Who can give an answer?

[face2face]

I didn't think Jesus needed any encouragement to do what he intended to do, not that he wouldn't have appreciated it.

It's possible you dont know the Christ...I'm guessing its a false doctrine driving this comment.

 

[face2face]

He was taken up spiritually while physically alive, not resurrected, but represents this future event.

Impossible...you should know why!

 

[amigo de christo]

Because these two will be the same two prophets who will preach during the reign of the Antichrist for 1260 days (Revelation 11). But he will have them killed, thinking that he got rid of two nuisances. But they will be resurrected and raptured to Heaven.

For it is appointed unto to men to die ONCE . The two witnesses are actually KILLED .
Moses already died once soon after he saw the promised land at a distance . We dont die then come back and then die again .
Even when it says Elijah , it simply means that same spirit that was on elijah . It was not like JOHN was ELIJAH reborn .
ITs in the SPIRIT OF elijah . YET its the HOLY SPIRIT that was on elijah . Just as Moses wont die again .
It might have been considered , BUT it clearly says THE two witnesses will be KILLED . SO that rules out MOSES
We dont die twice . ITs only appointed unto men to die once then cometh the Judgment .
I Honestly have no idea who the two witnesses will be . BUT THERE WILL BE TWO WITNESSES
the two golden candlesticks might be a hint . Who are these two golden candelsticks which empty themselves .......
THE TWO ANNOINTED ONES . IT MIGHT be them . BUt who they are , I have no idea . BUT woe to the world
through the plagues they will bring down . That i can say . WHOEVER they are , THEY GONNA reign down plagues and etc
and be in sack cloth and ash . A message of REPENTANCE as we see sack cloth and ash was often assoicated with that
AS well as with suffering .

 

[Bob Estey]

It's possible you dont know the Christ...I'm guessing its a false doctrine driving this comment.

No, I think from the beginning, Jesus intended to do what he did.

 

[face2face]

No, I think from the beginning, Jesus intended to do what he did.

There it is!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Impossible...you should know why!

 

[Enoch111]

It might have been considered , BUT it clearly says THE two witnesses will be KILLED . SO that rules out MOSES
We dont die twice .

God can make exceptions to every rule. Why? Because with God nothing is impossible! Did you notice the kinds of miracles performed in Revelation 11? Half of them correspond to what Moses did when he was in Egypt, and half of them correspond to what Elijah did during the reign of Ahab.

 

[face2face]

God can make exceptions to every rule. Why? Because with God nothing is impossible! Did you notice the kinds of miracles performed in Revelation 11? Half of them correspond to what Moses did when he was in Egypt, and half of them correspond to what Elijah did during the reign of Ahab.

Na...Revelation 11 is speaking about two witnesses who stood against false Christianity. Can't go into now. Needless to say Moses and Elijah have nothing to do with Rev 11.

 

[Earburner]

I did not say that. But you must realize that the Holy Spirit came upon the Prophets, spoke through them, performed miracles through them. How else would the Word of God be written exactly, word for word as God instructed? The Holy Spirit dwelled in the Temple, but is omnipresent.
Time is a part of our physical dimension. So Christ's sacrifice was imputed to Old Testamnet saints, outside of time. We live in a tension between the ready and not yet. I don't know for sure; but people have been allowed to visit heaven and so evidently their visit was extended. Maybe this is why Elijah must come back and die - Enich too?

I must say that you have a lot of regurgitated speculation of denominational religious teaching going on.
Let's be real here, none of the patriarchs and prophets were "brain surgeons" about how our conscious and subconscious minds worked.
To them, they thought it was "a spirit" in man that created our thoughts. So in essence, man does not have "a spirit", but rather a larger capacity of intelligence, generated by our physical brain, of which all do know today, that it requires oxygenated blood to become conscious, and also to remain conscious. Truthful thinking as this, doesn't undermine Christian thinking, but rather enhances it for better and more truthful discussions on all biblical topics.

Secondly, no one was ever given by God a soul, or for that matter a spirit. There is nothing within our natural selves, that gives us eternal existence of any kind. Adam "became a living soul", he didn't get one.
The actual Hebrew word for "soul" in Genesis is "nephesh", which means "animal life".

On page #2, I presented the truthful and scriptural answer to the topic of this thread. No doubt, it shall scare the denominational religionists to pieces, because the truth of it doesn't fit in with their "spoon-fed" religious narrative. So the best thing that they can do, in order to keep their doctrines of men, is to ignore it. And so far, they have.

As for Enoch, Elijah or Moses, Jesus said the truth about their whereabouts:
John.3[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

 

[face2face]

God can make exceptions to every rule. Why? Because with God nothing is impossible! Did you notice the kinds of miracles performed in Revelation 11? Half of them correspond to what Moses did when he was in Egypt, and half of them correspond to what Elijah did during the reign of Ahab.

He can't lie - impossible ;)

 

[lightlysalted]

Revelation uses symbolic imagery to speak of literal events, most of which has taken place, though from Revelation 16:15 on-wards, these events are yet to take place. The book is historical, not futurist. It was given by the Lord initially to the Seven Churches then to those true believers over the past 2000 years who required encouragement and a vision to keep their faith strong. I'm reticent to get into the Revelation because it's very complex and requires a lot of time to unpack the imagery. Look at how much work it takes just to show an understanding of the work of Elijah and that's plainly stated.

Revelation 16 is our Olivet Prophecy!

There is no new thing under the sun,
Hugs

 

[amigo de christo]

God can make exceptions to every rule. Why? Because with God nothing is impossible! Did you notice the kinds of miracles performed in Revelation 11? Half of them correspond to what Moses did when he was in Egypt, and half of them correspond to what Elijah did during the reign of Ahab.

GOD can CONTRADICT HIMSELF . RIGHT .
We cant pick and choose my friend . THE moment we do we are in trouble .
IF GOD can make exceptoins to HIS OWN WORD , then that means HIS OWN WORD . The next thing folks will buy is
GOD can make an exuse for homosexuality or whatever else . NOPE . WE STAYED GLUED IN THE BIBLE or prepare to fall IS ALL I CAN SAY .
NOW i never tried to make the claim I KNEW WHO they were . NOT that HIGH MINDED . NOT One scholar KNOWS WHO IT WILL BE .
THE only thing i know is , GOD DONT CONTRADICT HIS OWN WORD > EITHER we believe the bible or believe MEN . YOUR CHOICE My friend .
BUT I advise you to TRUST ONLY IN THE TRUTH IN SAID BIBLE . AND NO EXCEPTOINS no matter IF OUR BELOVED SCHOLARS
try and make one . I Aint doing it . I hope you dont either . I Noticed you could not disprove me through scrips
and then HAD to say WELL GOD makes exceptions . EVEN YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THAT . TRUST NOT IN SCHOLARS , TRUST IN GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

He can't lie - impossible ;)

VERY GOOD MY FRIEND . VERY GOOD . That is what we have to STICK TOO . OR else we will pick and choose
and that is no good place to be in .

 

[amigo de christo]

He can't lie - impossible ;)

The truth is most folks are gonna trust in men , they gonna trust in what their beloved pastor teaches .
BUT i say , TRUST IN WHAT IS ALREADY WRITTEN IN that bible . CAUSE I KNOW WHO INSPIRED IT and HE CANNOT LIE
HE cannot contradict HIS OWN TRUTH . I am hopeful that enoch will quickly see his error .

 

[amigo de christo]

He can't lie - impossible ;)

IMPOSSIBLE . Exactly . If we cannot simply as children trust in what is already written and inspired by GOD
we are in dire trouble . cause error will only beget MORE ERROR .
Yall is looking at what this world , what the CC and what most all of the protestant realm itself would call a FUNDIE .
HOLD NOT thy breath waiting for me to conform to THEM .
I Tried to do all i could to warn folks to return to bibles for themselves . BUt many folks , THOUGH they can even CLAIM
the bible as inspired by GOD , WOULD RATHER sit under men . NOT this lamb . IF any man contradicts what is written
I will do all to correct that man , BUT I REFUSE TO CONFORM to those ways .
I am so hopeful in the LORD that i see persecution , suffering , being hated , mocked , tortured and even killed
AS ONLY GAIN FOR JESUS . PEROID . As in END OF DICUSSION . I HAVE NO HOPE in this world
The only HOPE I have IS IN JESUS and so i say , EVEN SO COME LORD JESUS . ITS THE NEW heavens and new earth
I LOOK forward too and the saving of souls i look foreward too . AND exhortation for the good of the church .
I have zero hope or trust in men , in govts , in the right or the left . MY HOPE IS IN JESUS , IT IS JESUS .
EVEN SO COME LORD JESUS cause that is where my desires and heart belong . NOW LIFT THOSE HANDS EVERYONE
and let the LORD be praised . I only thought it right and proper to let everyone on the site know , THIS FUNDIE aint CHANGING
PEROID . GOD is my GOD , THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS MY CHRIST and THE BIBLE IS MY BOOK and the SPIRIT MY GUIDE .
ALL else will be tested against THAT .

 

[face2face]

God can make exceptions to every rule. Why? Because with God nothing is impossible! Did you notice the kinds of miracles performed in Revelation 11? Half of them correspond to what Moses did when he was in Egypt, and half of them correspond to what Elijah did during the reign of Ahab.

As it was for Jane and the JW's...when you hold a false doctrine the truth can never be discovered - impossible! That is why the Apostle Paul said to prove all things! He knew how easy it is to fall into error.

 

[face2face]

As for Enoch, Elijah or Moses, Jesus said the truth about their whereabouts:
John.3[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

For @Phoneman777
You are yet to provide an answer to how these men were made immortal without forgiveness of sins and the sacrifice of Jesus? Now you need to explain where did they go if not in Heaven?
If you hold error it's impossible to see what is true.
Moses and Elijah were raised for this special work of strengthening Christ and to this day they await the resurrection. Not yet perfected because of you as per Hebrews 11:39 Hebrews 11:40.

 

[face2face]

No, I think from the beginning, Jesus intended to do what he did.

When a person doesn't exist its impossible for them to think!

 

[Earburner]

For @Phoneman777
You are yet to provide an answer to how these men were made immortal without forgiveness of sins and the sacrifice of Jesus? Now you need to explain where did they go if not in Heaven?
If you hold error it's impossible to see what is true.
Moses and Elijah were raised for this special work of strengthening Christ and to this day they await the resurrection. Not yet perfected because of you as per Hebrews 11:39 Hebrews 11:40.

Since you used my post to respond to "phoneman", and then said:
"Moses and Elijah were raised for this special work of strengthening Christ and to this day they await the resurrection", I suggest that you HEAR the words of Jesus, and not your own speculation of understanding.
This thread is getting more and more wild by the minute. Let Jesus be the "guide", and not the doctrines of men by "church-ianity".
I repost again:
As for Enoch, Elijah or Moses, Jesus said the truth about their whereabouts:
John.3[13] And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
BTW, in the KJV-OT scriptures, the word "paradise" is not found.

Moses and Elijah, and whoever else was of faith in Messiah to come, of the OT., NEVER were able or allowed to receive the permanency of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The only place that any of them were ever of anything, was just a name written in God's "book of Remembrance" in Malachi 3:16. None of them (though dead) received "the Promise" until Pentecost.
All of such are shown in Revelation 6:9-11 as being figuratively "under the altar", being given "white robes", aka the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

By the way, the word "altar" is in reference to Malachi 3:16. Altars were erected by men, for places, people and/or events that were to be remembered.

 

[Earburner]

VERY GOOD MY FRIEND . VERY GOOD . That is what we have to STICK TOO . OR else we will pick and choose
and that is no good place to be in .

Yes indeed, that is good! But the word was made flesh, and through His resurrection, by faith we are freely given His Holy Spirit, aka the Mind of Christ.

Therefore, to have God's literal words, and not allow the mind of Christ within us to interpret His words is NO GOOD! Isaiah 55:8-9, Zechariah 4:6, John 16:13.
If we DO NOT apply His concept and/or methodology, we are no better off than the scholarly, denominational Bible Colleges, aka "the wisdom of men". 1 Corinthians 2:5.