What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God
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amigo de christo
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amigo de christo
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But he aint lying . They sure do this and do this unto their own destruction .
Their main man tried to claim he could understand greek . yeah right he just changed whatever parts of the bible
HE didnt like and he did so unto His own destruction as well as unto the many who have sat under that man for decades .
My advice is we pull out some of these places and fast and start learning the bible FOR ourselves .
RLT63
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I don't see much they can do with that one.
Jack-- did anyone call Jesus "my Lord and my God" before the resurrection? Ever? Beuller? Beuller?
If you make no differentiation between the flesh and the spirit it will never make sense for you.
Jesus is not the Father. Jesus is flesh, human, physical. God, the Father is spirit, divine--- not bound by physical (human) nature
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Wrangler
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You can't answer a question with a question. The question was did anyone call Jesus "my Lord and my God" before the resurrection? It's such a simple question, even a trinitarian can answer it - if one is honest.
For the record, my approach to this question is to recognize it is an exclamation not a statement of fact. For instance, when I drop my toast, butter side down, I am not literally claiming the toast is feces.
In addition, it is merely what someone said, not the narrative. That is, if I am mistaken by someone in the street as being a billionaire is not the same as stating, as a fact, that I am a billionaire. To make more of it than that is so show how desperate and non-existent Scripture supports the dogma.
How do we KNOW Jesus is not God? While God is eternal and unchanging, Jesus died. That Jesus is not God is, therefore, a demonstrable fact.
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Jesus was born a baby.
Jesus lived as a man.
The word of God came to him.
Jesus was filled with the Holy Spirit and anointed (made Christ/Messiah)
Jesus was crucified and Jesus died.
His spirit returned to God.
His body was dead and buried.
On the third day he returned in spirit and that body was raised from the tomb no longer bound by physical (human) constraints and he (the Christ) was seen among men.
He was exalted- glorified and worshipped in spirit and truth.
RLT63
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That's true. People also worshipped him before he was crucified.
RLT63
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Seems like Jesus would have corrected him if he didn't want that statement in something as important as the inspired Holy Scripture. It is God's word isn't it?You can't answer a question with a question. The question was did anyone call Jesus "my Lord and my God" before the resurrection? It's such a simple question, even a trinitarian can answer it - if one is honest.
For the record, my approach to this question is to recognize it is an exclamation not a statement of fact. For instance, when I drop my toast, butter side down, I am not literally claiming the toast is feces.
In addition, it is merely what someone said, not the narrative. That is, if I am mistaken by someone in the street as being a billionaire is not the same as stating, as a fact, that I am a billionaire. To make more of it than that is so show how desperate and non-existent Scripture supports the dogma.
How do we KNOW Jesus is not God? While God is eternal and unchanging, Jesus died. That Jesus is not God is, therefore, a demonstrable fact.
Ronald David Bruno
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Our Savior was sent into the world. He already had that title, he didn't have to earn it.
"...Put your hope in God, for I will praise him, my Savior and my God." Psalm 42:11
"For I, Yahweh, your God, the Holy One of Israel and your Savior ..." Isaiah 43:3
"I am Yahweh and there is NO OTHER SAVIOR." Isaiah 43:11
" ... you will know that I, Yahweh, am your Savior and Redeemer ..." Isaiah 60:16
" ... no Savior exists besides Me". Hosea 14:4
Are we to believe that there is more than one Savior? Jesus said I am He to the Jews who did not recognize Him.
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. Matt. 23:37
He was their God and Savior as He is ours!
Would you assume when someone exclaims “Oh my Lord or My God!” - that they are talking to you? Why do you insist that Thomas must have been addressing Jesus rather than simply praising God?
He had just seen the risen Jesus Christ appear out of thin air among them in a closed room. What was he supposed to say? People confronted with experiences like that fall on their faces. Encounters with the Divine.
You think Jesus became God?
It's your word against Thomas and Peter's Word who knew Jesus personally. What are your credentials?
RLT63
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Keep jumping through those hoops and moving the goalposts What you are describing is taking the Lord's name in vain. I think a disciple would know better
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