Oh no you don’t marks. Every time Epi talks about going to God for more grace to overcome, you go on and on about how you already have the full measure of grace, how you have Gods righteousness imparted onto you, how you only need to believe you are sinless to be sinless and many more crazy things.
What does it mean to be born again?
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Then you need grace.. Repent and Come to Gods salvation. And he will teach you his righteousness.. and also teach you not to look at yourself and think you are holier than you are.
You are a "lightweight" Epi.
And this is the mikhtav that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UFARSIN.
This is the pesher of the thing; MENE; G-d hath numbered thy malchut, and finished with it.
TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
I've actually put on the pounds in middle age. But thanks for the encouragement. :)
Or better, a person who realizes they are not of themself righteous, but are relying on Christ's righteousness to render them righteous both judicially - forgiven of sin - and experientially - as we do righteousness.
We are righteous in our new creation, and are being trained by God to live out that righteousness in our lives.
He has given us all we need for life and godliness, through His promises - His self commitment to us. As we believe the reality of His Word - His promises - we see them become true in our lives.
As we have the hope that when we see Jesus, we will be like Him, we actually do purify ourselves, even as He is pure.
And many things like that.
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Actually that is imputed (not imparted). Imparted sounds too real. The word imputed sounds better if you mean make-believe.
And the true imputation is according to our own righteousness...not God's. God would never impute His righteousness to someone..as if God would say..there goes somebody who is as righteous as I am! WOW.
Are you sure? When the man prayed, have mercy on me, a sinner, and he went away justified, are you sure God didn’t tap him on the head with a bippety bop and say, presto chango! I impute my righteousness onto you!
Yes...a very great underestimation of who God is.
Cleanses and sanctifies through the washing of the water of the word......as well as makes one wise unto salvation. Also the entrance of the word gives light. (ie, it's not just instruction for outward behaviour, it can change us on the inside, break strongholds, etc.)
and just to add, that is not an exhaustive list.
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@stunnedbygrace...think I've messed up the quote feature so not sure if your post will show up.
"Assumed status" are Epi's words, not mine. He is pitting "Christ in us" (imputed righteousness) against Christ as our future reward, when it isn't a case of one or the other.
"Assumed status" are Epi's words, not mine. He is pitting "Christ in us" (imputed righteousness) against Christ as our future reward, when it isn't a case of one or the other.
True "imputation" according to our own righteousness?
This me’ushar , then, does it come on those of the bris milah or also on those without the bris milah ? For we say, emunah "was counted, reckoned, credited" to Avraham Avinu for TZEDAKAH ("righteousness" BERESHIS 15:6).
What exactely is the Tzedakah of YHVH in Yeshua?
Would the Holy Spirit indwell a believer that is not Tzedakah in the sight of YHVH?
Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision! And he received the ot distinguishing of the milah as a chotam (seal) of the Tzidkat HaEmunah (the Righteousness of Faith) which he had in his uncircumcision, in order that he might be father of all who believe through uncircumcision, that to be YITZDAK IM HASHEM might be reckoned, counted to them as well,
Seems like your reasoning powers is out of zinc as well.
Well as you know, even though it does not make a hill of beans, I'm not a denominationalist or a so-called 'evangelical Protestant.'
If you are really saying you/one read(s) scripture in a non-spiritually inspired or led fashion, as reading any human-devised book subject then yes, I agree with you. Reading scripture this way does not make one spiritually in-tune with it and be possessed by its symbols and words. Scripture does sometimes inspire to action and sometimes just information to literally take to heart of spirit of course. Now how we act on it is important. That's why it so vital to be truly inspired by it and allow the Spirit to lead you/one to action not YOU/ONE doing the action for what you believe is right for the Spirit. A lot of people and I used to do this is sometimes get ahead and 'do' self-work' to please God through his word. We of course must guard against doing works out of a selfish carnal mind.
Now just claiming righteousness/set apart/holy purpose is not the way I have ever approached it or thought of it. I just know that I have been set apart because I just know within me, in my heart, in my walk and in my mostly Spirit-filled experience. WHY do you keep assuming what YOU think about folks, including me is actually true. There must have been a bump in your road that has caused you to be pessimistic and assume the worse in especially your fellow-believers.
Look it would be really foolish as a new believer who reads for the first time I'm righteous now. And so I got the righteous ticket and now I must keep it hidden in vault and be holy. That person does not know what it means to be righteous yet, let alone say I'm done now and sits on their rear. That's not reality in my books SBG.
How do you really know folks read it, claim it and do NOTHING, say concerning righteousness. They have the Spirit within them right? Do you think the Spirit of God would influence them to believe they are done now or not DO the right thing and works OF the SPIRIT. I ask you this because a genuine believer cannot just sit still being trained in righteousness of scripture. They just cannot, not me anyway. We and I do the right thing as the Spirit allow and directed. It becomes a habit over time as we do God's work, with God's love extended to others in and from our hearts. This is really being righteous and holy. I'm trying to convey this to you in the same manner.
Wow, who is gnashing at that? Certainly not me and not others that I've seen here. You folks truly are not getting what is being said. Jesus was all the time being misunderstood and falsely accused for the same reason. Need ears to hear what the spirit is saying. That means spiritual hearing....the mind of Christ.....and a heart that is right with Him.
"Have ye received the Holy Spirit since ye believed?" or maybe you haven't known the Lord long..?
Because they constantly harass anyone moving on from elementary things and speaking of anything deeper. They call such a man a false teacher and worse, say he teaches a false gospel if he speaks of picking up your cross to follow, saying they have already been crucified and are as righteous as Jesus and are holy. I could go on and on about the crazy things they say if anyone talks of moving on.
@Lizbeth I'm going to say this once, Aorist, anyone that can swallow up Epi's different gospel is deluded and have no spiritual discernment.
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J.
I base what I think about where someone is and what they think on what they say and on whether they are trying to tear down or build up. As far as I can see, none of the regular cast of characters who like to come into every one of epis threads and harass him even listen to any of his videos.
As for you, as I said, we had a days long conversation on whether or not Jesus is to be worshiped. That’s how I know. I didn’t just come up with some wild opinion without having a long conversation with you. And no, we cannot have the conversation again because they’ve now banned the topic of “Jesus is not God.” You’re allowed to say He is God, but you aren’t allowed to say He isn’t.
I see what you mean here....yes, been crucified with Christ is definitely not the same as carrying and bearing one's cross as were continue to walk and work out/THROUGH our salvation in righteousness as of Christ and sanctification (in holiness) also assured and promised.
Although in my experience, I have not read or heard of much talk of condemning one to carry one's Cross as with the mind and spirit of Christ.....Well I continue to carry mine with the yoke that is light as you do...
I'm sorry to say that was just another false accusation in a constant barrage of them.......nobody here is speaking or coming against the admonitions of scripture to carry our cross, work out our salvation with fear and trembling, etc, that I know of.
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