2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh

[GEN2REV]

Okay, I appreciate what you say about being content with what the Bible teaches. I am also content with what the Bible teaches. And it is only fair that I answer my own question. But before I do, I confess what the Bible actually teaches, that God alone is one. And It also teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God. It doesn't teach, however, how that is possible. After all is said and done, most Christians are happy to leave it there. How the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit can all be God, and yet remain One, most Christians would say, is a mystery. We just don't know how that is possible and the Bible doesn't go into detail about that. And I am fine to leave it there.

Early in the third and fourth centuries, some Christian theologians, well versed in Greek culture and Greek thought, attempted to formulate an answer the question "in what manner can three distinct persons exist as one being." In order to understand what these men were attempting to say, we need to understand what these men were attempting to do. The preoccupation of philosophy (and thus theology) at that time was the study of science. In short, early Christian theologians were searching for a scientific explanation for the nature of God, given the first principles of scientific thought. In other words, they wanted to know "the what" of God. What was he?

In their view, God is a primary substance (ousia) and the essential nature underlying a thing is (hupostasis). Therefore, God is one (ousia) in three (hypostasis) Father, son, and Holy Spirit. As I said, these are scientific concepts seeking to understand the quiddity of God: what he is in himself. These theologians also developed the notion of the "hypostatic union", That Jesus is both man and God in the same person. Jesus has two, rather than one hypostasis: (1) his human nature, and (2) his divine nature. That is the Trinity Doctrine in a nutshell, a brief summary of a much larger discussion.

The Bible isn't so much concerned with the "what" of God, however, as it is concerned with the "who" of God. The Bible spends little time on the question, "what is God" and much more time on answering the question, "who is God?" Nonetheless, the single most important concept revealed in both the Hebrew scriptures and the New Testament scriptures is the fact that God is transcendent over all things he created. There is no God but God. By nature, God is above and outside of creation and therefore cannot be defined in scientific terms and categories. He exists outside of reality. Thus, the second commandment forbids the creation of an idol in the shape of a creature or any other thing, since nothing in this reality can represent him.

The Bible doesn't teach the proposed scientific explanation for the nature of Jesus, i.e. the hypostatic union. The concept of a dual nature is foreign to the Bible, a doctrine which would be strange to Jesus and the apostles. With regard to the "what" of Jesus, the Bible clearly teaches that he is man. We have no Biblical evidence to support the notion of "dual nature", which is absurd on the face of it. With regard to the "who" of God, the Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is the image of God, meaning, if one should experience Jesus in person, then one would be experiencing the Father. It doesn't follow, then, that Jesus must have a transcendent nature along side his human nature. The oneness of God the Father and God the Son doesn't rest in a shared (ousia), it rests in a shared identity.

All I am saying is that the Bible isn't a science textbook, focused on the "what" of God's existence, though it has a few things to say about that. The primary focus of the Bible is on the "who" of God, and especially the qualities of his divine nature. The Bible remains focused on the essential qualities that both the Father and the Son hold in common, which are qualities such as goodness, righteousness, truth, love, justice, mercy, faithfulness, compassion, integrity, and constancy. (committed to his word and his covenants.) The divine nature of Jesus is found in the quality of his character and a life lived in obedience to the Father.

Finally, one can believe the truth about God the Father and God the Son from the Bible without affirming the scientific explanation offered by Christian theologians of the third and fourth centuries. According to Apostles like Paul and John, it is very important for believers to accept the premise that the man Jesus is the Christ. The antichrist, as John says, is the one who denies that Jesus, having come in the flesh, is the Christ. In other words, the antichrist doesn't deny the deity of Jesus; the antichrist denies the humanity of Christ.

Your thread here is not remotely about the trinity doctrine.

It's obvious you would rather discuss the trinity than the fact that the basis of your thread, and your blasphemous video, is completely unbiblical.

 

[GEN2REV]

I am happy to discuss the text at hand.

That being:

2 Peter 3:10 The Big Whoosh​

We shall continue.

Because 2 Peter 3:10 makes plain that the earth will be entirely destroyed immediately upon Christ's return, it is incorrect to draw conclusions from single unsupported passages, anywhere else in Scripture, that appear to say that there will be any amount of time beyond the Last Day, spoken of 12 times in the book of John, and corroborated by 1 Cor. 15:24 and every other end times passage in the Bible.

It's very important for us to have a firm grasp of the Bible before heading out into the world with a message that is completely unsubstantiated by Scripture whatsoever. We are putting the very souls of our brothers and sisters in Christ in great peril when we teach falsehood, not to mention the hell that will rain down upon us by God Almighty for leading the little children astray.

As Christians, we cannot conduct ourselves as the heathen, standing in the spotlight for the sake of our own glory, speaking proud boastful words of feigned knowledge on subjects we truly know nothing about. We should pray diligently in the Spirit before opening our mouths, or making videos, about God's Truth when we really know nothing at all about what we are attempting to convey to the world.

Study up diligently and refrain from any further teaching, preaching or evangelism until an adequate understanding of the Bible is attained. A good 10 more years of private study is a start.

 

[Keraz]

Because 2 Peter 3:10 makes plain that the earth will be entirely destroyed immediately upon Christ's return

But Revelation 19:11-21 and Rev 20 to 22, make it certain that Jesus does NOT destroy everything at His glorious Return.

Your intransigent rejection of good Bible exposition, indicates a fixed belief and a hardened attitude that may leave you in a bad position to keep strong in your faith thru all that must happen.

 

[ewq1938]

Finally, one can believe the truth about God the Father and God the Son from the Bible without affirming the scientific explanation offered by Christian theologians of the third and fourth centuries. According to Apostles like Paul and John, it is very important for believers to accept the premise that the man Jesus is the Christ. The antichrist, as John says, is the one who denies that Jesus, having come in the flesh, is the Christ. In other words, the antichrist doesn't deny the deity of Jesus; the antichrist denies the humanity of Christ.

Do you deny the Trinity?

 

[GEN2REV]

But Revelation 19:11-21 and Rev 20 to 22, make it certain that Jesus does NOT destroy everything at His glorious Return.

Your intransigent rejection of good Bible exposition, indicates a fixed belief and a hardened attitude that may leave you in a bad position to keep strong in your faith thru all that must happen.

Each of your claims are easily dispensed with.

Rev. 19:11-21 simply declares John's symbolic and non-literal visions of Christ Almighty returning with His armies on the Day of Destruction. He describes the wicked gathered against Him to battle and those that have taken the Mark of the Beast being destroyed.

That's HALF of your case dismissed.

Rev. 20-22 is also a symbolic and non-literal vision of John's which consists of a re-telling of 1 Cor. 15:21-27 as well as more detailed descriptions of events that lead up to the final hours of the Last Day.

Nothing there whatsoever that entails any evidence of Christ NOT destroying the earth completely.

Your bluff has been called and you are bust.

Every single end time prophecy, and description, of the events of the Last Day show very clearly that the earth will be utterly destroyed.

"Your intransigent rejection of good Bible exposition, indicates a fixed belief and a hardened attitude that may leave you in a bad position to keep strong in your faith thru all that must happen."

May the LORD have mercy on you in your time of greatest need and I pray your lamp is sufficiently supplied with the priceless fuel that so many will be without.

 

[GEN2REV]

Do you deny the Trinity?

CadyandZoe deny Jesus Christ.

 

[WPM]

CadyandZoe deny Jesus Christ.

Denies that He is Lord (or God).

 

[GEN2REV]

Denies that He is Lord (or God).

Anyone who denies that Jesus is God, denies Jesus as the Christ.

That is Anti-Christ.

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, ..."
1 John 4:3

 

[Truth7t7]

But Revelation 19:11-21 and Rev 20 to 22, make it certain that Jesus does NOT destroy everything at His glorious Return.

Your intransigent rejection of good Bible exposition, indicates a fixed belief and a hardened attitude that may leave you in a bad position to keep strong in your faith thru all that must happen.

Your Claims Are "False And Unscriptural"

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, "Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire", Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[ewq1938]

Your Claims Are "False And Unscriptural"

None of the passages posted show fire killing all of humanity nor do they show the NHNE happening at the second coming. Rev 20 forbids such false and unscriptural theologies.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

The verse says "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God" but you think it says, "taking vengeance on them that know not God with flaming fire"

Jesus comes in a flash of fire/lightning. He does not use fire as a weapon.

 

[WPM]

None of the passages posted show fire killing all of humanity nor do they show the NHNE happening at the second coming. Rev 20 forbids such false and unscriptural theologies.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

The verse says "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God" but you think it says, "taking vengeance on them that know not God with flaming fire"

Jesus comes in a flash of fire/lightning. He does not use fire as a weapon.

Hello! Read it! Don't fight it! He takes "vengeance" on all the wicked and punishes them with "everlasting destruction" from His "presence." This couldn't be clearer to an unindoctrinated mind. Even Houdini couldn't get out of that.

 

[GEN2REV]

Jesus comes in a flash of fire/lightning. He does not use fire as a weapon.

Call it a weapon, or anything you like, but that "brightness of His coming" is what destroys all wickedness, including this fallen and corrupted world.

2 Thes. 2:8

 

[jeffweeder]

None of the passages posted show fire killing all of humanity nor do they show the NHNE happening at the second coming. Rev 20 forbids such false and unscriptural theologies.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

The verse says "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God" but you think it says, "taking vengeance on them that know not God with flaming fire"

Jesus comes in a flash of fire/lightning. He does not use fire as a weapon.

The Lord is coming in judgment, and that judgment is the fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


The NHNE become reality when the old H/E pass away.

Rev 20
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].

Rev 21
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away (vanished),

Lk 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
34 “But be on guard, so that your hearts are not weighed down and depressed with the giddiness of debauchery and the nausea of self-indulgence and the worldly worries of life, and then that day [when the Messiah returns] will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who live on the face of all the earth. 36 But keep alert at all times [be attentive and ready], praying that you may have the strength and ability [to be found worthy and] to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man [at His coming].”


Matt 24
35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.


5 scriptures that forbid your understanding of Rev 20

 

[ewq1938]

The Lord is coming in judgment, and that judgment is the fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Not according to the bible. Christ comes in a flash of fire, killing with a symbolic sword. No fire is used to kill any humans by Christ.

The LOF punishment is after the second coming in both doctrines so you are wrong to associate it with the second coming.

 

[jeffweeder]

Not according to the bible. Christ comes in a flash of fire, killing with a symbolic sword. No fire is used to kill any humans by Christ.

The LOF punishment is after the second coming in both doctrines so you are wrong to associate it with the second coming.

The Lord is coming in judgment, and that judgment is the fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

2Thess 1
5 This is a positive proof of the righteous judgment of God [a sign of His fair verdict], so that you will be considered worthy of His kingdom, for which indeed you are suffering. 6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with distress those who distress you, 7 and to give relief to you who are so distressed and to us as well when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


The NHNE become reality when the old H/E pass away.

Rev 20
11 And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].

Rev 21
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away (vanished),

Lk 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
34 “But be on guard, so that your hearts are not weighed down and depressed with the giddiness of debauchery and the nausea of self-indulgence and the worldly worries of life, and then that day [when the Messiah returns] will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who live on the face of all the earth. 36 But keep alert at all times [be attentive and ready], praying that you may have the strength and ability [to be found worthy and] to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man [at His coming].”


Matt 24
35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.


5 scriptures that forbid your understanding of Rev 20


FIVE.

 

[ewq1938]

The Lord is coming in judgment, and that judgment is the fire that has been prepared for the devil and his angels.

Not according to the bible. Christ comes in a flash of fire, killing with a symbolic sword. No fire is used to kill any humans by Christ.
The LOF punishment is after the second coming in both doctrines so you are wrong to associate it with the second coming.

 

[jeffweeder]

Not according to the bible. Christ comes in a flash of fire, killing with a symbolic sword. No fire is used to kill any humans by Christ.
The LOF punishment is after the second coming in both doctrines so you are wrong to associate it with the second coming.

Lol
What do you mean by both doctrines.
Is not the second death fire?
I have posted scriptural support 5(five) times associating the second coming with the final judgment.

Eyes wide shut.

 

[WPM]

Not according to the bible. Christ comes in a flash of fire, killing with a symbolic sword. No fire is used to kill any humans by Christ.

The LOF punishment is after the second coming in both doctrines so you are wrong to associate it with the second coming.

The Psalmist says, in Psalm 50:3-6, “Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself.”

Psalm 97:3-5 testifies, “A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled. The hills melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.”

Isaiah 11:4-5: “But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.”

This sounds very similar to Revelation 19.

Isaiah 13:9 says, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.”

• What happens to “the land” when He comes?
• What happens to “the sinners” when He comes?

Isaiah 66:15-17: “For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.”

Would you like to be left behind here to deal with this?

Joel 2:1-3 says, “for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.”

Can you see that statement: “Nothing shall escape”?

Joel 2:10-11: “The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?”

This text finishes with a question – a rhetorical question. That means the answer is plain and obvious. No one will survive this glorious climatic event.

Can you see the effect of the Lord’s glorious return? It is going to affect creation and the creature.

Nahum 1:1, 5-6 says, “God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies …The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.”

Again, you can see the link between the earth and human beings. Anything that is not redeemed will be destroyed.

Malachi 4:1 says, “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up.”

 

[Keraz]

The Psalmist says, in Psalm 50:3-6, “Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people. Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself.”

Psalm 97:3-5 testifies, “A fire goeth before him, and burneth up his enemies round about. His lightnings enlightened the world: the earth saw, and trembled. The hills melted like wax at the presence of the LORD, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.”

Isaiah 11:4-5: “But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.”

This sounds very similar to Revelation 19.

Isaiah 13:9 says, “Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.”

• What happens to “the land” when He comes?
• What happens to “the sinners” when He comes?

Isaiah 66:15-17: “For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.”

Would you like to be left behind here to deal with this?

Joel 2:1-3 says, “for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations. A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.”

Can you see that statement: “Nothing shall escape”?

Joel 2:10-11: “The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining: And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?”

This text finishes with a question – a rhetorical question. That means the answer is plain and obvious. No one will survive this glorious climatic event.

Can you see the effect of the Lord’s glorious return? It is going to affect creation and the creature.

Nahum 1:1, 5-6 says, “God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies …The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.”

Again, you can see the link between the earth and human beings. Anything that is not redeemed will be destroyed.

Malachi 4:1 says, “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, and all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up.”

All of those Prophesies refer to the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath: the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.
There is about 10 years from that world changing event until Jesus Returns, THEN He merely disposes of the army of the 'beast', by the Sword of His Word. No fire is involved at that time.

 

[ewq1938]

Lol
What do you mean by both doctrines.

Amill and Premill.

Is not the second death fire?

Sure but it happens after the second coming is over.

I have posted scriptural support 5(five) times associating the second coming with the final judgment.

And none of those 5 support that. The second coming is a separate event than the LOF judgment, in both doctrines.