Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

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CadyandZoe

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Yes, it is. Scripture makes that VERY clear when it talks about electing/selecting elders, bishops and deacons. They are the head of the "organization" and we are to listen to them....just like scripture says. How do you fulfill James 5:14?

It seems to me you are throwing out passages from Scripture you don't like....
The difference, Mary, is centralization. Paul didn't create a centralized organization. Elders, bishops, and deacons serve in a local church body, and NOT under the authority of a centralized leadership.

Secondly, I spoke about a religious organization, which is specific to the practice of a religion. Jesus didn't create a new religion. He is not interested in rites, rituals, repetitive prayers, confessional booths, a priesthood, holy water, or the eucharist. Followers of Jesus don't do religion.
 

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Yes, He did come to organize a religion.

He brought together 12 men who were the foundation of that religion, and that foundation was built upon over time. He is the cornerstone of that religious foundation. Members of that new Christian religious organization were once in a religious organization called Judaism. You should read Matthew 23:2-3. It makes clear that those Jews were to listen to the men of their religious organization.
You won't convince me with your narrative. The scriptures never record the apostles doing religion, except on rare occasions when they practiced their Judaism. But the New Testament tells Gentiles that God doesn't require them to do religion.
 
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Hey CadyandZoe,

There must be some facts that have led you to believe that the RCC is not The Church spoken of in Scripture. Since you KNOW that the RCC is not The Church spoken of in Scripture then you must KNOW which church is?
For those of us who belong to Christ and have the Holy Spirit:
a.) We KNOW the True Living Church of Christ
b.) it is NOT the RCC or any other denomination or building
c.) RCC fulfills that which the Apostles called "false apostles in sheeps clothing"

Is that a mini frisbee in your avatar?
And what's with the funny outfit? = Halloween?
 

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For those of us who belong to Christ and have the Holy Spirit:
a.) We KNOW the True Living Church of Christ
b.) it is NOT the RCC or any other denomination or building
c.) RCC fulfills that which the Apostles called "false apostles in sheeps clothing"

Is that a mini frisbee in your avatar?
And what's with the funny outfit? = Halloween?
How do you identify those who belong to Christ and have the Holy Spirit? Is there a quiz one has to pass?
 

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For those of us who belong to Christ and have the Holy Spirit:
a.) We KNOW the True Living Church of Christ
b.) it is NOT the RCC or any other denomination or building
c.) RCC fulfills that which the Apostles called "false apostles in sheeps clothing"

Is that a mini frisbee in your avatar?
And what's with the funny outfit? = Halloween?
Your interjection of an answer is a circular argument.

Your mockery of the Eucharist, of which Christ established at The Last Supper, is embarrassing for you and shows your ignorance of your own Christian history. Why do you mock what Christ established?
 

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But the New Testament tells Gentiles that God doesn't require them to do religion.
Really? Where does the NT tell Gentiles that God doesn't require them to do religion?

How are YOU defining religion?
 

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The difference, Mary, is centralization. Paul didn't create a centralized organization. Elders, bishops, and deacons serve in a local church body, and NOT under the authority of a centralized leadership.

Secondly, I spoke about a religious organization, which is specific to the practice of a religion. Jesus didn't create a new religion. He is not interested in rites, rituals, repetitive prayers, confessional booths, a priesthood, holy water, or the eucharist. Followers of Jesus don't do religion.
Hi CZ,

It appears you do not know WHY the letters, what we now call Scripture, were written to individual churches. It was because they were having dissention among them, and the "centralized" leadership was exhorting them. Hint: 1 Corinthians 1:10-17.

Those letters, from the centralized leadership, contained instructions on how ALL Christians should act and what to believe. There were even letters (Timothy and Titus) on the expectations of the elders of The Church.

Do you know why the Council of Jerusalem was held? It is because there WAS and still IS "centralization". Scripture and our own Christian history shows this.

So at the Last Supper when Jesus held up bread (Eucharist) and said, "Do this in rememberence of me" He really wasn't interested if we really did it in remembrance of Him?? F A S C I N A T I N G!!!!!

And Jesus would be mad at us if we repeated The Lord's Prayer 3 or 4 or 5 times in a row? Or if we kept praying to Him that a loved one wouldn't die of cancer? REALLY?

Your men have taught you that Jesus is not interested in holy water. Scripture says "and the priest shall take holy water". Should I believe YOUR MEN or Scripture?

Sounds like your theory is that centralized leadership died once the last Apostle died. Where does Scripture support your theory?
 

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How do you identify those who belong to Christ and have the Holy Spirit? Is there a quiz one has to pass?
YES, there is a Quiz and the Good News is that it is an Open Book Quiz.

Here is the Quiz - Acts 17:24-34

The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands. 25Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands.

27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.’ 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination.

30Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

32When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some began to mock him, but others said, “We want to hear you again on this topic.” 33At that, Paul left the Areopagus. 34But some joined him and believed, including Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others who were with them.
 
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Your interjection of an answer is a circular argument.

Your mockery of the Eucharist, of which Christ established at The Last Supper, is embarrassing for you and shows your ignorance of your own Christian history. Why do you mock what Christ established?
i expose what satan established and is a counterfeit

Breaking Bread and the Cup is not 'the sacrifice of the Mass' = this is a counterfeit of the REAL

Not only is it a counterfeit but it is contrary to TRUTH = Hebrews chapter 9
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since it is contrary to TRUTH it is falsehood and deception and comes not from Him who called us out of darkness.
 

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Again, the Church is not a religious organization. No Protestant denomination or Catholic organization is the church of Christ. Jesus did NOT come to organize a religion, and no organized religion is necessary. But they are harmful at times. I am not a member of the Catholic Church or a Denomination. I follow no religion and neither do I practice any ritual.
Great post! Very true. Pay no attention to Marymog, who is clearly in the wrong.
 
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That makes absolutely zero sense and what you have been taught is not what Scripture teaches: Luke 17:3

You do something to offend (sin against) me. I forgive you. What you did is still an offensive sin. The matter is NOT settled. I may be at peace in MY heart, but the matter is not settled. That is unless you apologize for that offense and admit you were wrong. If you don't admit you were wrong, we go to the church to settle our differences. If you refuse to listen to the church, then you are to be treated as a heathen man (Matthew 18).
This is absurd, unScriptural legalism.
 

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Jim B,

Simply their opinion? So you do not think that the 27 books in the NT are inspired?

Curious Mary
What kind of logic twisting is that? I will repeat part of my previous post here...

Personal study of the written "books" of Scripture, both canonical and non-canonical, has gone on for thousands of years. Simply because some men decided what was canonical and what wasn't doesn't mean a lot; it was simply their opinion. There are the apocryphal "books" that are accepted by some denominations but not others.

"In Christianity, the word apocryphal was first applied to writings which were to be read privately rather than in the public context of church services -- edifying Christian works which were not considered canonical Scripture." wikipedia.

Where do you see anything about the writings being inspired or not? Hint: it's not there!

It seems from your recent posts that you're just looking for a fight. What is compelling you to attack others?
 

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i expose what satan established and is a counterfeit

Breaking Bread and the Cup is not 'the sacrifice of the Mass' = this is a counterfeit of the REAL

Not only is it a counterfeit but it is contrary to TRUTH = Hebrews chapter 9
and
since it is contrary to TRUTH it is falsehood and deception and comes not from Him who called us out of darkness.
The satanic church mocks the Eucharist Also. Are you in league with them?
 

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YES, there is a Quiz and the Good News is that it is an Open Book Quiz.

Here is the Quiz - Acts 17:24-34

The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples made by human hands. 25Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, because He Himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26From one man He made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and He determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their lands.

27God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are His offspring.’ 29Therefore, being offspring of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by man’s skill and imagination.

30Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent. 31For He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the Man He has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

32When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some began to mock him, but others said, “We want to hear you again on this topic.” 33At that, Paul left the Areopagus. 34But some joined him and believed, including Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others who were with them.
Lol…OK
 

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The satanic church mocks the Eucharist Also. Are you in league with them?
This is total nonsense!!! Saying that someone is part of the satanic "church" because they don't agree with your denomination's invented ritual is indicative of your Catholic, demonic accusation of others who aren't part of your cult.
 
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i expose what satan established and is a counterfeit

Breaking Bread and the Cup is not 'the sacrifice of the Mass' = this is a counterfeit of the REAL

Not only is it a counterfeit but it is contrary to TRUTH = Hebrews chapter 9
and
since it is contrary to TRUTH it is falsehood and deception and comes not from Him who called us out of darkness.
Great post!