Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

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Ronald Nolette

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Not likely and even ridiculous.
The end times agreement referred to in Daniel 9:27, is a treaty of peaceful relations, between the leader of the One World Govt, Daniel 7:23, Revelation 17:12-13, who will come to the peoples by then; gathered from out of the nations, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35, and living in all of the holy Land. He will come to them because they will have just recently destroyed a huge army that came to attack them from the North. Ezekiel 37 & 38

That leader of the OWG, will break the treaty when his body is taken over by Satan, Revelation 13:1-8
The first half of that 7 year treaty will be peaceful, that is why it isn't mentioned in Prophecy, but the second half is, in 3 formats: 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days. Those times all fit with a 360 day year, which it will be after the Sixth Seal. Isaiah 13:13
Then Jesus will Return and chain up Satan for the next thousand years. All as clearly described and logically set out.


You make a common mistake man of our dispy brethren do.

1. The antichrist is not the head of teh one world govt. His rule eventually becomes a one world govt. but the one world goivt happens before the antichrist becomes a global ruler.

He arises out of the ten kings that arise out of the one world govt. This can mean one of two things- Either the OWG is overseen by ten "kings" or the OWG fails and the ten kings take over from there. We will have to wait to see for sure.

If the antichrist is a one world leader- why do you have him just going to Israel??? Israel is not the world!

The first half of Daniels 70 weeks is marked by most of the trumpet judgments. This is not a peaceful time.

And no- the antichrist will not come after Russia and her allies invade Israel. This has to happen at least 3 1/2 years before the start of the tribulation. How do we know? Israel gathers the weapons of war for fuel to burn for 7 years! In the middle of the tribulation the inhabitants have to flee for their lives as jesus warened in Matt. 24 and is also spoken of in Rev. 12 You are not going to be gathering fuel when you have to flee for your very lives!
 

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The antichrist is not the head of teh one world govt. His rule eventually becomes a one world govt. but the one world goivt happens before the antichrist becomes a global ruler.
Daniel 7:23-25 and Revelation 13 speak of one powerful and charismatic man, who will take over sole control of the OWG from the 10 Presidents who were originally appointed.
If the antichrist is a one world leader- why do you have him just going to Israel??? Israel is not the world!
We don't know where the AC will rule from, but he will come to the new nation of Beulah, then living in all of the holy Land and negotiate a 7 year peace treaty with them. Isaiah 28:14-15 refers to it.

And no- the antichrist will not come after Russia and her allies invade Israel. This has to happen at least 3 1/2 years before the start of the tribulation.
The Gog/Magog attack on the Christian peoples living unprotected by military defences, will happen about 10+ years before Jesus Returns.
The Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls will start exactly 1260 days before Jesus Returns.

All the plainly stated Prophesies make a coherent and logical sequence. To shuffle them around is just confusion.
 

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The Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls will start exactly 1260 days before Jesus Returns.

All the plainly stated Prophesies make a coherent and logical sequence. To shuffle them around is just confusion.

So at some point in the future you will know the day of the Lords coming?
That sounds a little incoherent , illogical and confusing.

Matt 24
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42 “So be alert [give strict attention, be cautious and active in faith], for you do not know which day [whether near or far] your Lord is coming. 43 But understand this: If the head of the house had known what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore, you [who follow Me] must also be ready; because the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his master has put in charge of his household to give the others [in the house] their food and supplies at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that [faithful] servant when his master returns and finds him doing so. 47 I assure you and most solemnly say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that servant is evil and says in his heart, ‘My master is taking his time [he will not return for a long while],’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware, 51 and will cut him in two and put him with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger].
 

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So at some point in the future you will know the day of the Lords coming?
That sounds a little incoherent , illogical and confusing.

Matt 24
Be Ready for His Coming
42 “So be alert [give strict attention, be cautious and active in faith], for you do not know which day [whether near or far] your Lord is coming. 43 But understand this: If the head of the house had known what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore, you [who follow Me] must also be ready; because the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not expect Him.

45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant whom his master has put in charge of his household to give the others [in the house] their food and supplies at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that [faithful] servant when his master returns and finds him doing so. 47 I assure you and most solemnly say to you that he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that servant is evil and says in his heart, ‘My master is taking his time [he will not return for a long while],’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards; 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour of which he is not aware, 51 and will cut him in two and put him with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping [over sorrow and pain] and grinding of teeth [over distress and anger].
The forthcoming worldwide disaster of a similar magnitude as Noah's flood, will be the event which comes unexpectedly; as a thief.
The glorious Return will come much later; exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated. It will be the time of Great Tribulation, the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.
Proved by Revelation 12:14, when the faithful peoples are kept safe for that time.

Thinking that Jesus comes to reign over a destroyed world, is what is illogical and confusing.
 

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The forthcoming worldwide disaster of a similar magnitude as Noah's flood, will be the event which comes unexpectedly; as a thief.
The glorious Return will come much later; exactly 1260 days after the Temple is desecrated. It will be the time of Great Tribulation, the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.
Proved by Revelation 12:14, when the faithful peoples are kept safe for that time.

Thinking that Jesus comes to reign over a destroyed world, is what is illogical and confusing.

The coming event is worse than the flood in Noahs day as the Heavens pass away also. In both cases only the elect survive this GT...,


Matt 24
21 For at that time there will be a great tribulation (pressure, distress, oppression), such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will [again]. 22 And if those days [of tribulation] had not been cut short, no human life would be saved; but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened. 23 Then if anyone says to you [during the great tribulation], ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and they will provide great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones). 25 Listen carefully, I have told you in advance.


29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not provide its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And at that time the sign of the Son of Man [coming in His glory] will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth [and especially Israel] will mourn [regretting their rebellion and rejection of the Messiah], and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliance and splendor]. 31 And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet and they will gather together His elect (God’s chosen ones) from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.


36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be [unexpected judgment].
 
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Too bad god was having a bad day and decided not to inspire that this 7 year covenant ended the efficacy of the sacrifices. Normal people read that and understand it to mean the physical acts of sacrifice end. That is what God inspired to write! I don't think He needs an editor
The claim that OT sacrifices did not cease at Calvary is false.

Hebrews 10
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

The rituals that were conducted after Calvary were no longer sacrifices. Instead, they were the blasphemous attempts of apostate Jewry to repudiate and reverse the irreversible accomplishments of Christ's own Sacrifice, wherein He took away the OT sacrifices to establish His own Sacrifice once and for all, ending any further offering for sin through His own remission thereof.

Fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel 9:27 specifically and explicitly.
 
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The coming event is worse than the flood in Noahs day as the Heavens pass away also. In both cases only the elect survive this GT...,


Matt 24
21 For at that time there will be a great tribulation (pressure, distress, oppression), such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will [again]. 22 And if those days [of tribulation] had not been cut short, no human life would be saved; but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened. 23 Then if anyone says to you [during the great tribulation], ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and they will provide great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones). 25 Listen carefully, I have told you in advance.


29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not provide its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And at that time the sign of the Son of Man [coming in His glory] will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth [and especially Israel] will mourn [regretting their rebellion and rejection of the Messiah], and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliance and splendor]. 31 And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet and they will gather together His elect (God’s chosen ones) from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.


36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be [unexpected judgment].
You make no sense!
You quote; Jesus will sweep them all away at the coming of the Son of Man. [He comes to punish the godless peoples and is not seen; Amos 1, Psalms 18:7-15, Revelation 6:11-17
Then you quote; Immediately after that tribulation, [The Seals, Trumpets and Bowls] Jesus will Return in glory [as the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's]

These are plainly two different events; most people will survive the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Luke 21:34-35.
At the Return Jesus will kill all the rest of the ungodly peoples at Armageddon and only His faithful Christian peoples will join Him for the Millennium.
 

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We don't know where the AC will rule from, but he will come to the new nation of Beulah, then living in all of the holy Land and negotiate a 7 year peace treaty with them. Isaiah 28:14-15 refers to it.

Before He sits in the holy of holies in the reconstructed temple and rules from Jerusalem he comes from Babylon which was His capitol. If there is a place before that- Scripture is unclear.

Beulah is an old land and name for Israel.
The Gog/Magog attack on the Christian peoples living unprotected by military defences, will happen about 10+ years before Jesus Returns.
The Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls will start exactly 1260 days before Jesus Returns.

All the plainly stated Prophesies make a coherent and logical sequence. To shuffle them around is just confusion.

Yes the Russian invasion must occur at least 10 1/2 years before the start of the 70th week of Daniel commences. Most people call the 70th week the tribulation with the second half when the antichrist commits the abomination of desolation as the great tribulation.

But when you look at all teh Ot prophecies of the tribulation period (all 7 years), which is called the time of Jacobs troubles and not the body of Christs troubles.

And no the peoples are the Jews living back in Israel! Ezekiel 37-38 and 39 make that explicitly and unequivocally clear. And one of the results of God destroying the invaders is a great revival in Israel!

I have not shuffled them around, I just completely and absolutely disagree with your allegorical reinterpretation of the Scriptures as defining whom these things affect. We have gone round and round on this in about 4-5 threads now!
 

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most people will survive the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster. Luke 21:34-35.

I thought you said it would be similar to Noah's day ?

Unless God intervened with a plan of salvation, nobody would have survived.
But God Gave Noah the plans of the ark and the elect were saved.

So it shall be when the Son of Man comes..,



Matt 24
21 For at that time there will be a great tribulation (pressure, distress, oppression), such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will [again]. 22 And if those days [of tribulation] had not been cut short, no human life would be saved; but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened. 23 Then if anyone says to you [during the great tribulation], ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and they will provide great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones). 25 Listen carefully, I have told you in advance.


Its clearly a worse time than Noah's flood.



36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be [unexpected judgment].
 

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And no the peoples are the Jews living back in Israel! Ezekiel 37-38 and 39 make that explicitly and unequivocally clear. And one of the results of God destroying the invaders is a great revival in Israel!
Ezekiel 38 & 39 NEVER mention Judah. G/M attacks a people gathered out of the nations....
They are Christians: peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 5:9, +
The Jewish Israelis will be gone; Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:14, Romans 9:27

Your belief of a general Jewish redemption is not Biblical. And your rapture to heaven belief, is false.
I thought you said it would be similar to Noah's day ?

Unless God intervened with a plan of salvation, nobody would have survived.
But God Gave Noah the plans of the ark and the elect were saved.

So it shall be when the Son of Man comes..,
As the worlds population is so much more now, the deaths caused will be more than in the Flood. For example; the entire Middle East region, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:16 and around the world; Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 25:33
Probably 2 or 3 billion will be killed, but we will see the fiery mass sent by the Lord approaching, Ezekiel 7:10-27, Joel 2:1-11 and just to take suitable cover for that Day, will allow most to survive. Revelation 6:15, Isaiah 2:21
We Christians are Promised the Lord's protection; Isaiah 43:2, Isaiah 41:12, Psalms 91, but we need to stand firm in our faith and to call upon the Name of the Lord in trust and belief in His protection thru all that must happen.
 

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As the worlds population is so much more now, the deaths caused will be more than in the Flood.

Probably 2 or 3 billion will be killed, but we will see the fiery mass sent by the Lord approaching, Ezekiel 7:10-27, Joel 2:1-11 and just to take suitable cover for that Day, will allow most to survive.

You continue to overlook what Jesus said here...,

Matt 24
21 For at that time there will be a great tribulation (pressure, distress, oppression), such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will [again].

22 And if those days [of tribulation] had not been cut short, no human life would be saved; but for the sake of the elect (God’s chosen ones) those days will be shortened.


Just like the flood , God has in place a salvation only for the elect and will intervene on our behalf.

Acts 17
30 Therefore God overlooked and disregarded the former ages of ignorance; but now He commands all people everywhere to repent [that is, to change their old way of thinking, to regret their past sins, and to seek God’s purpose for their lives], 31 because He has set a day when He will judge the inhabited world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed and destined for that task, and He has provided credible proof to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”


2Pet 3
3 First of all, know [without any doubt] that mockers will come in the last days with their mocking, following after their own human desires 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming [what has become of it]? For ever since the fathers fell asleep [in death], all things have continued [exactly] as they did from the beginning of creation.” 5 For they willingly forget [the fact] that the heavens existed long ago by the word of God, and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly people.
 

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Just like the flood , God has in place a salvation only for the elect and will intervene on our behalf.
I agree that only the elect, that is: all the faithful Christian peoples will be saved and will go into the Millennium.
But the Prophecy that will be similar to the Flood, is the Sixth Seal and that event shows there will be many survivors.

Armageddon will be the final destruction of all the rest of the ungodly. Revelation 16:12-18
 

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Ezekiel 38 & 39 NEVER mention Judah. G/M attacks a people gathered out of the nations....
They are Christians: peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 5:9, +
The Jewish Israelis will be gone; Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Isaiah 22:14, Romans 9:27

Your belief of a general Jewish redemption is not Biblical. And your rapture to heaven belief, is false.

As the worlds population is so much more now, the deaths caused will be more than in the Flood. For example; the entire Middle East region, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:16 and around the world; Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 25:33
Probably 2 or 3 billion will be killed, but we will see the fiery mass sent by the Lord approaching, Ezekiel 7:10-27, Joel 2:1-11 and just to take suitable cover for that Day, will allow most to survive. Revelation 6:15, Isaiah 2:21
We Christians are Promised the Lord's protection; Isaiah 43:2, Isaiah 41:12, Psalms 91, but we need to stand firm in our faith and to call upon the Name of the Lord in trust and belief in His protection thru all that must happen.

My belief of a Jewish redemption is biblical. I do not know what you mean by general, but in the trib period, while the Jews are hiding in Petra, three days before Jesus returns the 1/3 of all Jews who have survived the trib, will have the veil lifted and receive Jesus as messiah!

You misquote Jer. 12- that is the enemies of Israel.

Same with Zeph. Maktesh was the Phoenician quater of Jerusalem so it is phoenicians not Israelis.
Same with Isaiah. shebna was in Saudi Arabia.
Same with romans 9. There a remant is promised and like Zech states- that will be the 1/3 left at the end of the trib.

Same with Isaiah who says God gathers Israel back to the land to judge them and purge out the rebellious! You should take the counsel of all SCripture.

Ez. 37 clearly shows God reviving the Jewish peoples and it is to sanctify His name among the gentiles! And they will dwell in the land of Israel as promised.

Ez. 38 is further clarified by Isaiah, for it is the Jews who are gathered from all the lands the Lord has scattered them. Exactly like has been happening since 1948! Christians from all over the world are not going ot Israel, but Israelis are! Only those who find it necessary to correct teh Inspired Word of god and reinterpret passages would say this is not the Jewish people! It is so blatantly clear.

Ez. 39 you are so mistaken that Israel as the Jewish people is not mentioned! they are mentioned specifically at least three times and contrated against teh heathen (gentiles)

Once again we have the word of God as written and the Word of Keraz. Why should I believe your reinterpretation more than what God inspired to be written as it is written. Don't go back to your old arguments, they have all been rebutted.

Teh only justification you use for calling teh church the "Israel of god" is by slaughtering grammar for that passage in Galatians.
 

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Here is my timeline and dates for Daniels 70-weeks prophecy.

"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city… Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks …
And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; … he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” (Daniel 9:24-27 NKJV abbrev.)




As you can see, I have it starting 457 BC date being Artaxerxes' 7th year. However, there have been no small number of differences when it comes to the terminus a quo of Daniels weeks. Some say the first year of Cyrus in 538 BC. Others say Darius (520 BC) Still others, Artaxerxes' 20th year (444 BC)

As if that wasn’t as all over the place enough, the crucifixion of Jesus – the high point of the prophecy – has ranged from AD 29 to AD 33!

We could do without the muddle and, as you can see, the diagram shows exactly 7 + 62 + ½ weeks from the emperor’s decree until the cross. Let’s discuss.
Are you suggesting that a covenant for 7 years was confirmed with many in 33 or 34 AD?
 

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Which is simply laughable.
Keep laughing.

Merely the historic orthodox Christian Church for 17 centuries.

John Calvin
"The angel now continues his discourse concerning Christ by saying, he should confirm the treaty with many for one week This clause answers to the former, in which Christ is called a Leader. Christ took upon him the character of a leader, or assumed the kingly office, when he promulgated the grace of God. This is the confirmation of the covenant of which the angel now speaks. As we have already stated, the legal expiation of other ritual ceremonies which God designed to confer on the fathers is contrasted with the blessings derived from Christ; and we now gather the same idea from the phrase, the confirmation of the covenant...
Now, therefore, we understand why the angel says, Christ should confirm the covenant for one week, and why that week was placed last in order. In this week will he confirm the covenant with many."

Reformed, Methodist, Presbyterian, Wesleyan, Church of Christ, Church of God (Anderson Indiana), Nazarene, Primitive Baptist, Lutheran, Anglican, Puritan.

The last laugh isn't yours.
 
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Quoting Calvin "...Christ took upon him the character of a leader, or assumed the kingly office, when he promulgated the grace of God. This is the confirmation of the covenant of which the angel now speaks..."
This is not even a proper exegesis of the passage. Just pure speculation! If Messiah was "cut off" before the coming of "the prince that shall come" (and that would be over 2,000 years before), how could He confirm the covenant, which was only TEMPORARY according to Daniel?

Do you see how laughable this is? Making Christ party to a bogus and deceptive covenant with the Jews, which was to be broken in mid-stream so that the Abomination of Desolation could be set up in the future temple at Jerusalem? This is not only bizarre but blasphemous.
 
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This is not even a proper exegesis of the passage. Just pure speculation! If Messiah was "cut off" before the coming of "the prince that shall come" (and that would be over 2,000 years before), how could He confirm the covenant, which was only TEMPORARY according to Daniel?

Do you see how laughable this is? Making Christ party to a bogus and deceptive covenant with the Jews, which was to be broken in mid-stream so that the Abomination of Desolation could be set up in the future temple at Jerusalem? This is not only bizarre but blasphemous.
Go argue with John Calvin.

Then go argue with the entire historic orthodox Christian Church.

Then go argue with all of the listed denominations which are true to historic Christian Church orthodoxy.

Tell us what they say.

The blasphemy and apostasy lie with modern dispensational futurism's rejection of the New Covenant in Christ's Blood of which Daniel prophesied.
 

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My belief of a Jewish redemption is biblical. I do not know what you mean by general, but in the trib period, while the Jews are hiding in Petra, three days before Jesus returns the 1/3 of all Jews who have survived the trib, will have the veil lifted and receive Jesus as messiah!
This is simply unscriptural rubbish; The Jews hid in Pella in 66 AD. Petra is waterless ruins.
Over 20 clearly stated Prophesies tell about the virtual demise of the House of Judah. Isaiah 22:14
You misquote Jer. 12- that is the enemies of Israel.
Jeremiah 12:14-16 undeniably says that Judah will be uprooted from the holy Land and only a few Christian Jewish families allowed back.

Your idea that the Jews are the Israel of God, is a direct rejection of the entire Ministry of Jesus.