RIGHTEOUS , FOR SALVATION
for redemptoin , for justification , for all things . THERE is no such thing as carrying your cross with budda or any other religoin .
SO they fail no matter how they try . Wont work . NO faith in Christ and nothing else gonna matter .
You should have preached FAITH IN CHRIST and then remind folks what the cross represents .
But trying to give the cross as an idea that buddists attain it by works of righteousness or that a muslim or etc . ITS A LIE my friend .
There is no cross to unbelievers in CHRIST . There is none who is truly righteous , there is none that meets
the requirement of GODS righteousness . CHRIST DID , SO BELIEVE YE IN HIM and pick up the cross and follow in his steps .
The other religoins are lost in darkness , without hope . PREACH JESUS to those and if they believe amen , then their walk begins .

 

[Episkopos]

yet francis is an inclusivist and so many seem to follow him .
Inclusvists have went far from truth and holiness , preaching for salvation a concept which cannot save .
OH it welcomes Everyone and has made the path to GOD very broad ,.
The only enemy it sees as THE ENEMY is the bible believing Christ following lamb who says JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY
and YE must believe in HIM . Rather odd you gave a good definition of inclusivist
yet just the other day seemed to have zero problem with going after me for exposing it .
You are super slick my friend . I will give that to you at least . You got some serious carnal wisdom and a way
of trying to go around things . You do realize pope francis and many others are inclusivists .
They teach for salvation the doctrines of men.
I told you the other day i have read about inclusvism and then its a lie . YOU defened it and came back
with the baby water bottle remark . YOU BELIEVE IT and yet you try and throw this into the mix
to confuse folks as if you dont . You are a slick one my friend . But do remember
though you are very carnal wise in the wisdom of this world , that kind of of wisdom cannot be subject unto GOD .
its enmity . As far as politics goes , YEAH both sides are decieved and the social gospel is serious bad news .
You do realize oprah and scores of others are INCLUSIVISTS and yet they sure seem to be supported .
Epi , you are slick my friend . ITS TIME TO POINT to CHRIST ALONE for RIGHTEOUS , FOR SALVATION
for redemptoin , for justification , for all things . THERE is no such thing as carrying your cross with budda or any other religoin .
SO they fail no matter how they try . Wont work . NO faith in Christ and nothing else gonna matter .
You should have preached FAITH IN CHRIST and then remind folks what the cross represents .
But trying to give the cross as an idea that buddists attain it by works of righteousness or that a muslim or etc . ITS A LIE my friend .
There is no cross to unbelievers in CHRIST . There is none who is truly righteous , there is none that meets
the requirement of GODS righteousness . CHRIST DID , SO BELIEVE YE IN HIM and pick up the cross and follow in his steps .
The other religoins are lost in darkness , without hope . PREACH JESUS to those and if they believe amen , then their walk begins .

A nice rant. Now do one against the religious fundamentalist exclusivist hypocrites who stop others from entering the kingdom they themselves are also not entering into. Show some balance. That is..unless....

 

[ChristisGod]

A nice rant. Now do one against the religious fundamentalist exclusivist hypocrites who stop others from entering the kingdom they themselves are also not entering into. Show some balance. That is..unless....

Is this the fruit of the spirit being demonstrated?

What does spiritual mean ?

Are you spiritual?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I won't

yet you do

Yes.

then why don't you teach this?

I guess you could crawl there.

You still will not get rest

You have made reading the bible and claiming things as if it was based on law. Grace is not found in a book...law is. Grace is the power from heaven to walk as Jesus walked...in His eternal rest.

Grace is the power yes.

But it is the power of salvation. It is the power of being adopted as Gods children, it is eternal

If your not saved not adopted. not justified, not redeemed, Not washed and made as white as snow.

You can never walk as Jesus walked. You can pretend. You can decieve yourself that you have, But its not real.

The power of God (grace) is not found by reading it in a book. You have to GO TO God for it. But that takes faith, beliefs are useless in moving God from His throne.

romans 10: 7 Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Eph 1: 13- 14 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.



Eph 5: 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

without the word of God, the holy scripture. the love letter written by God to his creation (the bible or book)

You can't walk to God.

first you mock those who follow the cross. Now your mocking his word..

 

[Laurina]

What does spiritual mean ?

I found this post that Epi answered you (same question) in a different thread:

"I have only tried to do that hundreds of times . The problem doesn't lie in my communication skills...but in your ability to understand something fully out of your grasp.

Being spiritual in Christ is to walk as He walked...by abiding in Him...and living while still in the flesh with an eternal resurrection life anointing ON TOP of our ordinary lives...or PUTTING ON CHRIST....so that we see the world through the eyes of Christ. Walking in Zion means we are walking in 2 dimensions at once.

Walking IN Him means we have entered into Him to see FROM Him. This gives the saint (sanctified one) ...the mind of Christ.

Of course, to the carnal man, this makes no sense at all. But neither does raising the dead and healing the sick.

Rather than submit oneself to the Lord and seek for His grace...the modern carnal ones have taken over the church trying to get rights for the outer man..who is already under a sentence of death. We are to surrender our outer man ...offering ourselves up as a living sacrifice...to have him crucified.

For the non-mockers here...I will say that if we don't present ourselves to be crucified...or cut in 2..while still claiming to be spiritual (or half-sanctified) in Christ...then on judgment day we will be cut asunder (in 2) and have our (inner man) portion thrown in with the hypocrites. There will be weeping and anger."

Hope this helps!

 

[Episkopos]

You can never walk as Jesus walked. You can pretend. You can decieve yourself that you have, But its not real.

1 John 2:6 He that saith he abides in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[ChristisGod]

I found this post that Epi answered you (same question) in a different thread:

"I have only tried to do that hundreds of times . The problem doesn't lie in my communication skills...but in your ability to understand something fully out of your grasp.

Being spiritual in Christ is to walk as He walked...by abiding in Him...and living while still in the flesh with an eternal resurrection life anointing ON TOP of our ordinary lives...or PUTTING ON CHRIST....so that we see the world through the eyes of Christ. Walking in Zion means we are walking in 2 dimensions at once.

Walking IN Him means we have entered into Him to see FROM Him. This gives the saint (sanctified one) ...the mind of Christ.

Of course, to the carnal man, this makes no sense at all. But neither does raising the dead and healing the sick.

Rather than submit oneself to the Lord and seek for His grace...the modern carnal ones have taken over the church trying to get rights for the outer man..who is already under a sentence of death. We are to surrender our outer man ...offering ourselves up as a living sacrifice...to have him crucified.

For the non-mockers here...I will say that if we don't present ourselves to be crucified...or cut in 2..while still claiming to be spiritual (or half-sanctified) in Christ...then on judgment day we will be cut asunder (in 2) and have our (inner man) portion thrown in with the hypocrites. There will be weeping and anger."

Hope this helps!

Its a denial of eternal life first of all and there is no definition of the word pneumatikos( spiritual ) in his post. And there is no scripture just some assumptions that are being made. Spiritual must be defined and then tied in with passages that mention the word spiritual to get a biblical context on how the word is used in the Bible.

Would you agree ?