Is knowing what death is a comfort?

[Keturah]

Resurrection is to give another chance to the ones who died before the final judgement of this system of things ... God is good.

They may learn to obey God before the last test to the end of the Millenium. After that test is the last trial.

What a LIE !
God is merciful, but it is here on earth @ all's living.
God is wonderful but the chance to repent is TODAY, NOW.
What a lie you believe.
The resurrection is pre the JUDGMENT

 

[ElieG12]

What a LIE !

Have a beutiful day.

 

[rwb]

Resurrection is to give another chance to the ones who died before the final judgement of this system of things ... God is good.

They may learn to obey God before the last test to the end of the Millenium. After that test is the last trial.

This is not truth Elie! The bodily resurrection in the hour coming is either eternal life for the just, or damnation for the unjust. You are defending a lie Elie. The Bible is very clear men die once, and after this the judgment. And only those "many" who look for His second coming shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation for them.

Hebrews 9:27-28 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

[ElieG12]

Well, then tell me what sense makes to you that God resurrects unrighteous persons to judge them once again to kill them once again.

 

[rwb]

Well, then tell me what sense makes to you that God resurrects unrighteous persons to judge them once again to kill them once again.

Elie,

The physical death for the unrighteous is eternal when they are cast alive into the burning lake with body and soul. Once the soul is destroyed eternally the unrighteous will never live again.

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[ElieG12]

Thanks for the text: God will destroy totally many people.

He is not going to keep them alive to torture them for ever and ever, because that is not something that gives Him any pleasure at all ... not even on killing anyone.

Eze. 33:10 “And you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘You have said: “Our revolts and our sins weigh heavily upon us, causing us to waste away; so how will we keep living?”’ 11 Tell them, ‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die, O house of Israel?”’

 

[Taken]

Resurrection is to give another chance to the ones who died before the final judgement of this system of things ... God is good.

Resurrection is purposed For THREE things;

1) All Living souls (saved and unsaved) returned to their Bodies.
(The Blood is the life of the Body...Body life remains Dead...
(The Life of In the Soul is Gods Breath...the Living soul returning to the Body, allows the Body to rise up.
( The body rising up, will be rising up Before the Judge.
( At that time All Will See And Believe And Take a Knee And Bow And Worship The Lord.
( That fulfills Scripture all Will Believe And Bow And Worship Him.

2) Opening of the Books.
(Gods Book of Life...Names there, and some Names blotted out.
( Lambs Book of Life...Name Entered Only Of Those IN Christ.
( Records Of Every man who did works to Glorified God, They Given REWARDS.
( Names not appearing Gods or Lambs Book of Life...have Gods Breath departed from their soul, and returns to God AND their LIFELESS body And LIFELESS Destroyed.

3) Complete and Forever Separation, And Zero Remembrance Of Dead Bodies, Lifeless Souls...from the Lord God and the Forever Living.

Once the body has mortally died Without Belief there is no resurrection of That Body’s life (blood) to Make a Confession of Belief.

They may learn to obey God before the last test to the end of the Millenium. After that test is the last trial.

@rwb Was correctly telling you after a mortal (bodily death) there is no option for that dead body to regain it’s blood life and confess Belief.

There shall be mortal men during the millennial reign....the same as now, during their life span (body blood life) they can confess belief or not.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Robert Gwin]

The spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven has always been represented by the Church on earth. The Church that began of old through the nation of Israel, which began to be "the Church in the wilderness." (Acts 7:38) The Kingdom of God, represented by the Church on earth was indeed taken from the nation of Israel and given to whosoever is of faith in Christ. We read fulfillment of Christ's prophetic words as He declares, "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." (Mt 23:38) From that moment the nation of old ceased to be the representation of the spiritual Kingdom of God through the Church on earth. Through the rejection of their promised Messiah, the Church UNIVERSALLY would be the representation of the spiritual Kingdom of God, with only the remnant from old who would be saved by grace through faith.

In Galatians 6, Paul clearly proves the nation that brings forth fruits would not be limited to Jewish Israel, but would be "a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light". Who is past times were not the people of God, but have now obtained mercy through Christ. Which Paul confirms in his epistle to the Galatians when he says there is no difference between the circumcision (Jewish Israel) and uncircumcision (Gentiles) in Christ, for they shall be called the Israel of God.

1 Peter 2:10 (KJV) Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Galatians 6:15-16 (KJV) For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

This is my understanding of these verses Bob.

The Israel of God is actually the "church" RW. The Kingdom of the heavens didn't really come into force until Jesus became King, and satan and the demons were cast out. Lengthy subject, perhaps you have heard of the times of the gentiles? Luke 21:24 This plays in very heavily to the establishment of the Kingdom, do you know what the times of the gentiles is?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Because I believe Christ Bob! I believe Him when He says, "Whosoever lives and believes in Me shall NEVER die." If death of our body means death of our spirit as well, meaning we are no longer a living spiritual soul after physical death, then we must reject the words of Christ because He promises to give something He will not!

Why do you doubt the words of Christ Bob? Is it because you do not have understanding of "eternal life"? Christ would not say the life we have in Him is eternal/everlasting if physical death results also in the death of our spirit.

ETERNAL/EVERLASTING
Strong's Greek Dictionary
166. αἰώνιος aionios (aiṓnios)
Search for G166 in KJVSL; in KJV.
αἰώνιος aiṓnios, ahee-o'-nee-os - from G165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):—eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began).

I don't doubt that for a second RW. You seem to be quite sincere, so I never questioned your belief in Jesus. But clearly, since every single individual did in fact die that Jesus' said that to, understanding in what he meant comes into play. You have already realized that and applied it differently than to being literal. You believe that it is only your body that dies and you go to be with the Lord, correct? Which is true to those of the Israel of God that it was written to. But even in that time was a factor, as most of them, and every one of them that Jesus personally said that to that died, had to wait until the first resurrection Rev 20:6. Jesus was the very first resurrected one to be resurrected to everlasting life. I am not sure if those of them who die now have to spend any time in the grave or not, because at some point they will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, that is true when Jesus returns, and possibly now since the first resurrection has occurred.

The Bible did define what death is, and I believe it is correct. While none of us want to die, I have accepted that, and interestingly if Jesus returns tomorrow, those who are preserved through the tribulation, will never have to die, now those ones which are in fact believers of Jesus, will literally fulfill Jesus' words, that they will never die at all. So in all history, those innumerable survivors Rev 7:9,14 will at some point be the oldest humans who ever lived. What a special privilege it will be to be among them, but if I am to be among them, I am sure not looking forward to living through the great tribulation. Can you just imagine how horrific it will be?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Body’s came out of the Earth and Dead Body’s return to the Earth.

Souls of men come from Gods breath....
(Saved soul departed out of a dead body?
* Escorted to God in Heaven.
(Unsaved souls departed out of a dead body?
* Sent to Hell.

Spirits of men come from Gods Seed.
( All Who Have Received Gods Seed?
* Their spirit departs out of their dead body, and that spirit rises up to Heaven with God.


Applicable to anyone whom the Lord is neither with or in.

Did you know that everyone is with one of the two God's Taken? That is really what the two paths Jesus mentioned at Mat 7:13,14 represent.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Never.



I didn’t really see what I would say is the complete meaning of death/dead.

My perspective...

Bodily Death/Dead:
Life in body (blood) ceases flowing, body physically Dead.
Body begins decaying.
Body knows, feels nothing.
* A Living Body ...Against God (disbelief, Sin against God), although Alive is accounted Dead to God.

Every soul is a living soul...in or out of the body.
* Living soul departs the body, continues living, continues seeing, speaking, hearing, smelling, tasting, feeling touch.....May be in Heaven with God (ie Saved), May be in Hell without God (ie. Unsaved)
Each waiting for Judgement.
* IF, the mans “spirit” is born again, the spirit departs the dead body, and goes to Heaven, with God.
* If, the mans “spirit” is not born again, his natural spirit dies with his body.
* Every Living soul...in or out of a body...not saved....is accounted Dead to God.
* Every Living soul....in or out of a body, not saved, is accounted as Dead to God.

The whole of man is body, soul, spirit.
The ONLY part of the whole of man that is appointed to die and Must die is the natural form from out of the Earth, mortal physical BODY.

The soul, the spirit, come from God.
Gods breath is His life in the soul. Gods life does not die or remain in a Physically Dead rotting Body.

The quickened spirit of a man is Gods Spirit in the man, Gods Life does not die, nor remain in a physically dead rotting body.

Physical death applies to the body.
Spiritual Death applies to any body, soul, spirit that is without God,

Thanks for sharing that Taken. It is nice to see how our opinions compare with Bible teachings.

 

[rwb]

The Israel of God is actually the "church" RW. The Kingdom of the heavens didn't really come into force until Jesus became King, and satan and the demons were cast out. Lengthy subject, perhaps you have heard of the times of the gentiles? Luke 21:24 This plays in very heavily to the establishment of the Kingdom, do you know what the times of the gentiles is?

I agree the Israel of God is indeed the Church Bob. The spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven was in force when the Christ child was born. And because of the war that took place in heaven when Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels out of heaven and to the earth we read of a loud voice from heaven saying, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

Isaiah 9:6-7 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The time of the Gentiles began when Christ came with salvation, strength and the Kingdom of God with power. When the last of the Gentiles to be saved is grafted into the Kingdom of God with Jews of faith, then the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete, and the time of the Gentiles finished. Because it is through Gentiles of faith that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven shall be complete, and in this way "all Israel shall be saved." Not an ethnic Israel, but the Israel of God.

Romans 11:25-26 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[rwb]

I don't doubt that for a second RW. You seem to be quite sincere, so I never questioned your belief in Jesus. But clearly, since every single individual did in fact die that Jesus' said that to, understanding in what he meant comes into play. You have already realized that and applied it differently than to being literal. You believe that it is only your body that dies and you go to be with the Lord, correct? Which is true to those of the Israel of God that it was written to. But even in that time was a factor, as most of them, and every one of them that Jesus personally said that to that died, had to wait until the first resurrection Rev 20:6. Jesus was the very first resurrected one to be resurrected to everlasting life. I am not sure if those of them who die now have to spend any time in the grave or not, because at some point they will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, that is true when Jesus returns, and possibly now since the first resurrection has occurred.

The Bible did define what death is, and I believe it is correct. While none of us want to die, I have accepted that, and interestingly if Jesus returns tomorrow, those who are preserved through the tribulation, will never have to die, now those ones which are in fact believers of Jesus, will literally fulfill Jesus' words, that they will never die at all. So in all history, those innumerable survivors Rev 7:9,14 will at some point be the oldest humans who ever lived. What a special privilege it will be to be among them, but if I am to be among them, I am sure not looking forward to living through the great tribulation. Can you just imagine how horrific it will be?

All who are born again of the Spirit are the "Israel of God" Bob! I don't know where you get the idea that only 'some' are of the Israel of God? There is only ONE faithful people spiritually in the Kingdom of God, and it does not matter what ethnic persuasion they are. All believers are of ONE body, and ONE faith, with ONE Lord and Saviour. EVERY human is destined to physically die. But NONE who die in faith, being indwelt with the life-giving Spirit of God are counted as being of "the dead", NONE! Why? Because physical death for believers is leaving our dead body behind and as living (spirit) souls ascending to heaven a spiritual body. We are as alive in heaven as are the angels of heaven, and where our Lord is, we are spiritually with Him after our body dies. That's why Paul looked forward to the death of his flesh, knowing that when he was out of his body of death, he would be with the Lord in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:21-23 (KJV) For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

You know why all who have been born again of the life-giving Spirit are NEVER counted with "the dead" outside of Christ? Because to partake of Christ through new birth from His Spirit is to have part in the "first resurrection". You acknowledge this when you say, "Jesus was the very first resurrected one to be resurrected to everlasting life." Yes, He was, and it is His resurrection life we must have part in to have no fear of the second death. When we partake of Christ, through Spiritual re-birth, we have partaken of the "first resurrection." And as John shows in Rev 20, those living and reigning with Christ in TIME are NEVER counted among the "rest of the dead" or all "the dead" who shall stand before the GWTJ.

John 11:25 (KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

We shall all be bodily resurrected in the same hour that is coming (John 5:28-29), when the last trump sounds (1Cor 15:51-53), the bodies of the faithful saints shall be resurrected to immortal and incorruptible life (complete living souls), and the dead, who are not written in the Book of Life, resurrected to damnation.

I, like the Apostle Paul do not fear death, and look forward to that day when I will finally be with my Lord in heaven. But I know, and trust the Lord to take me from this body of death at His appointed time, and so I am content to wait on His timing.

As long as believers live in this world we are all appointed to suffer tribulation and trials, with "great tribulation" and affliction. Christ told us that as we proclaim the Gospel unto all the world, we shall have "great tribulation". As we look back, we can see the truth in the words Christ spoke. We also see His promise that "great tribulation" will not endure, for with each trial the Church on earth faces, there has always been a reprieve, and the tribulation shortened so the Church would faithfully endure to the end, and all who shall be saved will be saved.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This passage below is a depiction of the fullness or complete innumerable souls in heaven, whose dead bodies shall be resurrected to immortality and incorruptible when the last trump sounds that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete and there are no more people to be saved. Time on this earth shall be no more.

Revelation 7:9-17 (KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

 

[Taken]

Did you know that everyone is with one of the two God's Taken? That is really what the two paths Jesus mentioned at Mat 7:13,14 represent.

Yup...
High road to victory with the Lord God...
Other road to defeat with all other gods...

 

[Taken]

All who are born again of the Spirit are the "Israel of God" Bob! I don't know where you get the idea that only 'some' are of the Israel of God?

Knowledge was from the beginning given man bit by bit.
The God of Israel was exclusive to men of the Race of the people of Israel.
All Israel’s Salvation was given every believer at the time of their mortal bodily death.

The God of Israel, has Become the God of All Willing Men, regardless of Race...Israel or Gentile....by, through, of Gods Offering of Jesus Bodily Death.
and any mans ACCEPTANCE of Gods Offering, according to Gods WAY.

A Gentile becomes INCLUDED by Gods Declaration...
Jesus took upon Himself the Seed of Abraham.
(Heb 2:16)

The Confusion...
Mortal seeds of male/female offspring determine Legal (Law) Offspring.
...Jesus’ (Law) Parents were of the House of king David and Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Israel, Gods People.

The Spiritual Revealing...
...Abraham received the Seed of God and ANY willing man who receives the Seed of God, (who is Christ), By Faith (not the Law) That man has become THEN (before Mortal Death), an offspring of:
God, and of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David...and entitled to the inheritance given them and their faithful offspring.
(Gal 3: 6-29)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rwb]

Knowledge was from the beginning given man bit by bit.
The God of Israel was exclusive to men of the Race of the people of Israel.
All Israel’s Salvation was given every believer at the time of their mortal bodily death.

The Old Covenant people called Israel belong to the Israel of God according to faith. Those of Old who believed the prophesy of the Messiah who would come demonstrated faith. The Old Covenant people heard the Gospel through the prophets in the same way all people hear the Gospel as the Church on earth faithfully proclaims the Gospel, and all who hear and believe are of the Israel of God.

Hebrews 4:1-3 (KJV) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Romans 10:13-21 (KJV) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world. But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you. But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me. But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Even Abraham heard the Gospel, and by grace through faith he believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Galatians 3:8 (KJV) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Galatians 3:9 (KJV) So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

The Old Covenant prophets repeatedly prophesy of the Messiah who would come to cleanse and redeem them from death. But without faith it is impossible to please God, so those of Old who knew of the Messiah to come must believe to be saved. When the mortal bodies are resurrected at the hour coming, that when the last trump sounds, all who are of faith from both Old Covenant Israel, and New Covenant Israel of God, inclusive of people from every nation of the earth, will be bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible and reunited with our eternal spirit to live be complete living soul to live with Christ forever on the new earth.

 

[Robert Gwin]

I agree the Israel of God is indeed the Church Bob. The spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven was in force when the Christ child was born. And because of the war that took place in heaven when Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels out of heaven and to the earth we read of a loud voice from heaven saying, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

Isaiah 9:6-7 (KJV) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The time of the Gentiles began when Christ came with salvation, strength and the Kingdom of God with power. When the last of the Gentiles to be saved is grafted into the Kingdom of God with Jews of faith, then the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven will be complete, and the time of the Gentiles finished. Because it is through Gentiles of faith that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven shall be complete, and in this way "all Israel shall be saved." Not an ethnic Israel, but the Israel of God.

Romans 11:25-26 (KJV) For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

I gather you don't know what the time of the gentiles is Rw.

It comes from a prophecy we see in Daniel chapter 4 with a dream that Nebuchadnezzar had about a tree that was chopped down. This tree represented God's rulership, and those whom He allowed to sit on His throne. Daniel said to Nebuchadnezzar: Da 4:22 it is thou, O king, that art grown and become strong and added: Da 4:25 that thou shalt be driven from men, and thy dwelling shall be with the beasts of the field, and thou shalt be made to eat grass as oxen, and shalt be wet with the dew of heaven, and seven times shall pass over thee; till thou know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will. That is exactly what happened as you likely realize.

But this prophecy was much larger than just Nebuchadnezzars insignificant rule. It was really pointing to the Kingdom of God and whom Jehovah would choose to sit on His throne: Da 4:17 . . .to the intent that the living may know that the Most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the lowest of men. Likely you realize Jesus is to sit on Jehovah's throne, as King of the Kingdom of God. Ezekiel expounds on this prophecy: Eze 21:26 thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Remove the mitre, and take off the crown; this [shall be] no more the same; exalt that which is low, and abase that which is high. Eze 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn it: this also shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it [him].

This would happen when the 7 times ended. True Nebuchadnezzar was reinstated as King 7 yrs later, but Jesus stated that those times were still going on when he was on earth: Lu 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led captive into all the nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Jerusalem was overthrown and God's people were taken into captivity in 607:BCE and Zedekiah the last King to sit on Jehovah's throne was removed, thus starting that time, the prophecy was actually not 7 yrs, rather 7 years of days. We discern that time from Revelation chapter 12, verses 6 and 14, we learn that 1,260 days are equal to a time [that is, 1 time] and times [that is, 2 times] and half a time. That is a total of 3 1/2 times. So “a time” would be equal to 360 days. Therefore, seven times would be 7 times 360, or 2,520 days. Now if we count a day for a year, according to a Bible rule, the seven times equal 2,520 years. Num 14:34; Ez 4:6.
We have already learned that the appointed times of the nations began in the year 607 B.C.E. So by counting 2,520 years from that date, we come down to 1914 C.E. That is the year these appointed times ended. Millions of people still living remember the things that happened in 1914. In that year, World War I began Thus fulfilling “Nation would rise against Nation” the beginning of the sign Jesus gave his apostles Mat 24:7. This means that Jesus Christ began to rule as king of God’s heavenly government in 1914.

That is our take on it RW.

 

[Robert Gwin]

All who are born again of the Spirit are the "Israel of God" Bob! I don't know where you get the idea that only 'some' are of the Israel of God? There is only ONE faithful people spiritually in the Kingdom of God, and it does not matter what ethnic persuasion they are. All believers are of ONE body, and ONE faith, with ONE Lord and Saviour. EVERY human is destined to physically die. But NONE who die in faith, being indwelt with the life-giving Spirit of God are counted as being of "the dead", NONE! Why? Because physical death for believers is leaving our dead body behind and as living (spirit) souls ascending to heaven a spiritual body. We are as alive in heaven as are the angels of heaven, and where our Lord is, we are spiritually with Him after our body dies. That's why Paul looked forward to the death of his flesh, knowing that when he was out of his body of death, he would be with the Lord in heaven.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Philippians 1:21-23 (KJV) For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

You know why all who have been born again of the life-giving Spirit are NEVER counted with "the dead" outside of Christ? Because to partake of Christ through new birth from His Spirit is to have part in the "first resurrection". You acknowledge this when you say, "Jesus was the very first resurrected one to be resurrected to everlasting life." Yes, He was, and it is His resurrection life we must have part in to have no fear of the second death. When we partake of Christ, through Spiritual re-birth, we have partaken of the "first resurrection." And as John shows in Rev 20, those living and reigning with Christ in TIME are NEVER counted among the "rest of the dead" or all "the dead" who shall stand before the GWTJ.

John 11:25 (KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

We shall all be bodily resurrected in the same hour that is coming (John 5:28-29), when the last trump sounds (1Cor 15:51-53), the bodies of the faithful saints shall be resurrected to immortal and incorruptible life (complete living souls), and the dead, who are not written in the Book of Life, resurrected to damnation.

I, like the Apostle Paul do not fear death, and look forward to that day when I will finally be with my Lord in heaven. But I know, and trust the Lord to take me from this body of death at His appointed time, and so I am content to wait on His timing.

As long as believers live in this world we are all appointed to suffer tribulation and trials, with "great tribulation" and affliction. Christ told us that as we proclaim the Gospel unto all the world, we shall have "great tribulation". As we look back, we can see the truth in the words Christ spoke. We also see His promise that "great tribulation" will not endure, for with each trial the Church on earth faces, there has always been a reprieve, and the tribulation shortened so the Church would faithfully endure to the end, and all who shall be saved will be saved.

Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This passage below is a depiction of the fullness or complete innumerable souls in heaven, whose dead bodies shall be resurrected to immortality and incorruptible when the last trump sounds that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete and there are no more people to be saved. Time on this earth shall be no more.

Revelation 7:9-17 (KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

All who are born again of the Spirit are the "Israel of God" Bob! I don't know where you get the idea that only 'some' are of the Israel of God?

Yes sir, the Israel of God is made up exclusively of born again Christians. And they are the "church" and are called many things, among them the bride of Christ. They go to heaven sir.

So obviously this will be new to you, perhaps you have read John 10:16 when he was referring to those born again flock, he stated he had sheep which were not of that fold. And likely you are familiar with Jesus words on the sermon of the mount where he quoted Ps 37:11, 29 at Mat 5:5. God did not fail sir, it was not His intent for people to live on earth and die and go to heaven. With the sin of Adam, He had to make a detour to get it done, but that is exactly what He has done. Jesus did make a covenant with his faithful apostles for a Kingdom, they would serve as kings and priests in the Kingdom of God with him. It was not just limited to them however, it would encompass all born again Christians sir. They leave the earth for that reason. They will be our Kings and Priests under the King Jesus to rule over what? The earth RW. You have prayed for that Kingdom to come, and we are very near to it's coming sir. When you asked for it to come, what did you think you were asking for? If it is not coming, and all Christians are going to heaven, then why does satan have to be removed from the earth and bound for 1k yrs if it is not coming here? When satan is loosened after that millennium, where is he roaming, and why is people here? God never changes, nor did He change His mind about the earth either, we will just like the Bible says, inherit the earth and dwell upon it forever.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Yup...
High road to victory with the Lord God...
Other road to defeat with all other gods...

Amen Taken! So who really is one siding with if they choose not to stand on Jehovah's side. I agree that the broad road represents all those other gods, but most of them really don't exist, so when those on the broad road get cast into the lake of fire, which god was that lake created for sir? Mat 25:41

 

[Taken]

Amen Taken! So who really is one siding with if they choose not to stand on Jehovah's side. I agree that the broad road represents all those other gods, but most of them really don't exist, so when those on the broad road get cast into the lake of fire, which god was that lake created for sir? Mat 25:41

The lake of fire was created by the creator; God,
for ...
Beast...earthly Nations, Earthly government systems.
False Prophet...anti-God Head preacher over other anti-God speakers.
Devil...Spirit deceivers Against God.
Death...that which is void of life.
Hell....a place of Separation From God.
Them...Whosoever...Any earthling, Advocate or Supporter or Worshiper of;
corrupt nations, corrupt governance, corrupt preaching, Devil spirits...and void of life.

Rev 19:
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image.
These both (Beast and False Prophet) were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Rev 20:
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and (deceiving devil ) shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The only remaining “Alive forever thing” in the lake of fire; to be forever separated from God, to be tormented day and night for ever and ever....IS THAT which HAS forever life....IS that which Never sleeps/rests...
IS Devil Spirits.
Everything else cast into the lake of fire IS utterly destroyed, consumed by fire and forgotten.

Glory to God,
Taken