John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

[Jack]

Yes! God saved us through His only begotten son, our living Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

It reminds me how Joshua, whose name means "Yahweh saved," led Israel from the dessert into the promised land. That must have been some day. But our leaving this earth to meet Jesus in the air and be with him for evermore will be light years beyond that!

You're doing the JW twist! God is our Savior! Nobody else.
Jude 1
25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.

Jesus is God!

 

[Waiting on him]

You're doing the JW twist! God is our Savior! Nobody else.
Jude 1
25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen.

Jesus is God!

It’s truly awesome isn’t it, all the writers had the mind of Christ? He attributed everything to the Father as did they.

 

[Jack]

It’s truly awesome isn’t it, all the writers had the mind of Christ? He attributed everything to the Father as did they.

It is truly awesome that Jesus is God the Creator.
Colossians 1
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

 

[Waiting on him]

It is truly awesome that Jesus is God the Creator.
Colossians 1
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Jesus was born in the first century.

 

[Jack]

Colossians 1:15 KJV
[15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Jesus was born in the first century.

Colossians 1:15 (NIV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

 

[Waiting on him]

Colossians 1:15 (NIV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Ohhhh, I see. I have a few questions
who is the firstborn, and when did men begin to be born of God?

 

[tigger 2]

Colossians 1:15 (NIV)
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

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BGB(i) 15 Ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου,
_______who is image of the God of the invisible,
πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως,
firstborn of all creation

 

[face2face]

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BGB(i) 15 Ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου,
_______who is image of the God of the invisible,
πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως,
firstborn of all creation

Firstborn speaks to New Creation - a Spiritual one in the firstborn from the dead. Jesus had a begining and an end but "now' lives forevermore.

This living forevermore holds no meaning whatsoever is Jesus was already eternal...mute point really. Revelation 1:18

 

[Wrangler]

When you tear the entire chapter of John 1 out of the Bible?

Not at all my friends. I just read chapter 1 from the perspective of his stated purpose of his gospel, which is to prove something ELSE other than what you are using it for.

The mystical dualists like you, don't think there is anything wrong with re-purposing John's words.

 

[face2face]

The mystical dualists like you, don't think there is anything wrong with re-purposing John's words.

Poor John when he finds out what they did to his masterpiece. It's the Genesis of Logos working His (singular) Divine Will in this New Creation as per Colossians 1:16 which is view!

Once you understand the magnitude of God's victory in sin's flesh - a man who obeyed from the heart every command and was willing to die for God's Will and Purpose, highly exalted to the right hand of the Father on High.

There is no greater achievement than God being in His Son reconciling us (and the world) to Himself, that is Christ allowing Him!

The Trinity destroys the wonder of the Gospel

F2F

 

[Jack]

Ohhhh, I see. I have a few questions
who is the firstborn, and when did men begin to be born of God?

The firstborn OVER all creation is Jesus. Define "born of God".

 

[Jack]

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BGB(i) 15 Ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου,
_______who is image of the God of the invisible,
πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως,
firstborn of all creation

I can copy and paste too.

 

[Waiting on him]

The firstborn OVER all creation is Jesus. Define "born of God".

To be born of God would be to receive the breath of life.

 

[BeyondET]

Faith must be based on knowledge....it cannot be blind or its not worth having....

Do have knowledge on what tomorrow may bring what will happen in your life tomorrow? You have zero knowledge of things unseen.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

 

[Jack]

To be born of God would be to receive the breath of life.

That would include everyone living.

 

[Waiting on him]

That would include everyone living.

Then why must one be born again, born of God?

 

[Jack]

Then why must one be born again, born of God?

Is Kingdom Hall getting desperate?

 

[Aunty Jane]

They are grossly inadequate in their evidence against the deity of Christ. Nothing stands against the Bible as a whole. No change of word, or meaning of a word, can hold a candle to the weight of evidence that God has filled His book with. It is a fool's errand to try and prove to the world that Christ is not God.

And those who strive to do so are the fools.

How strange that Jesus wasn’t part of a ‘triune godhead’ until almost 400 years after he died.

The RCC adopted the trinity from pagan concepts.....ones that Israel were forbidden to imitate. (Exodus 20:3)
The Jews NEVER believed in a trinity of ‘gods’ because that is NOT what God’s word teaches.
Deuteronomy 6:4 was the Jewish Shema.....something to be often repeated to remind Israel NOT to adopt pagan concepts. Their God was “ONE”....not three. Multiplicities of gods was never in the Jewish mindset.

The fool’s errand is trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear....

 

[Aunty Jane]

Do have knowledge on what tomorrow may bring what will happen in your life tomorrow? You have zero knowledge of things unseen.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

Its what we have faith in.....the things revealed in God's word....that is what "faith" means....never to blindly accept anything, but to test it all out to see if what we have been led to believe is really is in accord with the word of God.

What Christendom believes is assumed, but not confirmed by the scriptures. You have to pluck verses out of context to make them appear to say something they do not.
We have to be like the ancient Beroens....
Acts 17:10-11...
"Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas to Be·roeʹa. On arriving, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so."

 

[BeyondET]

Its what we have faith in.....the things revealed in God's word....that is what "faith" means....never to blindly accept anything, but to test it all out to see if what we have been led to believe is really is in accord with the word of God.

What Christendom believes is assumed, but not confirmed by the scriptures. You have to pluck verses out of context to make them appear to say something they do not.
We have to be like the ancient Beroens....
Acts 17:10-11...
"Immediately by night the brothers sent both Paul and Silas to Be·roeʹa. On arriving, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·niʹca, for they accepted the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so."

And you just pluck verses yourself to try defend your stance on faith using a verse that describes reading scripture and properly understanding it, which you can't know it all, some of that takes sheer faith without knowing anything.