I think it is relevant when someone infers that the original gospels were in Hebrew instead of Greek.
attacking another denomination are included in this rule.
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Grailhunter
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"The Holy Name Bible and the HCSB Holman Christian Standard Bible is about three feet to my right."
...kinda started this topic.
Just present the teaching you believe is true, that you believe also exposes heresies, but just don't say it does? For instance, I am posting a thread on exposing Christian predeterminism, by presenting what I have learned it means, and showing Scripture to refute it. I don't mention any names not denominations, which is not necessary. Unless it is someone in the distant past such as Arian, or Alexander the Coppersmith.:)
Exposing false teachings in certain religions is fine. We just can't insult them and try to justify ourselves by their errors. I see unscriptural folks attacking false teachers often. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
He's dropping curses all over the forum. It's time to DeWayne the swamp.... errr.... the forum.
HahahaHe's dropping curses all over the forum. It's time to DeWayne the swamp.... errr.... the forum.
Ronald David Bruno
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Wow this is a long thread. I guess we all have a little pride, prejudiced self righteousness that needs to be knocked down at times.The Bible does give us room to rebuke others, but with a loving hand. Iron sharpens iron.
I was taught to love the sinner, hate the sin. The Apostles spread the Gospel, spent weeks and months with some but all came to a point where they needed to move on and wipe the dirt off their sandals - if the recipients did not receive the message and believe. But here, we all believe, on the Christian only forums, right? So we need to be patient, gentle and come alongside those who have weaker faith, less knowledge. I am guilty of not being more gentle, respectful, considerate and loving. I get prideful and arrogant about certain things and need to take a step back sometimes and realize that God is working on all of us, He knows what we need and where we are going. He is teaching us. It is as if we are all in different grades and classrooms. The Body is a mixed bag of believers, sanctified though, imperfect on the outside but spiritually cleansed. We forget that when someone's flesh gets in the way.
Where do we draw the line on issues? What is considered
dangerous deception? If the Father has us in His hand, nothing and nobody can snatch us away from Him!
Do you believe in Christ? That should be enough ... isn't that what Jesus said? He didn't say you must understand all the doctrines in the Bible too, or else. I know, belief requires knowledge, but how much knowledge? People can believe on a basic, simple level. Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose from the dead on the third day! That's the gospel.
The Holy Spirit convicts us all and so none of us has to worry about any danger if we have faith and persevere.
Jesus is the Author of our faith and so is writing our story and it will all pan out on the end for All who persevere to the end. If you fall away, get deceived and Satan captures you, you were never in the Book of Life to begin with. The Parable of the Sower of Seed tells us who gets into the kingdom and who doesn't. The seed is scattered everywhere, but only takes deep root in fertile soil that has been prepared and watered. Then of course fruit grows and by their fruit you will know them.
It is NOT "by their prophetic viewpoint you will know them" or "by their denomination you will know them". I don't agree with preterism, partial or full. This doesn't mean I think they are in danger of Satan snatching them away; nor do I think if my prophetic view was wrong, would I be snatched away by Satan. God is merciful with our lack of understanding. Our primary purpose in life is to be reconciled to God through Christ. Either He authors our faith or not. He allows us to participate in His plan, but know that He is sovereign.
We can't change people's minds. Only God can lead those following false teachings to his truth.
What we can do is deny a follower of falsehood the opportunity to cast aspirations upon the Gospel of truth we follow. And we do this by countering their falsehood with scripture. And I its proper application and context as applies to whatever topic discussed.
We should know not everyone we encounter who promotes false teachings are actually following what they claim to believe.
There are some of the world who enjoy plaguing Christians. And one way they can do this is to pretend to believe and promote falsehood.
Everybody needs a hobby. For some, that's it.
What we can do is deny a follower of falsehood the opportunity to cast aspirations upon the Gospel of truth we follow. And we do this by countering their falsehood with scripture. And I its proper application and context as applies to whatever topic discussed.
We should know not everyone we encounter who promotes false teachings are actually following what they claim to believe.
There are some of the world who enjoy plaguing Christians. And one way they can do this is to pretend to believe and promote falsehood.
Everybody needs a hobby. For some, that's it.
The Protestant reformers were unanimous in their speaking of truth regarding the office of the papacy. They didn't condemn individual leaders except as they may have behaved themselves abominably, nor the church members, but the seat of power and authority upon which the Pope sat. The system. When they called the system antichrist, they were exposing the papal system as replacing Christ, exposing the system as being set up to be over and above the truths of Scripture.
Prophecy informs us of a time in the near future when an image to the medieval papal union of church and state wool be erected in our time. This isn't a statue. It's another church state union that imposes religious law, and exacts harsh penalties against those enjoy refuse. In other words, it persecutes also just as the papacy did not that long ago, and enforces a mark or sign of loyalty to that papal system on her behalf. That's basically Revelation 13 in a nutshell.
Now. Of course some will, maybe many, will likely disagree with that prophetic picture. As you can see, if true, many millions of spiritual lives would be endangered. Ought we not talk about these things? This is prophecy. One cannot talk about a metaphorical beast with a dozen or so unique identifying markers without actually naming the institution that shares those criteria. And that's just the first beast.
While it is true that Adventists are at the forefront of warning against this scenario, we do have a long line of highly respected and learned men who went before us who agree on every whit our view. In fact it was their view, and we are merely continuing the conversation. Those reformers, many of them anyway, died because of that very testimony. They weren't doing so because of a fit of resentment or bad temper. They recognised that the papal system is not biblical, that tradition has overwhelmed biblical truth, and has swept Jesus aside by a morass of superstition and false doctrine. Jesus, Paul, John, warned this would happen. It has. Of we don't speak out, we will be found guilty in the judgement of siding with the enemy. And others who were deceived, even some on this forum, will be asking of us,"You knew!! Why did you not warn us!!???"
Open and frank discussion of all these matters is essential for the true everlasting gospel to be preached in all the world.
“6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. ”
Revelation 14:6-12 KJV
Prophecy informs us of a time in the near future when an image to the medieval papal union of church and state wool be erected in our time. This isn't a statue. It's another church state union that imposes religious law, and exacts harsh penalties against those enjoy refuse. In other words, it persecutes also just as the papacy did not that long ago, and enforces a mark or sign of loyalty to that papal system on her behalf. That's basically Revelation 13 in a nutshell.
Now. Of course some will, maybe many, will likely disagree with that prophetic picture. As you can see, if true, many millions of spiritual lives would be endangered. Ought we not talk about these things? This is prophecy. One cannot talk about a metaphorical beast with a dozen or so unique identifying markers without actually naming the institution that shares those criteria. And that's just the first beast.
While it is true that Adventists are at the forefront of warning against this scenario, we do have a long line of highly respected and learned men who went before us who agree on every whit our view. In fact it was their view, and we are merely continuing the conversation. Those reformers, many of them anyway, died because of that very testimony. They weren't doing so because of a fit of resentment or bad temper. They recognised that the papal system is not biblical, that tradition has overwhelmed biblical truth, and has swept Jesus aside by a morass of superstition and false doctrine. Jesus, Paul, John, warned this would happen. It has. Of we don't speak out, we will be found guilty in the judgement of siding with the enemy. And others who were deceived, even some on this forum, will be asking of us,"You knew!! Why did you not warn us!!???"
Open and frank discussion of all these matters is essential for the true everlasting gospel to be preached in all the world.
“6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, 7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. 9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. ”
Revelation 14:6-12 KJV
Just a few days ago while on tour to bring about global unity between all religions, including all major non Christian religions under ecumenism, the Pope said, and I paraphrase, "all religions are equal in importance. No one religion is truth, and another not true. All religions lead to God. If we say our religion is true, and yours is not, where will that lead us?"
The Vatican's goal to unite all the world's religions into one body is one of the greatest deceptions in human history. All of those religious leaders, without exception, recognise the Vatican, the Pope, as the default over all ruler of spiritual humanity. When they agree to principles and agendas that unite governments with the church, you have Babylon. It wasn't so long ago that the Pope denounced any attempt to convert a member of one religion to another. This was a blatant attempt to stop protestant evangelism. I'm not talking about ancient history here, these things are taking place now, "all the world is wondering after the beast"... today as we speak.
The Pope went on to say, "God is a God for all. And if God is a God for all, we are all sons and daughters of God. Our religions are like different languages. Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, Christian, but all lead to the one God".
In other words, he is placing Christianity, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, on the same level as all other religions which he claims are equally valid pathways to God, including Gaia, pagan worship of nature.
If we are not to talk about these things,
In talking about the last days, Jesus said
“9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. ”
Matthew 24:9-10 KJV
Do you understand why the nations will hate you? Why they will persecute you and be offended? Because we speak the truth. Because we name the name of Jesus as being the only way to salvation. We talk about the true gospel and expose the false. We rebuke the false prophets among us, and expose their lies and their deceptions.
Jesus is coming soon. We are living in the very last momentous days of earth's history. Shall we pander to political correctness and the fear of offending people with the truth, and agree to the antichrist agenda to not preach the true gospel, not declare Babylon as fallen, not identify the true Antichrist that is demeaning and diminishing the true Christ?
The Vatican's goal to unite all the world's religions into one body is one of the greatest deceptions in human history. All of those religious leaders, without exception, recognise the Vatican, the Pope, as the default over all ruler of spiritual humanity. When they agree to principles and agendas that unite governments with the church, you have Babylon. It wasn't so long ago that the Pope denounced any attempt to convert a member of one religion to another. This was a blatant attempt to stop protestant evangelism. I'm not talking about ancient history here, these things are taking place now, "all the world is wondering after the beast"... today as we speak.
The Pope went on to say, "God is a God for all. And if God is a God for all, we are all sons and daughters of God. Our religions are like different languages. Muslim, Sikh, Hindu, Christian, but all lead to the one God".
In other words, he is placing Christianity, the Way, the Truth, and the Life, on the same level as all other religions which he claims are equally valid pathways to God, including Gaia, pagan worship of nature.
If we are not to talk about these things,
In talking about the last days, Jesus said
“9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. ”
Matthew 24:9-10 KJV
Do you understand why the nations will hate you? Why they will persecute you and be offended? Because we speak the truth. Because we name the name of Jesus as being the only way to salvation. We talk about the true gospel and expose the false. We rebuke the false prophets among us, and expose their lies and their deceptions.
Jesus is coming soon. We are living in the very last momentous days of earth's history. Shall we pander to political correctness and the fear of offending people with the truth, and agree to the antichrist agenda to not preach the true gospel, not declare Babylon as fallen, not identify the true Antichrist that is demeaning and diminishing the true Christ?
amigo de christo
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Seen that . This is that which is of anti christ that i have been warning about my friend .
But the pope is not alone in this working . Its moving in huge amongst even the protestant realm .
As i have been warning they are merging all to be as one . Under another version of what they claim is GOD and is HIS LOVE .
That which is of anti christ , which John even wrote and warned the church was in the world , Its grown massive now .
About seven years ago i heard two big sayings moving amonst them .
What was the phrase they used brakelite . Healing the WOUND . DO that phrase sound familiar .
Pope francis and others were using that phrase . Healing the Wound .
And as the protestant realm was saying it , guess what else they were saying as they were looking for miracles , signs and wonders .
FIRE FROM HEAVEN . DOES that phrase also sound familiar . if not
WHOSE DEADLY WOUND was healed , THAT OUTTA be a reminder . And He sent fire down from heaven
He decieved them by the means of the miracles .
Ever get the feeling , AND ITS MORE THAN A FEELING , that we are watching a massive strong delusion
that has been sent to unify the tribes and religoins and peoples of earth to BE AS ONE
And IT AINT UNDER GOD EITHER .
Ronald David Bruno
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Jesus is the truth, religions that seek after Him are not entirely absolute truth. Otherwise, all Christians would be in agreement. Let's just say religion is man's way of seeking, worshipping, relating to God. Christianity is God's way of seeking a relationship with man.
So let's dissect the statement, "all religions are of equal importance". To the individual, not God. He is just saying that man seeks God on many paths. It is just a general observation. And we finds truths in many religions. God's truth has permeated the world and so what is good and just became part of false religions. This is partially what keeps them blinded to Jesus, they cling to certain truths.
Tom Hoopes', (of Benedictine College) explanation:
"Pope Francis delights people worldwide, as we saw in his recent visit to East Asia and Oceania.
He also drives people crazy worldwide, and we saw that, too, for instance when he said: “All religions are paths to God. I will use an analogy, they are like different languages that express the divine.”
This alarmed many Catholics who believe, with the Catechism, that, “All salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body.” They worried that the Pope himself was saying otherwise. He’s not.
There are three simple steps Catholics can take when they are troubled by what the Pope said.
First: Double check the Catechism.
Often, the “troubling” things Pope Francis says are just paraphrases of the Catechism.
What I quoted above about salvation is from No. 846 of the Catechism. What comes right before it and right after it are also important.
Right before it, the Church teaches about truth in other faiths, and says about Muslims: “together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”
Right after it, the Catechism teaches that “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience — those too may achieve eternal salvation.”
Of course Jesus is the only way. So was he spreading the gospel at that moment, no.
God draws man to Himself. His sheep will hear His voice. The Pope knows this, so he doesn't try to force feed anyone with an abrupt statement like: "Jesus is the only way ... following any other path is a dead end, empty and will lead you to destruction ... so just everyone in the world, stop what you are doing, turn from the path you are on and seek Jesus!"
You think that approach would work? No.
God converts the soul. Jesus is the Author and so people who have their door open to Christ, He will come in and sup them them.
I am not a Catholic. But I do know that the Catholic Church carries the gospel since their beginnings, imperfectly (as we all do).
Love is the way into the heart. Missionaries go out to those in need, help them, love them and then give them the gospel. Love has to come first, for God is Love. You prove that you love them by caring for them first, not just by words. That has been their method. Missions, hospitals, orphanages speak volumes.
A Tribe needs water, they go and dig wells, whatever they need, care and then share.
What do you do to love unbelievers?
Marvelloustime
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ThePuffyBlob
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I'm still young but already forgetful. I'm not sure if I've already replied to this, but I now understand that while Christians may be divided, the saints are not.
John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
These verses represent my understanding of what to do. But, I'm not good at explaining things, so I hope you ask God to help you understand me. Because people often misunderstand me.
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