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Robert Gwin

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Every thing one does unto the Lord is pleasing to him.

As long as it is not sin Learn. You know I once read on a site where they encouraged one to fondle themselves in the name of Christ, can you believe that? I certainly cannot imagine that being pleasing to God, in fact it is a total lack of respect. Keep in mind the lesson of Mat 7:21-23. Why do you think Jesus was displeased with them, especially for what they accomplished in his name sir?
 

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So, you can't reply to anything I posted to you...that's OK.....the scriptures speak for themselves.....are you listening?

Trinitarians be like:
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The "rank and file" as you put it,

John Que and Jane Doe non-anointed JWs-- the hewers of wood and haulers
of water --remain connected to Christ only for as long as they remain
affiliated with the Watchtower Society. When a JW is disfellowshipped or
defects, they lose their connection, become lost souls, and in grave danger
of the Tribulation.

* Non JWs have no connection to Christ because it is only thru the "faithful
and wise servant" that people gain access to God. In other words: the only
defense against the wrath of God is conversion to the JW religion. (so they
say)
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I believe the Bible Wrangler
If you believed the Bible, you'd believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ. I honestly cannot believe that anyone can think Jesus was resurrected but not resurrected bodily. Just how was Thomas satisfied with his resurrection, sir? Was it not that he physically saw and felt the sides and wounds of our Lord?

John 20: Jesus and Thomas
24 Although Thomas the Twin was one of the twelve disciples, he wasn't with the others when Jesus appeared to them. 25 So they told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But Thomas said, “First, I must see the nail scars in his hands and touch them with my finger. I must put my hand where the spear went into his side. I won't believe unless I do this!”

26 A week later the disciples were together again. This time, Thomas was with them. Jesus came in while the doors were still locked and stood in the middle of the group. He greeted his disciples 27 and said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at my hands! Put your hand into my side. Stop doubting and have faith!”

28 Thomas replied, “You are my Lord and my God!”

29 Jesus said, “Thomas, do you have faith because you have seen me? The people who have faith in me without seeing me are the ones who are really blessed!”
 

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If you believed the Bible, you'd believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ. I honestly
cannot believe that anyone can think Jesus was resurrected but not resurrected bodily.
Just how was Thomas satisfied with his resurrection, sir? Was it not that he physically
saw and felt the sides and wounds of our Lord?

This has all been addressed at least once already. Do we really need to keep
rehashing the same old stuff over and over again like stuck records?
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John Que and Jane Doe non-anointed JWs-- the hewers of wood and haulers
of water --remain connected to Christ only for as long as they remain
affiliated with the Watchtower Society. When a JW is disfellowshipped or
defects, they lose their connection, become lost souls, and in grave danger
of the Tribulation.

* Non JWs have no connection to Christ because it is only thru the "faithful
and wise servant" that people gain access to God. In other words: the only
defense against the wrath of God is conversion to the JW religion. (so they
say)
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this is garbage there is nothing in value being j.w as Christians we have to stay connected to the TRUE VINE

IF YOUR FAITH IS IN BEING affiliated with the Watchtower Society. your belief is in vain
 

Webers_Home

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The passage below from the Watchtower Society's bible is deliberately
misquoted. Watch for the revision.

Ps 146:3-4 . . Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling
man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his
ground; in that day he loses awareness.

The actual passage says "his thoughts do perish" which is quite a bit
different than losing awareness.

The Hebrew word for "thoughts" in that passage is 'eshtonah (esh-to naw')
which means thinking. Unfortunately, Ps 146:4 is the only place in the entire Old
Testament where 'eshtonah appears so we can't compare its uses in other contexts.

According to Webster's the word "thinking" is ambiguous with quite a variety
of meanings to choose from; including, but not limited to: concerns,
anticipations, conceptions, opinions, imaginations, visualizations, ideas,
epiphanies, plans, schemes, fantasies, arguments, aspirations, deliberations,
and the like.

For the rich man in Jesus' parable at Luke 12:16-20; I would choose ideas,
plans, and schemes.

"I will say to my soul: Soul, you have many good things laid up for many
years; take your ease, eat, drink, enjoy yourself. But God said to him:
Unreasonable one, this night they are demanding your soul from you. Who,
then, is to have the things you stored up?"

For a contemporary example: consider all those people who perished in the
World Trade Center, and in the Japan and Indonesia tsunamis, and the Haiti
earthquake. None of them woke that day planning on it being their last on
earth. No, on the contrary; they had people to see, places to go, and things
to do: but before the day ended; whatever was on their itinerary lost its
importance-- their priorities went right out the window and became no more
significant than green cheese on the moon.

All their plans, their dreams, their schedules, their appointments, their
schemes, their problems, their ambitions, their loves, and their aspirations
went right down the tubes as they were suddenly confronted with a whole
new reality to cope with.

So then, an alternative to the Watchtower Society's interpretation is that
people don't lose awareness when they die; no, Ps 146:3-4 only means to
say that whatever was on their minds before they passed away is now null
and void.

Take for another example Pop singer Michael Jackson. While working on a
new world tour, Jackson died in his sleep. As a result; his tour wrapped on
the spot.

When my eldest nephew was paroled from prison, he quit drinking, and
began going to college with the goal towards becoming a counselor. For 2½
years all went well. His parole officer was happy, and he was on track and
getting good grades. My nephew's future looked assured. And then on the
morning of Sept 25, 2015, he dropped dead to the floor of natural causes.

My nephew's passing was a terrible disappointment to everybody; but
actually we all kind of expected it. He was grossly overweight, had high
blood pressure, high cholesterol, rarely exercised, and smoked. But the point
is; my nephew's dream ended just as abruptly as flipping a light switch. And
all of our hopes for his success ended the same way, viz: our thoughts
perished right along with his.

Death is the mortal enemy of human ambitions. It often casts its long
shadow when people set about planning their lives. The Scottish poet Robert
Burns noticed that life sometimes throws a curve ball that makes all your
careful preparations strike out instead of getting you on base.

He was working one day plowing in the field and uprooted a mouse's
underground nest who was all set for the oncoming winter. The mouse had
picked a fallow field as the site for its winter retreat thinking it would be safe
and snug; unmolested during the cold. But it didn't (or maybe we should say
it couldn't) know the workings of powers higher than itself-- in this case,
farmers and their machinery.

Mousie, you are not alone in proving foresight may be vain.
The best laid schemes of mice and men go often askew,
And leave us naught but grief and pain for promised joy.
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Drop I realized you haven't researched it..


There's nothing to research mate..:)
We could say that satan and paganism has a hold on JW's by stopping them celebrating the birth of Jesus at Christmas, and stopping them celebrating his Resurrection at Easter..:)
 
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Lets see who really listens to Jesus
Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking - FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality) Matt 6)

How many days of your life has your heart directed you to seek Jehovahs righteousness? All true followers do it 24/7 365.--They do it FIRST. All who obey Jesus do it--Those who arent obeying him=John 3:36--remain in Gods wrath.

Well YOu and I will see when I stand before the Lord, justified by His death and physical resurrectionand the precious blood He spilled to pay my sin debt!
 

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If Christmas was called Satanmas I'd avoid it like the plague..:)
see how good he is at what he does sir? You celebrate easter, still named after the goddess. Let me ask you do you participate in halloween?

Oestre is just a fictitious "goddess" who doesn't exist, yet JW's refuse to celebrate Easter because it resembles her name, therefore JW's are under the control of a non-existent deity who's stopping them celebrating Jesus's resurrection.
Mind you, she's a Kate Bush lookalike and quite a dish but not my type.:)-

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As for Halloween, it's just a bit of harmless fun for kids, yet seems to upset the scaredy-cat JW's..;)
And as for celebrating the birthdays of family and friends, JW's don't even do that either!
 
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We are sent forth to make disciples teaching others to observe all the things Jesus commanded, as well as the rest of the message that God has seen fit to include in His word. We have no say whatsoever in what you do. We are people like everyone else, and of course we observe others disobeying God every day Ron, but although we believe if they continue on their course, they will not inherit life, but that is because the Bible says so, not us. We are not assigned to by your judge, but we do encourage others to serve God while the door is still open Ron. Really we are no different than Noah, who preached among his contemporaries until God shut the door on the ark sir.

You are very much different.

I can testify like Paul did about the Jews:

Romans 10
King James Version

10 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


Superficially you appear as white as snow- but by denying the physical resurrection of Jesus from teh dead- you preach another gospel as Paul said in Galatians 1.
 

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Having the Holy Spirit (a.k.a. the Comforter) alongside is not the same as
having the Holy Spirit inside. I think if you do some research you'll discover
that only anointed JWs have the Spirit inside. In other words; the 144,000
are the JWs who've received the Spirit, whereas the rank and file are merely
associated with the Spirit.
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All can have the holy spirit--The anointed get truths revealed through them that they share at the proper time-Matt 24:45-- It guides all true followers when they pray and ask for it.
 

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Well YOu and I will see when I stand before the Lord, justified by His death and physical resurrectionand the precious blood He spilled to pay my sin debt!


Repent and turn around- gets sin blotted out-Acts 3:19-- so your teachers are very confused on that matter. If Jesus death covered ones sins, there would be no reason they die and pay their own wages of sin, yet even the apostles died and paid their own wages of sin. There is a whole bible. Some will never have to taste death= the remaining little flock gets changed in the twinkling of an eye during the tribulation, and the great crowd will be brought through Armageddon on earth-Prov 2:21-22, Matt 24:22--those will never have to taste death.
 
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So then you have two redeemers! Jesus who is God's redeemer and this Yahweh of Hosts whom you say is not Jesus but is also Yahwehs redeemer.

Confusion due to your failure to grasp agency.

Truman is credited with 'dropping the bomb' but another actually dropped the bomb. How is this explained? Is there some sort of mystical dualism where the 2 Beings are One? No, of course not!

Truman is the commander. He gave another the order to drop the bomb. The other is Truman's agent, acting on his behalf. Same with God, YHWH, who we relate to as Father. He planned for our redemption and Anointed another to do his bidding. This other Being is his servant, his agent, doing the actual work the Commander, the LORD of Heaven's Armies, Jesus' God ordained.

This is how language is used. It's how Biblical authors wrote and how we communicate today. Agency. So simple, even a trinitarian can understand it. :D

Doesn't your Bible repeatedly identify Jesus as servant? Who does he serve? Our Father, God for us.

Jehovah needs no redeemer sir

I think this is semantics. You are right, of course.

No He doesn't! But Jesus is Gods redeemer- sent to mankind to redeem us from our sin! YOu should know that.

Yes, semantics. To say Jesus is God's Redeemer, is not to say Jesus is redeeming God. Rather, it means that Jesus is God's agent, sent to redeem us.

Here in Jerusalem, Herod and Pontius Pilate got together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel. Then they turned against your holy Servant Jesus, your chosen Messiah.
Acts 4:27 CEV
 
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If you believed the Bible, you'd believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ. I honestly cannot believe that anyone can think Jesus was resurrected but not resurrected bodily. Just how was Thomas satisfied with his resurrection, sir? Was it not that he physically saw and felt the sides and wounds of our Lord?

John 20: Jesus and Thomas
24 Although Thomas the Twin was one of the twelve disciples, he wasn't with the others when Jesus appeared to them. 25 So they told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But Thomas said, “First, I must see the nail scars in his hands and touch them with my finger. I must put my hand where the spear went into his side. I won't believe unless I do this!”

26 A week later the disciples were together again. This time, Thomas was with them. Jesus came in while the doors were still locked and stood in the middle of the group. He greeted his disciples 27 and said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and look at my hands! Put your hand into my side. Stop doubting and have faith!”

28 Thomas replied, “You are my Lord and my God!”

29 Jesus said, “Thomas, do you have faith because you have seen me? The people who have faith in me without seeing me are the ones who are really blessed!”

Peter an apostle disagrees with you- 1Pet 3:18--Put to death in the flesh raised a spirit.) But being the son of God obviously can appear in any mortal body he wants. Like the first day was not recognized because he was not in his first body. He appeared behind a locked door-Flesh cannot do that. He showed Thomas his real body. These are the facts of the matter.
 

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Peter an apostle disagrees with you- 1Pet 3:18--Put to death in the flesh raised a spirit.
Scripture does not say what you claim it does. Read the context and another translation.
For the Messiah himself died for sins, once and for all, a righteous person on behalf of unrighteous people, so that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but brought to life by the Spirit;
1 Peter 3:18

The verse is saying that he was brought to life by the will and Spirit of God. The verse is NOT saying that the man became a ghost, living as a Spirit.
 
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