Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Truth7t7]

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WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS

• 
  Matthew: “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom” (24:6, 7).
  
  Mark: “And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled; for such things must needs be, but the end is not yet, For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (13:7, 8).
  
  Luke: “But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by [immediately]. Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (21:9, 10).

We are told that when Jesus gave this prophecy, the Roman Empire was experiencing a general peace within its borders. But Jesus explained to his disciples that they would be hearing of wars, rumors of wars, and commotions. And did they? Yes! within a short time the Empire was filled with strife, insurrection, and wars.

Before the fall of Jerusalem, four Emperors came to violent deaths within the space of 18 months. According to the historian Suetonius (who lived during the latter part of the first century and the beginning of the second), Nero “drove a dagger into his throat.” Galba was run down by horsemen. A soldier cut off his head and “thrusting his thumb into the mouth”, carried the horrid trophy about. Otho “stabbed himself” in the breast. Vitellius was killed by slow torture and then “dragged by a hook into the Tiber.” We can understand that such fate falling on the Emperors would naturally spread distress and insecurity through the Empire.

In the Annals of Tacitus, a Roman who wrote a history which covers the period prior to 70 A. D., we find such expressions as these “Disturbances in Germany”, “commotions in Africa”, “commotions in Thrace”, “insurrections in Gaul”, “intrigues among the Parthians”, “the war in Britain”, “war in Armenia.”

Great Prophecies of the Bible
Ralph Woodrow

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[covenantee]

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Waiting for just one disproof.

Just one.

WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS

• 
  Matthew: “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom” (24:6, 7).
  
  Mark: “And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled; for such things must needs be, but the end is not yet, For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (13:7, 8).
  
  Luke: “But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by [immediately]. Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (21:9, 10).

Among the Jews, the times became turbulent. In Seleucia, 50,000 Jews were killed. There was an uprising against them in Alexandria. In a battle between the Jews and Syrians in Caesarea, 20,000 were killed. During these times, Caligula ordered his statue placed in the temple at Jerusalem. The Jews refused to do this and lived in constant fear that the Emperor’s armies would be sent into Palestine. This fear became so real that some of them did not even bother to till their fields.

Great Prophecies of the Bible
Ralph Woodrow

 

[Truth7t7]

Waiting for just one disproof.

Just one.

WARS AND RUMORS OF WARS

• 
  Matthew: “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom” (24:6, 7).
  
  Mark: “And when ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars, be ye not troubled; for such things must needs be, but the end is not yet, For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (13:7, 8).
  
  Luke: “But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by [immediately]. Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom” (21:9, 10).

Among the Jews, the times became turbulent. In Seleucia, 50,000 Jews were killed. There was an uprising against them in Alexandria. In a battle between the Jews and Syrians in Caesarea, 20,000 were killed. During these times, Caligula ordered his statue placed in the temple at Jerusalem. The Jews refused to do this and lived in constant fear that the Emperor’s armies would be sent into Palestine. This fear became so real that some of them did not even bother to till their fields.

Great Prophecies of the Bible
Ralph Woodrow

Gods inspired words of "Truth", not men's writings in deception

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[covenantee]

Gods inspired words of "Truth", not men's writings in deception

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Fact is, History played no part in fulfillment of Jerusalems Desolation as you claim, The Desolation,, The Great Tribulation, and The Second Coming, are "Future" events unfulfilled

The desolation of Jerusalem and fulfilling of the gentiles is "Future" that will have eye witnesses of the "Future", Desolation, Great Tribulation, and Second Coming Of Jesus Christ In The Heavens

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Waiting for just one disproof.

Just one.

FAMINES, PESTILENCES, EARTHQUAKES

• 
  Matthew: “And there shall be famines and pestilences, and earthquakes in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (24:7, 8).
  
  Mark: “And there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles. These are the beginning of sorrows” (13:8).
  
  Luke: “And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines and pestilences, and fearful sights” (21:11).
  

The Bible records that there was famine “throughout all the world. . . in the days of Claudius Caesar” (Acts 11:28). Judea was especially hard hit by famine. “The disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethern which dwelt in Judaea” (verse 29). Paul’s instructions concerning this “collection [of fruit] for the saints” is recorded in First Corinthians 16:1-5; Rom. 15:25-28.

Great Prophecies of the Bible
Ralph Woodrow

 

[Keraz]

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FAMINES, PESTILENCES, EARTHQUAKES

So when did the sun and the moon give no light and 'stars' fall, as per Matthew 24:29? THEN Jesus will Return.

But before that glorious Return, the sun is prophesied to shine 7 times brighter, Isaiah 30:26, and the moon blood red. Revelation 6:12 the Sixth seal worldwide disaster. Jeremiah 25:33

Your ideas of the fulfilment of the prophesied earthquakes, famines and plagues, are wrong as we still experience those things. We have yet to experience the Prophesied cosmic signs.

 

[The Light]

Here is my timeline and dates for Daniels 70-weeks prophecy.

"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city… Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks …
And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; … he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” (Daniel 9:24-27 NKJV abbrev.)​

As you can see, I have it starting 457 BC date being Artaxerxes' 7th year. However, there have been no small number of differences when it comes to the terminus a quo of Daniels weeks. Some say the first year of Cyrus in 538 BC. Others say Darius (520 BC) Still others, Artaxerxes' 20th year (444 BC)

As if that wasn’t as all over the place enough, the crucifixion of Jesus – the high point of the prophecy – has ranged from AD 29 to AD 33!

We could do without the muddle and, as you can see, the diagram shows exactly 7 + 62 + ½ weeks from the emperor’s decree until the cross. Let’s discuss.

The evidence appears to conclude that Jesus dies on April 3, 33 AD. Why do think He died in 30 AD?

 

[Christian Gedge]

The evidence appears to conclude that Jesus dies on April 3, 33 AD. Why do think He died in 30 AD?

Depends where you are getting your evidence. Let me give you a bit of background to this issue. A couple of centuries ago Bible dates all followed the calculations made by Bishop Ussher (Annals of the World, AD 1658) His date for the crucifixion was AD 33 and commentaries followed his dates without much question. Sir Robert Anderson took it to the next level by creating a make-believe 360-day calendar (The Coming Prince, AD 1895) and his theory was picked up by Cyrus Schofield who spread it far and wide in his Bible notes.

However from the mid 20th century onwards Bible scholars have been questioning the AD33 crucifixion date. Most have come to the conclusion that it was 7 April AD30 and there are very good arguments for that. For example, have a look at the NIV and the ESV study Bibles. They support the early date. So do secular encyclopaedias.

But you asked me what do I think? Fair enough; I have a few papers on it. Would you like me to start a thread on the crucifixion date and I’ll try to step through the various arguments?

 

[The Light]

Depends where you are getting your evidence. Let me give you a bit of background to this issue. A couple of centuries ago Bible dates all followed the calculations made by Bishop Ussher (Annals of the World, AD 1658) His date for the crucifixion was AD 33 and commentaries followed his dates without much question. Sir Robert Anderson took it to the next level by creating a make-believe 360-day calendar (The Coming Prince, AD 1895) and his theory was picked up by Cyrus Schofield who spread it far and wide in his Bible notes.

However from the mid 20th century onwards Bible scholars have been questioning the AD33 crucifixion date. Most have come to the conclusion that it was 7 April AD30 and there are very good arguments for that. For example, have a look at the NIV and the ESV study Bibles. They support the early date. So do secular encyclopaedias.

But you asked me what do I think? Fair enough; I have a few papers on it. Would you like me to start a thread on the crucifixion date and I’ll try to step through the various arguments?

Yes. If you have time start a thread. I think getting all angles is the best approach.

As for Andersons make believe Calendar, if God says three and a half years is 1260 days, I would think that would be something important to pay attention to.

 

[covenantee]

Yes. If you have time start a thread. I think getting all angles is the best approach.

As for Andersons make believe Calendar, if God says three and a half years is 1260 days, I would think that would be something important to pay attention to.

Yes. If you have time start a thread. I think getting all angles is the best approach.

As for Andersons make believe Calendar, if God says three and a half years is 1260 days, I would think that would be something important to pay attention to.

We've already seen that after Hezekiah, the only date for which Anderson used a 360 calendar was his 444/445 derived date.

I'm still waiting to see Jesus' birth date expressed according to a 360 calendar. Anderson used the 365.25 calendar for that, et al.

 

[jeffweeder]

Yes. If you have time start a thread. I think getting all angles is the best approach.

As for Andersons make believe Calendar, if God says three and a half years is 1260 days, I would think that would be something important to pay attention to.

Glad you said Yes.
Ged and God bless.

 

[The Light]

We've already seen that after Hezekiah, the only date for which Anderson used a 360 calendar was his 444/445 derived date.

I'm still waiting to see Jesus' birth date expressed according to a 360 calendar. Anderson used the 365.25 calendar for that, et al.

Ok. Sorry. Show me the prophecy that shows Jesus birth date and I will take care of it.

 

[covenantee]

Ok. Sorry. Show me the prophecy that shows Jesus birth date and I will take care of it.

There is no specific prophecy of which I'm aware that shows Jesus' birth date.

That obviously means that He had no birth date.

 

[Truth7t7]

So when did the sun and the moon give no light and 'stars' fall, as per Matthew 24:29? THEN Jesus will Return.

But before that glorious Return, the sun is prophesied to shine 7 times brighter, Isaiah 30:26, and the moon blood red. Revelation 6:12 the Sixth seal worldwide disaster. Jeremiah 25:33

Your ideas of the fulfilment of the prophesied earthquakes, famines and plagues, are wrong as we still experience those things. We have yet to experience the Prophesied cosmic signs.

Yes many within the eschatology forum are bound by the false teachings found in Preterusm, yes we agree Matthew 24 in Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And the "Second Coming" are all future events unfulfilled

 

[covenantee]

Yes many within the eschatology forum are bound by the false teachings found in Preterusm, yes we agree Matthew 24 in Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, And the "Second Coming" are all future events unfulfilled

You're so utterly obsessed with pp (preterist paranoia), that you're completely unable to recognize and understand the Scriptural and historical realities and lessons which the destruction of Jerusalem represented and represents, which were "written for our learning" (Romans 15:4).

So leave them for those who can recognize and understand and learn from them.

They're not for you.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Yes. If you have time start a thread. I think getting all angles is the best approach.

As for Andersons make believe Calendar, if God says three and a half years is 1260 days, I would think that would be something important to pay attention to.

OK, here is a new thread to deal with the date of Jesus' crucifixion.

 

[Truth7t7]

So leave them for those who can recognize and understand and learn from them.

They're not for you.

Pre-Tribbers, and Millennialst say the same

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, these are "Future" events unfullfilled, and they didn't take place in the false preterist claims in 66-70AD Jerusalem

 

[Randy Kluth]

Pre-Tribbers, and Millennialst say the same

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, these are "Future" events unfullfilled, and they didn't take place in the false preterist claims in 66-70AD Jerusalem

Yes, that's what you believe. Others believe differently. You really need to look at the words, and not just your favorite theology. Nobody can make you believe the AoD happened in the past. But if the AoD was the "people of the ruler to come" in Dan 9, who were to destroy the "city and the sanctuary," then yes--the AoD did happen in the past. I'm not a Preterist, but I do believe that.

 

[covenantee]

Pre-Tribbers, and Millennialst say the same

Matthew 24:15 Daniel's AOD, Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation, these are "Future" events unfullfilled, and they didn't take place in the false preterist claims in 66-70AD Jerusalem

pp

See post 854 for definition.


FAMINES, PESTILENCES, EARTHQUAKES

Matthew: “And there shall be famines and pestilences, and earthquakes in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows” (24:7, 8).

Mark: “And there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles. These are the beginning of sorrows” (13:8).

Luke: “And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines and pestilences, and fearful sights” (21:11).

Historians such as Suetonius and others mention famine during those years. Tacitus speaks of a “Failure in the crops, and a famine consequent thereupon.” Eusebius also mentions famines during this time in Home, Judea, and Greece. Yes, there were famines in those years before the fall of Jerusalem.

Great Prophecies of the Bible
Ralph Woodrow

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, that's what you believe. Others believe differently. You really need to look at the words, and not just your favorite theology. Nobody can make you believe the AoD happened in the past. But if the AoD was the "people of the ruler to come" in Dan 9, who were to destroy the "city and the sanctuary," then yes--the AoD did happen in the past. I'm not a Preterist, but I do believe that.

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[covenantee]

Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and (Final Judgement), as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Why not respond to the mountain of historical Scriptural fulfillment evidence, instead of endlessly regurgitating your same futurist fallacies?