Is knowing what death is a comfort?

[Robert Gwin]

In so called ‘deep sleep’, which is never actually experienced, consciousness isn’t conscious of a person sleeping, which is not conscious.
This is a hindsight projection upon sleep of the belief people are conscious.


Liberation from death and the materialist’s paradigm.
However, The Truth is neither a benefit to anyone, nor a condition known about ‘the dead’.
It’s that there isn’t death, which is in accordance with ‘one’s own’ direct experience, right now.


‘Demons’ are directly experienced to the exact same extent ‘deep sleep’ is.


Even better news… consciousness is no longer conscious of the thought, ‘individual’.
But of course, this is presently the case as well.

Hi Phil, I read over your comments a few times sir, and came to the conclusion that you would likely make a great politician. With your many educated words, I completely failed to understand what you were saying, whether you agreed, or disagreed with my comments.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Wrong my friend . I never said MOSES and ELIJAH were ALREADY in heaven . I simply said THEY were present
on that mountain . it was literal . But i sure never said they were already in heaven . Never said that nor even implied it .
Folks didnt get ressurected TILL AFTER JESUS rose from the grave .
But even samuel was at some place and was aroused out of it by a sooth sayer and YEAH he rebuked over that one .
I never once said nor implied they were already in heaven at that time . I only said THEY were thereand it was a literal eveent

I apologize for my misunderstanding Amigo, I agree they were not in heaven either, I simply assumed you did. The point however is still the same, Moses and Elijah were not there, Jesus had not yet paid the price for sin, and God did not resurrect them. In fact the account even goes on to state very clearly it was a vision: Mat 17:9 As they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

 

[-Phil]

Hi Phil, I read over your comments a few times sir, and came to the conclusion that you would likely make a great politician. With your many educated words, I completely failed to understand what you were saying, whether you agreed, or disagreed with my comments.

Thanks. Too earnest for politicking though.
I neither agree nor disagree, and notice in sincerity… it would make no difference wether I did or not.
Ignorance & understanding is the only difference.

To continue to believe there is what there isn’t, is ignorance… the ignore-ance of what is actual & true, in accordance with your own direct experience.

Knowing what death is is like trying to ‘bend the spoon’. That’s impossible.
Instead, realize the truth.
There is no spoon.

Knowing what death is isn’t comfort, believing there is death, and that you know this, is the present situation, isn’t it so?
The very discord you’re seeking to resolve, yes?

Currently, you believe there is death, and that knowing what death is would result in comfort.
The comfort, the end of ignorance & suffering, begins with the change of orientation in your inquiry…
Question why you believe there is death in the first place.
(Because you believe you were born).
Question direct experience, to dispel beliefs.
Therein, Liberation.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You asked if it helps to know about death. To me yes. But just because I say it helps to know about death that doesn’t mean I will ever know for sure. Your question of does it help to know about death is where a lot of my depression comes from…doubt. Doubt because of all the gloom of seeing how quick this life goes and then struggling with what happens here, what happens there? Where all hopes in this which fades so quickly with the fear there is nothing else makes me sad. To me that is why Jesus wept…not because Lazarus slept because He knew Lazarus would be raised again. To me Jesus wept not for Lazarus being dead …but for the pain of those loved ones of Lazarus grieved by the death of Lazarus.
I quoted this from your post.
Somewhere the word says: to be dead is to be face to face with the Lord. So to me
Ecc 9:5 says of the dead: The dead know not any thing.
Could it be “the dead know not any thing” be closer in reference to 1 Corinthians 8:2-3 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. [3] But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

We say “the dead know not any thing” is referring to laying in the casket …
But what if it is more “liken yourselves dead to sin and Alive unto God.”?

Hi Vicky, of course the Bible never contradicts, and Paul's speaking of being present with the Lord, was yet a future event. That is why it is important to use the Bible as a whole maam. Other parts shed light on a subject. Paul, and those he was speaking about would have their part in the first resurrection recorded at Rev 20:6, which would not happen until after Jesus received the crown. We do believe this has happened now though. Those who will be resurrected on the earth have yet to be resurrected, that should start very soon after the Kingdom comes.

Until a person is resurrected, they are sleeping in the grave. I fully agree with you the reason Jesus wept over Lazarus.

 

[amigo de christo]

I apologize for my misunderstanding Amigo, I agree they were not in heaven either, I simply assumed you did. The point however is still the same, Moses and Elijah were not there, Jesus had not yet paid the price for sin, and God did not resurrect them. In fact the account even goes on to state very clearly it was a vision: Mat 17:9 As they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

John was shown the day of the LORD . With GOD nothing is impossible and HIS TIME is not our time .
They were there on the moutain , YET we cannot fully grasp the TIME and ALL THINGS that GOD does in HIS OWN TIME .
Even JESUS told the desciples I SAW SATAN as lightning FALL from heaven .
YET how did satan fall , THEY OVERCAME HIM by the blood the lamb . GODS TIME cannot be fully understood .
But this i do say to you , beware the things the JW camp has taught . While they can speak truths
they have brought also deception as have many others . NO false prophet lies all the time . THEY decieve
because they do know truths and yet they still do not know the TRUTH .
The jw doctrine is off in places and some of those things are deadly dangerous to the soul of those who do beleive .
Just like ROME can speak some truths , and yet SHE Knows not the truth . Just as even mormons can speak truths
and yet know not the truth , so too is the camp of the JW . We need only return to the bible and learn For ourselves .
And ps , anytime one comes along and says , OH the bible cannot be undestoood lest our men guide you ,
I SAY RUN LIKE HELL OUT OF THAT PLACE . OR if they come along and try and invent their own version to suit
their own agenda i say RUN LIKE HELL out of that place . THE KJV bible is good my friend . RUSSELL
just didnt agree with certain parts of the truth , THUS he led many folks right into a lie of another translation
that suited WHAT HE BELIEVED wasTRUTH and not THE TRUTH ITSELF . RUN my friend . RUN from that place
and never look back . I Desire only GOOD for you my friend .

 

[Davy]

Wish there was a category to click on that I read this, at any rate I read it Davy.

There is, there's a link to Skousen's 1958 Soviet strategic points at the end of all my posts.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Thanks. Too earnest for politicking though.
I neither agree nor disagree, and notice in sincerity… it would make no difference wether I did or not.
Ignorance & understanding is the only difference.

To continue to believe there is what there isn’t, is ignorance… the ignore-ance of what is actual & true, in accordance with your own direct experience.

Knowing what death is is like trying to ‘bend the spoon’. That’s impossible.
Instead, realize the truth.
There is no spoon.

Knowing what death is isn’t comfort, believing there is death, and that you know this, is the present situation, isn’t it so?
The very discord you’re seeking to resolve, yes?

Currently, you believe there is death, and that knowing what death is would result in comfort.
The comfort, the end of ignorance & suffering, begins with the change of orientation in your inquiry…
Question why you believe there is death in the first place.
(Because you believe you were born).
Question direct experience, to dispel beliefs.
Therein, Liberation.

Your information indicates that you claim to be Christian sir, therefore you believe in God no doubt. Do you believe the Bible is God's inspired word Phil?

 

[Robert Gwin]

John was shown the day of the LORD . With GOD nothing is impossible and HIS TIME is not our time .
They were there on the moutain , YET we cannot fully grasp the TIME and ALL THINGS that GOD does in HIS OWN TIME .
Even JESUS told the desciples I SAW SATAN as lightning FALL from heaven .
YET how did satan fall , THEY OVERCAME HIM by the blood the lamb . GODS TIME cannot be fully understood .
But this i do say to you , beware the things the JW camp has taught . While they can speak truths
they have brought also deception as have many others . NO false prophet lies all the time . THEY decieve
because they do know truths and yet they still do not know the TRUTH .
The jw doctrine is off in places and some of those things are deadly dangerous to the soul of those who do beleive .
Just like ROME can speak some truths , and yet SHE Knows not the truth . Just as even mormons can speak truths
and yet know not the truth , so too is the camp of the JW . We need only return to the bible and learn For ourselves .
And ps , anytime one comes along and says , OH the bible cannot be undestoood lest our men guide you ,
I SAY RUN LIKE HELL OUT OF THAT PLACE . OR if they come along and try and invent their own version to suit
their own agenda i say RUN LIKE HELL out of that place . THE KJV bible is good my friend . RUSSELL
just didnt agree with certain parts of the truth , THUS he led many folks right into a lie of another translation
that suited WHAT HE BELIEVED wasTRUTH and not THE TRUTH ITSELF . RUN my friend . RUN from that place
and never look back . I Desire only GOOD for you my friend .

John was shown the day of the LORD . With GOD nothing is impossible and HIS TIME is not our time .
They were there on the moutain , YET we cannot fully grasp the TIME and ALL THINGS that GOD does in HIS OWN TIME .
Even JESUS told the desciples I SAW SATAN as lightning FALL from heaven .
YET how did satan fall , THEY OVERCAME HIM by the blood the lamb . GODS TIME cannot be fully understood .
But this i do say to you , beware the things the JW camp has taught . While they can speak truths
they have brought also deception as have many others . NO false prophet lies all the time . THEY decieve
because they do know truths and yet they still do not know the TRUTH .
The jw doctrine is off in places and some of those things are deadly dangerous to the soul of those who do beleive .
Just like ROME can speak some truths , and yet SHE Knows not the truth . Just as even mormons can speak truths
and yet know not the truth , so too is the camp of the JW . We need only return to the bible and learn For ourselves .
And ps , anytime one comes along and says , OH the bible cannot be undestoood lest our men guide you ,
I SAY RUN LIKE HELL OUT OF THAT PLACE . OR if they come along and try and invent their own version to suit
their own agenda i say RUN LIKE HELL out of that place . THE KJV bible is good my friend . RUSSELL
just didnt agree with certain parts of the truth , THUS he led many folks right into a lie of another translation
that suited WHAT HE BELIEVED wasTRUTH and not THE TRUTH ITSELF . RUN my friend . RUN from that place
and never look back . I Desire only GOOD for you my friend .

You keep saying that Amigo, and I asked you to identify the faith, but you have chosen not to so far. So let me ask you again, what is a teaching that we have that you feel nullifies us from being God's people?

 

[Robert Gwin]

There is, there's a link to Skousen's 1958 Soviet strategic points at the end of all my posts.

You misunderstood sir, I wanted you to realize I read it, I could have clicked like which shows you I seen your post, but of course I didn't like it, perhaps they should put an unlike, or read that you can click on to show the poster you saw their comments. Most of the things you post I disagree with, but since I had posted my scriptural evidence there was no need to continue, but I didn't want to appear as rude by no response.

 

[-Phil]

Your information indicates that you claim to be Christian sir, therefore you believe in God no doubt. Do you believe the Bible is God's inspired word Phil?

A belief is a thought, believed to be true.
What’s true about the thought, is that it is as is experienced - a thought.

What’s suggested is inspecting and actually finding out what is absolute, absolutely true… what is not a thought or belief. What is absolute is absolute regardless of any thoughts or beliefs, situations, circumstances, interpretations, doctrines, theories, philosophies, etc.
The ‘clues’ are abundant - infinite. Information for example, the very word says in formation, yet when the thought is believed, it is believed there is not in formation, but, form.


You can feel absolutely free to say whatever you like about me, truly I never mind… but is there anything you’d like to ask about, share, expand upon with respect to what was said and or the conversation? (The other-than personal attacks)

 

[amigo de christo]

You keep saying that Amigo, and I asked you to identify the faith, but you have chosen not to so far. So let me ask you again, what is a teaching that we have that you feel nullifies us from being God's people?

Just cause folks can quoate the gospel dont mean they know or follow Christ .
And if one preaches another jesus it sure dont mean they follow JESUS .
Even mormons can quoate the gospel , but they dont know or follow Christ .
Let us not fall for this inclusive ruse being sold by Rome . IKNOW the JW camp is picking up on it
cause i talk to some in person . DONT go the inclusive road .
We got too many in churches already trying to join all the faiths to be as one under a guise
as welll as all relgions too .

 

[Robert Gwin]

A belief is a thought, believed to be true.
What’s true about the thought, is that it is as is experienced - a thought.

What’s suggested is inspecting and actually finding out what is absolute, absolutely true… what is not a thought or belief. What is absolute is absolute regardless of any thoughts or beliefs, situations, circumstances, interpretations, doctrines, theories, philosophies, etc.
The ‘clues’ are abundant - infinite. Information for example, the very word says in formation, yet when the thought is believed, it is believed there is not in formation, but, form.


You can feel absolutely free to say whatever you like about me, truly I never mind… but is there anything you’d like to ask about, share, expand upon with respect to what was said and or the conversation? (The other-than personal attacks)

You filled this out sir:

-Phil​

Member​

Nov 22, 2022 77 8 8 47 Midwest Faith Christian Country United State

You would be the first "Christian" I have ever spoken to that don't believe in God sir. So if I was wrong in my assumption that you did, then why the heck are you posting here?

 

[-Phil]

You filled this out sir:

-Phil​

Member​

Nov 22, 2022 77 8 8 47 Midwest Faith Christian Country United State

You would be the first "Christian" I have ever spoken to that don't believe in God sir. So if I was wrong in my assumption that you did, then why the heck are you posting here?

When all beliefs are inspected amply & thoroughly, only the truth can remain.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Just cause folks can quoate the gospel dont mean they know or follow Christ .
And if one preaches another jesus it sure dont mean they follow JESUS .
Even mormons can quoate the gospel , but they dont know or follow Christ .
Let us not fall for this inclusive ruse being sold by Rome . IKNOW the JW camp is picking up on it
cause i talk to some in person . DONT go the inclusive road .
We got too many in churches already trying to join all the faiths to be as one under a guise
as welll as all relgions too .

I fully agree with your statement sir, so why not just pull out the Bible and identify the path. I can, are you unable sir. You indicate that as one of Jehovah's witnesses I have chosen the wrong path, and I salute you for your love in encouraging me to flee from it, but in order to do so I must see the why we are in error. What doctrine do we teach do you state is false sir? Please feel free to post it, and I will show you from the Bible why we believe it the way we do.

Although I agree with you about the Mormons, I do respect them fully because they are not hypocritical like most other faiths, they actually live their faith.

 

[amigo de christo]

I fully agree with your statement sir, so why not just pull out the Bible and identify the path. I can, are you unable sir. You indicate that as one of Jehovah's witnesses I have chosen the wrong path, and I salute you for your love in encouraging me to flee from it, but in order to do so I must see the why we are in error. What doctrine do we teach do you state is false sir? Please feel free to post it, and I will show you from the Bible why we believe it the way we do.

Although I agree with you about the Mormons, I do respect them fully because they are not hypocritical like most other faiths, they actually live their faith.

The teaching that only the one hundred and forty four thousand can do the actual communion .
ALL believers ought to do this in remembrance of Him .
That is one .

 

[-Phil]

The comfort is in that death isn’t; I am.

 

[Davy]

You misunderstood sir, I wanted you to realize I read it, I could have clicked like which shows you I seen your post, but of course I didn't like it, perhaps they should put an unlike, or read that you can click on to show the poster you saw their comments. Most of the things you post I disagree with, but since I had posted my scriptural evidence there was no need to continue, but I didn't want to appear as rude by no response

Does not matter, I don't find your reading comprehension very accurate anyway.

 

[amigo de christo]

The comfort is in that death isn’t; I am.

Death isnt I AM. GOD IS LIFE . But that dont mean that folks who reject GOD wont see it .
And if one rejects Christ JESUS whom GOD did send then they reject the Father who sent HIM
and gave testimony of Christ .
Ps , GOD is I AM . We aint I AM . Just a friendly reminder . Let us LEARN BIBLE WELL .

 

[amigo de christo]

I fully agree with your statement sir, so why not just pull out the Bible and identify the path. I can, are you unable sir. You indicate that as one of Jehovah's witnesses I have chosen the wrong path, and I salute you for your love in encouraging me to flee from it, but in order to do so I must see the why we are in error. What doctrine do we teach do you state is false sir? Please feel free to post it, and I will show you from the Bible why we believe it the way we do.

Although I agree with you about the Mormons, I do respect them fully because they are not hypocritical like most other faiths, they actually live their faith.

Buddists are not hyprocrital to their faith . Atheists are not hyprocrital to their faith
dire hard muslims are not hyprocritical to their faith . BUT THEM IS ALL FALSE RELIGOINS and a dead end faith .
No matter how convicted and serious one is to their belief and faith , WONT MATTER if it aint THE FAITH .
The jws are becoming infected with the same party line as have all the other faiths , LETS GET ALONG and FIND COMMON GROUND .
PS , dont expect to see me in that line . IF our unity aint under CHRIST , THEN dont expect me to JOIN IN .

 

[-Phil]

Death isnt I AM

Nor is that what was said.