What is the one true Church?

[Grailhunter]

How's that working out for us?
I don't think I need to remind you where we are headed regarfing religious freedom, forget about freedom of speech.
Our rights are being and have been being stripped from us from one administration to another.
I hear you.
But we CAN NOT save ourselves.
Much Love
Hugs

As it is Thomas Jefferson knew that this type of system of government would require a revolution on occasion. He said that very thing.
One of the reasons that the fore fathers insisted on the right to own guns.
The government can only get so tyrannical before they are killed.
January 6th was a wake up call for them. We can get to them!
Their socialist ways are putting the country in debt and they are gearing up with an army of tax collectors to attack the populous, targeting the elderly first because they believe they are less likely to defend themselves.
There own soft on crime thing is killing their favorite cities.
St. Louis is a war zone.
The whole thing about making resisting arrest legal is coming back to haunt them.
If a person is hurt resisting arrest he can sue the cops or the city and police lose their jobs or be put in prison.
They do not have to worry about defunding the police they are moving to where their families are safer and they are appreciated.
What they are being replaced with is sub-par which will only cause the problem to be worse.
It will descend into chaos about the time we go into a full depression and it will be a battle.

 

[amigo de christo]

It would truly be a miracle to get the Catholics and Protestants to get along......Maybe more than God can do?

God wont do that . HE will never have true lambs join and be unequally yoked with those who teach falsehoods .
The GOD of the bible , NEVER DESIRED this false unity getting taught today .
WHO do you think has been one of the key players in this unfication of not only all the faiths
BUT ALL RELIGOINS to be as one . ROME . WHY would GOD want us yoked
with folks who teach muslims worship the same GOD we do
and that other religions are all coming to GOD in their own religion .
ANSWER . HE WOULD NOT . EVER once . Folks need to get in bibles and learn THAT GOD , HIS CHRIST
HIS doctrine .

 

[amigo de christo]

Flee this false healing the wound junk .
Its only uniting all under darkness .
Whose deadly wound was healed . ROME just wants POWER over all religoins and peoples
and serves a unifed one world agenda .

 

[BreadOfLife]

What is your belief about what heaven is? Or where it might be?
Apparently Peter was given authority to either reveal or refrain from revealing spiritual truths.
And then there is Paul. What do you make of him?
Everything he teaches comes from the Torah and is presented to all people around the world.
He is not confined to one particular people as Peter was. He was to go to the Israel tribes only.
Paul rebuked Peter when after Peter believed that he was sent to the Gentiles, was not living according to what he was preaching.
That has to show you something right there. Practice what you preach.

So the torch was handed over to Paul instead.
Thus in this case Peter himself is the prodigal son.
Paul who was Saul given a mission from Rome to destroy all christians (another HINT btw) is the one converted and sent to feed Jesus' sheep.

I pray someday the Catholic church will be converted also, just as Jesus prayed for Peter's conversion.

HISTORY repeats itself.

Hugs

Absolute nonsense – as well as a pathetic understanding of the NT Church.

First of all – Jesus’s words to Peter were NOT confined to what Peter was allowed to reveal or NOT reveal. Jesus told him, WHATEVER you loose or bind on earth will be loosed or bound in Heaven.
This means that - guided by the Holy Spirit – ANYTHING Peter declared on behalf of the Church is authoritative.

Secondly, Peter was not “confined” to the Jews. If he had been – he wouldn’t have baptized Cornelius – and he wouldn’t have preached and died in Rome. And, as we see by the year 85 AD in the Letter of Clement, who was 3rd Pope where he is intervening and ruling on issues in the Church at Corinth – a GENTILE congregation that Paul planted.

You’ve shown yourself to be re a revisionist – and nothing more.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The true bread of life has no physical substance.
And to create such by the works of thine own hands is Idolatry.
Shame.

Then you DON’T know Christ.

He certainly has a physical substance – His BODY – which suffered and DIED for your sins, was resurrected and ascended to the Father.
To deny this fact is to deny Christ Himself.

Good luck with that . . .

 

[Grailhunter]

God wont do that . HE will never have true lambs join and be unequally yoked with those who teach falsehoods .
The GOD of the bible , NEVER DESIRED this false unity getting taught today .
WHO do you think has been one of the key players in this unfication of not only all the faiths
BUT ALL RELIGOINS to be as one . ROME . WHY would GOD want us yoked
with folks who teach muslims worship the same GOD we do
and that other religions are all coming to GOD in their own religion .
ANSWER . HE WOULD NOT . EVER once . Folks need to get in bibles and learn THAT GOD , HIS CHRIST
HIS doctrine .

Granted that there has been a lot of bad blood between the Catholics and Protestants and at times rightly so.
And how many different approaches to Christianity do we have now?
As it is today the Catholics are different than the Protestants but all live in glass houses with their own mounting sins piling up on them as they throw stones at each others denomination.....not smart....not Christian.

The Jews look at the Christians and believe they are idolaters because they worship false gods.
The Christians try to say that they worship only have one God....that Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit are one God....the Jews do not buy it.
The Protestants accuse the Catholics of Idolatry and rituals and their efforts to keep Christ Church one.
The Catholics see the advent of the Protestants as a direct attack on Christ and His Church.
They all have a ton of false beliefs and sins.
The Protestants used the Bible to fracture Christianity into tens of thousands of denominations. Which proves 500 years later and tens of thousands of attempts they can not figure the Bible out.
Do you think that Christ would agree with fracturing the Church.
It has got to the point that if you talk to a Protestant about one faith it is sacrilegious to them. How serious are the sins of fracturing the Christian faith?

I call my ministry the Johnny Appleseed of Truth and over the years I have found that truth is not popular. So many hold so many false beliefs near and dear to their faith while throwing rocks at others. The truth offends people of all denominations because of the desire for false beliefs.

Would Christ tell us to get along? With so many....so many Christian denominations that have yet to get it right....should they show a little more humility due to their own failings and be a little more tolerant of other Christian beliefs?

 

[Illuminator]

1Co 11:29
or he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

One cup leads to salvation and the other to damnation.
Choose wisely.

Hugs

Isn't damnation a rather sever and unjust consequence for profaning a mere symbol? Or invisible bread and wine?

 

[Taken]

Under the New Covenant = ALL false prophets/teachers or just plain ignorance separate Jew from Gentile in Christ.

The moment you see/here people/christians/other separating Jew from Gentile in the Body of Christ there is a Lie brewing.

Yes!

Salvation Came unto OT Believers Hebrew/ Tribes (ISRAEL) PER the Mosaic LAW; Believing, taking their SIN offering to the Temple for an offering for Forgiveness.

Jesus Fulfilled that Law, VIA offering His BODY, His BLOOD, in place of animals.

Jesus’ OFFERING was encompassing OF ALL MEN (ISRAEL or GENTILE) THUS...Hebrew, Tribesman, Jew, Gentile....Became IRRELEVANT.

By the time JESUS arrived on Earth, ALL of ISRAEL (all Tribesmen) were calling themselves and being called JEWS.

While the DIVISION GAP between JEW and GENTILE became IRRELEVANT...
ANOTHER DIVISION was “CAUSED” BY Jesus...

THIS DIVISION, was precisely ONE of the things Jesus was SENT TO Accomplish.

Luke 12:
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
John 7:
[43] So there was a division among the people because of him.


THIS DIVISION, was ( And IS to this day )...
*) A DIVISION Between JEWS with Jesus and JEWS without Jesus.
*) A DIVISION Between GENTILES with Jesus and GENTILES without Jesus.
*) A DIVISION Between JEWS in Christ and JEWS without Christ.
*) A DIVISION Between GENTILES in Christ and GENTILES without Christ.

No man IS SAVED, UNTIL
his BODY is “Spiritually DEAD” (crucified with Jesus)
OR
his BODY is “mortally DEAD” having died in Belief.

Any mans BODY “Spiritually DEAD”....so ALSO is his natural spirit MADE..
“Spiritually ALIVE...ie BORN AGAIN”....He is CALLED...CONVERTED..
‘IN CHRIST”.

He IS A member of Christ’s Church. Sanctified, (set apart) from ALL OTHER men, to BE called and risen up in his Glorified Body; BY the Lord Himself, and Reign with Christ Jesus the King, of His Kingdom, for 1,000 years.

After the 1,000 years, God shall Bring (raise up) with Him, THOSE who mortally died .... Believing IN Jesus, (yet not having Converted IN Christ.

There IS a difference between IN Jesus...and IN Christ.

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

IN Jesus....a man believes Jesus died and rose again.
IN Christ....a man believes Jesus IS the Christ the Son of the Living God, (and has confessed thereof).

IN Christ IS risen BEFORE the Tribulation.
IN Jesus IS risen AFTER the millennial reign.

And YES...many ARE Divided...and shall be separated.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jim B]

Flee this false healing the wound junk .
Its only uniting all under darkness .
Whose deadly wound was healed . ROME just wants POWER over all religoins and peoples
and serves a unifed one world agenda .

Your arguments would probably be accepted more easily if you spent a little more time writing coherent English. You gave the "fast typing" excuse earlier, but that is a poor excuse for laziness and lack of consideration for others. Your carelessness and/or laziness show your lack of concern for others.

In this short post, you misspelled "its"; the contraction is "it's".
"Whose deadly wound was healed" needs either a subject or a question mark.
"religoins" and "unifed" are not English words.

 

[Illuminator]

What is your belief about what heaven is? Or where it might be?
Apparently Peter was given authority to either reveal or refrain from revealing spiritual truths.

Wrong. Peter was given the authority to bind and loose. It has nothing to do with divinely revealed truths. Binding and loosing is a Rabbinical term: on the authority of the Chair or Seat of Moses, to permit or remit, as any Jewish encyclopedia will affirm. "keys" always represent authority, first given to Peter as an individual, then to the other Apostles as a collective. This is a clear indication of Peter's preeminence.

Matt. 16:19 – whatever Peter binds or looses on earth is bound or loosed in heaven / when the Prime Minister to the King opens, no one shuts. This “binding and loosing” authority allows the keeper of the keys to establish “halakah,” or rules of conduct for the members of the kingdom he serves.

Matt. 23:2-4 – the “binding and loosing” terminology used by Jesus was understood by the Jewish people. For example, Jesus said that the Pharisees “bind” heavy burdens but won’t move (“loose”) them with their fingers. Peter and the apostles have the new binding and loosing authority over the Church of the New Covenant.

Matt. 13:24-52 -Jesus comparing the kingdom of heaven to a field, a mustard seed, leaven, and a net demonstrate that the kingdom Jesus is talking about is the universal Church on earth, not the eternal state of glory. Therefore, the keys to the “kingdom of heaven” refers to the authority over the earthly Church.

Matt. 25:1-2 – Jesus comparing the kingdom of heaven to ten maidens, five of whom were foolish, further shows that the kingdom is the Church on earth. This kingdom cannot refer to the heavenly kingdom because there are no fools in heaven!

Mark 4:26-32 – again, the “kingdom of God” is like the seed which grows and develops. The heavenly kingdom is eternal, so the kingdom to which Peter holds the keys of authority is the earthly Church.

And then there is Paul. What do you make of him?
Everything he teaches comes from the Torah and is presented to all people around the world.
He is not confined to one particular people as Peter was. He was to go to the Israel tribes only.

You can't pit Paul against Peter and claim to be biblical. And you can't make Paul out to be a lone ranger, apart from the institutional church. Paul was always subject to the Church.

Paul rebuked Peter when after Peter believed that he was sent to the Gentiles, was not living according to what he was preaching.
That has to show you something right there. Practice what you preach.

Peter didn't preach anything in that instance. He was hiding remember? How can anyone preach when hiding??? Paul scolded Peter for his behavior, not any preaching. Your adding to Scripture what isn't there to support your anti-Peter animus.

So the torch was handed over to Paul instead.
Thus in this case Peter himself is the prodigal son.

What a disgusting anti-biblical lie. If you think Jesus taught you this directly, you are seriously deluded.

Paul who was Saul given a mission from Rome to destroy all christians (another HINT btw)

That falsehood has previously been exposed. Since when did pagan Rome commission a Pharisee whom they hated in the first place??? DUH!!!

is the one converted and sent to feed Jesus' sheep.

NKJV
15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of [a]Jonah, do you love Me more than these?”
He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I [b]love You.” He said to him, “Feed My lambs.”
16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of [c]Jonah, do you love Me?”He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I [d]love You.”
He said to him, “Tend My sheep.”
17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of [e]Jonah, do you [f]love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.

Ziggy Version. (ZV)
15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Paul, do you love Me more than these?”
He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I [b]love You.” He said to him, “Feed My lambs.”
16 He said to him again a second time, “Paul, do you love Me? ”He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I [d]love You.”
He said to him, “Tend My sheep.”
17 He said to him the third time, “Paul, do you [f]love Me?” Paul was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.”
Jesus said to him, “Feed My sheep.

I pray someday the Catholic church will be converted also, just as Jesus prayed for Peter's conversion.

HISTORY repeats itself.

Hugs

You insult the CC followed by "Hugs"? You are awarded 30 pieces of silver:

 

[Ziggy]

First of all – Jesus’s words to Peter were NOT confined to what Peter was allowed to reveal or NOT reveal. Jesus told him, WHATEVER you loose or bind on earth will be loosed or bound in Heaven.
This means that - guided by the Holy Spirit – ANYTHING Peter declared on behalf of the Church is authoritative.

Apparently you don't understand What the Kingdom of God is.
You should read some parables.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Important prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures(Old Testament) had already announced the coming of a symbolic foundation stone and the double role it would play. It was to be an instrument of salvation for those who exercised faith: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky.” (Isaiah 28:16) Paradoxically, it was to be a rock over which the unbelieving Israelites would have stumbled: “The stone that the builders rejected has become the head of the corner.” (Psalm 118:22) “As a stone to strike against and as a rock over which to stumble to both the houses of Israel.”(Isaiah 8:14)

Peter himself, as we read at 1 Peter 2:4-8, considered Jesus, and not himself, to be the foundation stone. On a previous occasion, when speaking to the Jewish religious leaders, he confirmed that “Jesus Christ the Nazarene” was “the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.”(Acts 4:10, 11)

The apostle Paul was of like mind, as can be seen from scriptures such as Romans 9:31-33,; 1 Corinthians 10:4, and Ephesians 2:20, this last verse confirming the fact that the members of the Christian congregation are “built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.” He is also ‘the head of the congregation,’ which he guides from the heavens. “I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things,” said Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:22; 5:23; Matthew 28:20; Colossians 1:18)

It was the 12 apostles, collectively, who decided how to provide for the material necessities of needy ones. (Acts 6:1-6) The body of 12 also decided who should be sent to the Samaritans after they had accepted the good news, and Peter and John were chosen. On this occasion, it would appear that Peter, far from making decisions on his own, was simply one of those “dispatched” by the apostles. (Acts 8:14)

The apostle Paul, when speaking of the various ministries that contributed to the upbuilding of the congregation, did not mention the so-called magisterium of the pope but rather the collective service of all the apostles.(1 Corinthians 12:28; Ephesians 4:11, 12)

Only the Scriptures are infallible, being the Word of God. Peter spoke of “the prophetic word” to which to pay attention as to a shining lamp. (2 Peter 1:19-21) If we are to know God’s will, then we must entrust ourselves to his ‘living’ Word. (Hebrews 4:12) Only God’s Word, and not an ambiguous definition by religious leaders, offers the certainties that mankind so badly needs. (Matthew 24:45-47)

Yes, let’s look at some other verses to get Biblical context with regard to Peter’s Primacy.

Matt. 16:18-19 is an almost verbatim fulfillment of the promises God made to Eliakiin as head over the house of David (Isa. 22:20-22).

We see the SAME parallel in Joseph, when he was given supreme Authority over Pharoah’s kingdom as his chief agent (Gen. 41:40-44).

What Jesus gives Peter is a THREEFOLD blessing:
1. “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
2. You are the Rock on which I will build my Church
3. I will giv you the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.

This is the understanding of the Early Church as attested to in their writings.

The Protestant version would have us believe that Jesus issued a blessing, followed by an insult, capped off with another blessing:
1. “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
2. You are an insignificant pebble!
3. I will give you the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.

It simply doesn’t make sense and defies logic.
The Petros/Petra argument also defies logic as “Petra” is a feminine noun and would NOT be used to describe a man (Peter). Hence, the use of “Petros” . . .

I also noticed you completely glossed over the fact that Paul refers to Peter as “Cepha” in his letters, which is a Greek transliteration of the ARAMAIC “Kepha” (Rock).

Finally, in an earlier post, I listed 15 Biblical reasons why Peter was in charge.
a. Tell me WHY Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19) if did not put him in charge.

b. Tell me WHY Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19) if did not put him in charge.

c. Tell me WHY Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32) if did not put him in charge.

d. Tell me WHY Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2) if he was not in charge??

e. Tell me WHY Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13) if he was not in charge??

f. Tell me WHY Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7) if he was not in charge??

g. Tell me WHY Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22) if He was not in charge??

h. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36) if he was not in charge??

i. Tell me WHY Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12) if he was not in charge??

j. Tell me WHY Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11) if He was not in charge??

k. Tell me WHY Peter is the first person after Christ to raise the dead (Acts 9:40) if he was not in charge??

l. Tell me WHY Cornelius is told by an angel to seek out Peter for instruction in Christianity (Acts 10:1-6) if he was not in charge??

m. Tell me WHY Peter's name is mentioned more often than all the other disciples put together if He was not in charge??

His name is mentioned 191 times (162 as Peter or Simon Peter, 23 as Simon and 6 as Cephas). John is the next with only 48 mentions, and Peter is present 50 percent of the time we find John in the Bible.

 

[Ziggy]

Then you DON’T know Christ.

He certainly has a physical substance – His BODY – which suffered and DIED for your sins, was resurrected and ascended to the Father.
To deny this fact is to deny Christ Himself.

Good luck with that . . .

So you admit your a cannibal?
Well done

 

[BreadOfLife]

Apparently you don't understand What the Kingdom of God is.
You should read some parables.

No - I just don't change the meaning of Scripture when I don't agree with it - like YOU do.

 

[BreadOfLife]

YET another of your gravely misunderstood Scriptures.
WHATEVER....ANY MEMBER of Christ JESUS CHURCH....

Binds on earth shall be bound in heaven....
And
Looses on earth shall be loosed in heaven...

^^^^^^ THAT^^^^^^

IS NOT about your implication of PETER holding some sort of power to dictate WHO shall enter or be refused entry into Heaven.

THAT IS: about EVERY INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF Christ Jesus Church...
OWN ACCOUNTABILITY, “OF FORGIVENESS FOR (or NOT) of TRESPASSES” between and amongst men.

A Man who forgives another man of Trespasses against him...SO ALSO SHALL THAT man BE FORGIVEN his own Trespasses .... IN HEAVEN.

A Man who DOES NOT forgive another man of Trespasses against him....SO ALSO SHALL his own Trespasses NOT be FORGIVEN him.... IN HEAVEN.

READ and LEARN Gods OWN TRUTH....
instead of being TOLD what to BELIEVE!

WRONG.

Jesus NEVER taught the crowds that whatever THEY bound or loosed ono earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven. This is something that he ONLY told to His inner circle.

Simple hermeneutical rule (sorry for the BIG word):
- When Jesus preached to the crowds – it is a universal message.
- When He instructed His inner circle – He was instructing the LEADERS of His Church.

Just as on the night of His Resurrection, Jesus appeared to His inner circle and this is what transpired:

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent ME, so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.”

NOWHERE in the Gospels did Jesus do this for the crowds.
Like it or not – Jesus left a hierarchy in place to oversee His Church – YOUR rebellion, notwithstanding . . ..

 

[Ziggy]

Matt. 16:19 – whatever Peter binds or looses on earth is bound or loosed in heaven / when the Prime Minister to the King opens, no one shuts. This “binding and loosing” authority allows the keeper of the keys to establish “halakah,” or rules of conduct for the members of the kingdom he serves.

See Job chapters 38 - 41.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes!

Salvation Came unto OT Believers Hebrew/ Tribes (ISRAEL) PER the Mosaic LAW; Believing, taking their SIN offering to the Temple for an offering for Forgiveness.

Jesus Fulfilled that Law, VIA offering His BODY, His BLOOD, in place of animals.

Jesus’ OFFERING was encompassing OF ALL MEN (ISRAEL or GENTILE) THUS...Hebrew, Tribesman, Jew, Gentile....Became IRRELEVANT.

By the time JESUS arrived on Earth, ALL of ISRAEL (all Tribesmen) were calling themselves and being called JEWS.

While the DIVISION GAP between JEW and GENTILE became IRRELEVANT...
ANOTHER DIVISION was “CAUSED” BY Jesus...

THIS DIVISION, was precisely ONE of the things Jesus was SENT TO Accomplish.

Luke 12:
[51] Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
John 7:
[43] So there was a division among the people because of him.


THIS DIVISION, was ( And IS to this day )...
*) A DIVISION Between JEWS with Jesus and JEWS without Jesus.
*) A DIVISION Between GENTILES with Jesus and GENTILES without Jesus.
*) A DIVISION Between JEWS in Christ and JEWS without Christ.
*) A DIVISION Between GENTILES in Christ and GENTILES without Christ.

No man IS SAVED, UNTIL
his BODY is “Spiritually DEAD” (crucified with Jesus)
OR
his BODY is “mortally DEAD” having died in Belief.

Any mans BODY “Spiritually DEAD”....so ALSO is his natural spirit MADE..
“Spiritually ALIVE...ie BORN AGAIN”....He is CALLED...CONVERTED..
‘IN CHRIST”.

He IS A member of Christ’s Church. Sanctified, (set apart) from ALL OTHER men, to BE called and risen up in his Glorified Body; BY the Lord Himself, and Reign with Christ Jesus the King, of His Kingdom, for 1,000 years.

After the 1,000 years, God shall Bring (raise up) with Him, THOSE who mortally died .... Believing IN Jesus, (yet not having Converted IN Christ.

There IS a difference between IN Jesus...and IN Christ.

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1 Thes 4:
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

IN Jesus....a man believes Jesus died and rose again.
IN Christ....a man believes Jesus IS the Christ the Son of the Living God, (and has confessed thereof).

IN Christ IS risen BEFORE the Tribulation.
IN Jesus IS risen AFTER the millennial reign.

And YES...many ARE Divided...and shall be separated.

Glory to God,
Taken

TRUTH from Scripture reverberated by Taken

THIS DIVISION, was ( And IS to this day )...
*) A DIVISION Between JEWS with Jesus and JEWS without Jesus.
*) A DIVISION Between GENTILES with Jesus and GENTILES without Jesus.
*) A DIVISION Between JEWS in Christ and JEWS without Christ.
*) A DIVISION Between GENTILES in Christ and GENTILES without Christ.

and *) A DIVISION Between BornAgain/SPIRIT/Inward and RELIGION/CARNAL/Outward

Thank You

 

[BreadOfLife]

So you admit your a cannibal?
Well done

THANK YOU for saying that.
This is the very SAME thing that the pagan Romans accused the Early Church of for their belief and devotion to the Eucharist - and their belief that it is the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the risen Christ.

I'm in GOOD company . . .

Ignatius of Antioch​

Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr​

We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these, but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus (First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]).

Irenaeus​

When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receive the Word of God and become the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported) how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life — flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord and is in fact a member of him? (Against Heresies 5:2 [A.D. 189]).

Cyril of Jerusalem​

The bread and the wine of the Eucharist before the holy invocation of the adorable Trinity were simple bread and wine, but the invocation having been made, the bread becomes the body of Christ and the wine the blood of Christ (Catechetical Lectures 19:7 [A.D. 350]).

Augustine​

That bread which you see on the altar having been sanctified by the word of God is the body of Christ, That chalice, or rather, what is in that chalice, having been sanctified by the word of God, is the blood of Christ (Sermons 227 [A.D. 411]).

What you see is the bread and the chalice, that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that the bread is the body of Christ and the chalice is the blood of Christ. This has been said very briefly, which may perhaps be sufficient for faith, yet faith does not desire instruction (ibid. 272).

 

[Jim B]

WRONG.

Jesus NEVER taught the crowds that whatever THEY bound or loosed ono earth would be bound or loosed in Heaven. This is something that he ONLY told to His inner circle.

Simple hermeneutical rule (sorry for the BIG word):
- When Jesus preached to the crowds – it is a universal message.
- When He instructed His inner circle – He was instructing the LEADERS of His Church.

Just as on the night of His Resurrection, Jesus appeared to His inner circle and this is what transpired:

John 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent ME, so I send YOU.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained.”

NOWHERE in the Gospels did Jesus do this for the crowds.
Like it or not – Jesus left a hierarchy in place to oversee His Church – YOUR rebellion, notwithstanding . . ..

You are partially right. However, there is a problem with your "inner circle" theory, and that problem is Paul. He was not part of the "inner circle". In fact, he tried to destroy the church until Jesus appeared to him separately. He then became the greatest apostle and wrote most of the epistles of the New Testament, God's written word.

Don't you find it odd that, after Jesus' resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit, most of His "inner circle" are rarely mentioned in Scripture? And He most definitely did not leave a a hierarchy of his "inner circle" in place to oversee His Church".

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are partially right. However, there is a problem with your "inner circle" theory, and that problem is Paul. He was not part of the "inner circle". In fact, he tried to destroy the church until Jesus appeared to him separately. He then became the greatest apostle and wrote most of the epistles of the New Testament, God's written word.

Don't you find it odd that, after Jesus' resurrection and the giving of the Holy Spirit, most of His "inner circle" are rarely mentioned in Scripture? And He most definitely did not leave a a hierarchy of his "inner circle" in place to oversee His Church".

Paul's not a "problem".
He was simply a later recruit to the inner circle.

As to your claim that Jesus DIDN'T leave a hierarchy - the Bible proves you wrong.
Forgetting the fact that the Twelve are are at the Last Supper when Jesus institutes the Eucharist and the fact that this inner circle are present in the Upper Room on the night of His Resurrection (John 20) - you must deal with Acts 1.

Here, we see the Eleven remaining Apostles, surrounded by about 110 others voting for a successor to Judas's "office". The word used here in Acts 1:20 for "office" is "Episkopay" (Bishopric).
This entire scenario is an illustration of a hierarchy.

Fast forward to the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 where they make an authoritative statement with regard to the Judaizers:
"It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements" (Acts 15:28).

Another illustration of a Church hierarchy.