attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

[Lizbeth]

Um, no. Alexandria and Constantnople and the Bishops with them have valid authority.

Where is the 2000 year old apoostolic community that has any other practice?

'every planting not of my Father will be uprooted'

Pax et Bonum

1Co 12:4-11

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


1 Peter 4:10-11

As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.

If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.


1Co 12:18-31

But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

And if they were all one member, where were the body?

But now are they many members, yet but one body.

And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked:

That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

What stands out to me is that it is the LORD who gives spiritual gifts to every member of the Body as HE wills and sees fit. Not by man's appointments, not by popularity and political contests and maneuvering and judging by outward appearances...but by HIS SPIRIT. And there is to be no schism between the various gifts....no division/distinction between "clergy" and "laity". Except the LORD build the house they labour in vain, and so yes, He will pull up every planting that HE didn't plant. Man in his flesh so wants to control and be in control, to make everything cut and dried and neatly tied up with a bow, but God by His Spirit doesn't work according to man's way...His ways are higher than ours. If any group or church were of God they would HAVE HIS SPIRIT AND BE LED BY HIM.

 

[WalkInLight]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

Jesus did not attack the pharisees and rulers for their title or role, but rather hypocrisy and the teaching given.
Salvation is about love and knowing God, a righteous walk, and seeing things rightly from within.

Once you grasp this, the failure of any group is not a failure at all, it is the individuals themselves. Often you get a teacher
who takes a certain view with implications theologically and practically which the group follow. The error is in the points
taught about and the resulting fruit. The fruit is an indication of the failure of what is being taught, but change only
comes when the Holy Spirit brings His light into the situation and into the hearts of believers.

Ironically unbelievers are not going to listen, because by their nature they are incapable of correction or seeing the failure.
I have had discussions with such folk, and when you try and show the obvious need for us to be like children, to love from
the heart, to repent and bring blessings to all we meet they fail to even see it, let alone know why this is the light of Jesus.

So whatever flows from them is always going to be a problem

 

[Brakelite]

While this is off topic it won't hurt to see the goals of Islam and how poorly the West has responded.

Hey Enoch, not off topic at all brother. We need to discuss anything that even appears to be a threat to our faith. And Islam, for many years has definitely been a threat to the faith of many, and costing many more their temporal lives to boot.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That's a very good question.

I'd like to think that I have, but certainly not perfectly..

And God, in His goodness, continues to provide as He always has done.

So then, does abuse by those with valid authority over us justify the cry of 'non serviam' ?

What of the rebellion of Korah, that Jude also warns us against?

Pax et Bonum

This was only a side conversation, but it’s the first one that grabbed me in this thread.
Your trust plays very much into this circumstance you’ve found yourself in.
If you really do believe that God guides your steps and that He works all things to your good and that no one could do anything to you unless God permitted it - if you truly believe these promises - even the circumstance of being wrongly fired will be accepted in trust. :)

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Slander and lies rather than adressing the points raised?
Seems this is degenerating quickly into a good example of this threads main theme.. In any case, your unwillingness to engage in true dialouge is enough for me, welcome to the ignore list..

Pax et Bonum

Thank you.
But it won't stop those you ignore from seeing and countering your false teachings.

The posts here aren't lies and slander against the Roman church.

In point of fact they reiterate what the church itself says of its supremacy.

That the only true church is the Roman Catholic Latin Rite church.

Which is false.

The rock Christ built his church upon was himself and his authority as God. He ,the rock, was referred to in the old testament long before Peter was born.
The Roman church blends paganism with its version of the gospel that makes the church primary.

People can find this out with very little study.

 

[Gregory]

All Christians have the obligation to correct an error in our Christian doctrines.

What we do not have the obligation to do is get angry when someone does not believe our correction is correct.

It is one thing to be rejected, it is a whole other thing to react to the rejection wrongly, by arguing and then finally name calling and being unChristian-like to a person that does not see things the way you do.

So we try to help them see their error. We admonish. We teach. We love. And then we watch how they react. If they want to become rude and argue with you, we simply bear our testimonies of Jesus Christ and leave the discussion, blessing them with our love them and may God be with them.

 

[amigo de christo]

Correcting someone who is in error of God's Truth and His Commandments is something that must be done in love.

If you are exposing
false teachers, prophets, or witnesses then you should be certain they are false. There is a difference between the false servants whose teachings align with the antichrist and denominations who believe in what their church teaches about the Bible.

As you so often point out the RCC...I have met some truly anointed members who attend the Catholic church and they live righteously....so to just say RCC without being specific as to which Catholic Church you are referring to? It is lumping all Christians of the Catholic faith into one big melting pot....
There are as many offshoots of the RCC who are still Catholics just as there are of the Baptist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian....and on and on....and the offshoots have different doctrines than the original church....see what I am getting at?

Now any person who posts anything contrary to God's Word are banned...and I believe the team has done a decent and fair job of dealing with such members. Blasphemy is a lifetime ban. Now don't confuse members of other denominations who have different doctrines and how they interpret scripture with heretics and blasphemers.
And lastly, what purpose are you seeking when correcting someone? Do you truly love them as a brother and desire to see them saved from deception and ignorance? To see them grow more in the Wisdom and Knowledge of His Word?
The Apostles taught us how to correct a brother in love and their example is what we.should follow.

James 5 (KJV)
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¹⁹ Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
²⁰ Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

“If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”
— James 1:26 (KJV)


2 Timothy 2 (KJV)
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²⁴ And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
²⁵ In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
²⁶ And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Yes indeed it must be done in love .
AND the apostels knew the love of GOD more than this tanked generation ever could .

 

[amigo de christo]

Correcting someone who is in error of God's Truth and His Commandments is something that must be done in love.

If you are exposing
false teachers, prophets, or witnesses then you should be certain they are false. There is a difference between the false servants whose teachings align with the antichrist and denominations who believe in what their church teaches about the Bible.

As you so often point out the RCC...I have met some truly anointed members who attend the Catholic church and they live righteously....so to just say RCC without being specific as to which Catholic Church you are referring to? It is lumping all Christians of the Catholic faith into one big melting pot....
There are as many offshoots of the RCC who are still Catholics just as there are of the Baptist, Pentecostal, Presbyterian....and on and on....and the offshoots have different doctrines than the original church....see what I am getting at?

Now any person who posts anything contrary to God's Word are banned...and I believe the team has done a decent and fair job of dealing with such members. Blasphemy is a lifetime ban. Now don't confuse members of other denominations who have different doctrines and how they interpret scripture with heretics and blasphemers.
And lastly, what purpose are you seeking when correcting someone? Do you truly love them as a brother and desire to see them saved from deception and ignorance? To see them grow more in the Wisdom and Knowledge of His Word?
The Apostles taught us how to correct a brother in love and their example is what we.should follow.

James 5 (KJV)
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¹⁹ Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
²⁰ Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

“If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”
— James 1:26 (KJV)


2 Timothy 2 (KJV)
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²⁴ And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
²⁵ In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
²⁶ And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

concerning the so called righteous catholics that you observe . Are they still comitting blasphemy against GOD
by praying to saints , to mary , praying to angels and etc . Exactly .

 

[BarneyFife]

There have been a few SDA threads started but nothing like what Catholic threads have been.

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To be fair, threads attacking the Adventist faith can be cloaked in, or result from, threads about the Sabbath, the Law, etc.:

(In any case, the attacks against any denomination or belief are usually based on the simple expectation of a certain amount of objection.)

Observing The Old Testament Sabbath ???

Carnal Hypocrisy of Sabbath Commanders

Is observation of the Sabbath day a requirement for Christians?

The Sabbath was a Carnal Commandment, Now it is False Law

Why don't Sabbath Day Commanders ever speak of the Inner Man?

The Sabbath Day
(The OP was actually deleted on this one. ¿ )

Modern Sabbath's Corban

No Sabbath Commandment nor name of Jehovah after the cross

The Sabbath Preached Today is the Lord's Sabbath of Old

One member actually started no less than 5 threads objecting to the Sabbath within the space of 10 days.

So if one wishes to bait Adventists, they need not mention the name of the denomination.

I can't find any threads attacking Catholics until the fifth page of trending topics.

I know we have them. I just don't see any very active ones right now.

I don't want to imply a martyr mentality, but Seventh-day Adventists take quite a beating on nearly any general forum on Christianity.

It's generally assumed that we are rank-and-file legalists and elitists.

That's just the way things are.

And the charge is not without its merits.

Many Adventists represent the church quite reprehensively.

Done it myself a time or two. Not proud of that.
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[Ronald Nolette]

If a particular denomination or denominations are intimately involved in prophetic events that spell trouble for those remaining faithful to the gospel and God's calling on their lives, but we cannot expose them as the danger and hypocrites that they are, even deceived of Satan and we being limited in warning others of those dangers, what are we to do?
How would y'all suggest we go about exposing deception in favor of truth without being described as 'attacking'?

Well if you quote that particular denomination and then attack the teaching- that is not attacking teh church or denomination but a belief.

 

[amigo de christo]

Be prepared to be hated , misunderstood and flat out seen as evil . But never once turn a blind eye to error .
IF we love the brethren we CORRECT the brethren . Todays love getting preached and taught is not compatible at all
with the Pattern Christ and the apostels taught . And i for one will be long dead before it cease from that pattern .
WHY , cause its the only pattern that works . Now march onwards in the LORD .

 

[amigo de christo]

I have been called more names than i can count . Yet it all bounces right off . IF we love we correct .
And if we are so worried about persecution that we cant even handle attacks against us on the site ,
THEN how on earth are we gonna handle attacks when they come in PERSON . My advice is
worry not what folks will say or think about you . Fear not to be hated or persecuted , just speak the truth
Let the cards fall where they fall . The lambs HAVE A GOOD END , THANKS TO GOD and to CHRIST
so marvel not if we suffer in this life . For not only is it given unto us to BELIEVE ON CHRIST
but also to SUFFER FOR HIM . AND when we do suffer for him , HE IS GLORIFIED ON OUR PART .
SO fear not man , fear not death , fear not to suffer or be hated . JUST SPEAK the TRUTH
and learn those bibles WELL . cause we have far too many HIRELINGS in churches THAT AINT KEEPING the ORGINAL PATTERN .

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Yes indeed it must be done in love .
AND the apostels knew the love of GOD more than this tanked generation ever could .

That's because they walked with him,heard him speak, and looked in his eyes and touched him.

Today's world is far darker and more corrupt and overcome with sin than in their day.

I don't think we should be too hard on ourselves for defending the righteous gospel from that which Christ condemned in harsh words.
Those who were of their father the devil then are also with us today.

Matthew 16
11 How is it that you fail to understand that I did not speak about bread? Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
Matthew 16 ESV;MOUNCE - The Pharisees and Sadducees Demand - Bible Gateway

 

[amigo de christo]

That's because they walked with him,heard him speak, and looked in his eyes and touched him.

Today's world is far darker and more corrupt and overcome with sin than in their day.

I don't think we should be too hard on ourselves for defending the righteous gospel from that which Christ condemned in harsh words.
Those who were of their father the devil then are also with us today.

Matthew 16
11 How is it that you fail to understand that I did not speak about bread? Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”
Matthew 16 ESV;MOUNCE - The Pharisees and Sadducees Demand - Bible Gateway

Which means we should only be increasing in contending for the true faith my friend .
On the DAY of the LORD its too late . Either one was a goat or a sheep .
And as i desire none to perish i say its time to correct all error within brethren and to procliam the glorious gospel
to all . Cause one day its gonna be TOO LATE . The wickedness of inquity has abounded massive and specially
in just the last few years . It has sped up and keeps speeding up . WHICH IS PROOF time on this earth IS RUNNING OUT .
And i desire only good for the peoples . THUS the biblical pattern must be kept and taught and we must
contend for the true faith .

 

[amigo de christo]

Too many folks keep waiting for some kind of revival . WHEN IN TRUTH we already HAVE ALL WE NEED RIGHT NOW .
IF we want souls saved , THEN GET UP and start doing all to point souls to CHRIST .
And if we want folks in churches to get on the right path , THEN WE GOTTA CORRECT and teach that bible
and keep that pattern . Too many folks are gonna find out too little too late
as they waited and waited on revival , THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ALL WE NEED to procliam the truth and preach CHRIST .
WE HAVE CHRIST . Paul did not wait on some kind of revival , HE GOT UP and simply preached the gospel
and always corrected error and always taught truth . I Suggest we do the same and quickly , cause i am telling us all
TIME is running out a whole lot faster than folks realize . AND thus the LOVE OF CHRIST COMPELS US
to get up and point to HIM while there still be time to do so .

 

[BarneyFife]

Well if you quote that particular denomination and then attack the teaching- that is not attacking teh church or denomination but a belief.

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Do you have any idea how many times you've thoughtlessly used the word "cult" here?

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Is that what you call "attack(ing) the teaching?"

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[BarneyFife]

Too many folks keep waiting for some kind of revival . WHEN IN TRUTH we already HAVE ALL WE NEED RIGHT NOW .
IF we want souls saved , THEN GET UP and start doing all to point souls to CHRIST .
And if we want folks in churches to get on the right path , THEN WE GOTTA CORRECT and teach that bible
and keep that pattern . Too many folks are gonna find out too little too late
as they waited and waited on revival , THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ALL WE NEED to procliam the truth and preach CHRIST .
WE HAVE CHRIST . Paul did not wait on some kind of revival , HE GOT UP and simply preached the gospel
and always corrected error and always taught truth . I Suggest we do the same and quickly , cause i am telling us all
TIME is running out a whole lot faster than folks realize . AND thus the LOVE OF CHRIST COMPELS US
to get up and point to HIM while there still be time to do so .

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AMEN, BROTHER!!
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[L.A.M.B.]

Definition:
Intransitive verb
1. To strive in opposition or against difficulties; struggling.
( This is the contending for our faith we are to do ! Regardless of the situation, peer pressure, firey trials and even persecution we stand firm in the Spirit of God. He takes his vengence and he fights our battles,we have to stand firm !)

2.to strive in COMPETITION, as in a race; vie.
( We are in a competition but it IS NOT AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, IT IS AGAINST THE DECEIVER OF OUR SOULS;........THE DEVIL.
This race must be run with patience,with love and in the Spirit. We press toward the MARK, but we dont trample one another. It is not a stampede.)

3. To strive in CONTROVERSY or debate; DISPUTE.

HEREIN IS WHERE I FIND SO MANY FALTER 3. DOES GOD NEED US ? NO, BUT HE CREATED US TO AND FOR LOVE & WORSHIP !
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PUT OTHERS BEFORE OURSELVES AND THE BRETHERN ABOVE ALL.

 

[amigo de christo]

Definition:
Intransitive verb
1. To strive in opposition or against difficulties; struggling.
( This is the contending for our faith we are to do ! Regardless of the situation, peer pressure, firey trials and even persecution we stand firm in the Spirit of God. He takes his vengence and he fights our battles,we have to stand firm !)

2.to strive in COMPETITION, as in a race; vie.
( We are in a competition but it IS NOT AGAINST ONE ANOTHER, IT IS AGAINST THE DECEIVER OF OUR SOULS;........THE DEVIL.
This race must be run with patience,with love and in the Spirit. We press toward the MARK, but we dont trample one another. It is not a stampede.)

3. To strive in CONTROVERSY or debate; DISPUTE.

HEREIN IS WHERE I FIND SO MANY FALTER 3. DOES GOD NEED US ? NO, BUT HE CREATED US TO AND FOR LOVE & WORSHIP !
WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PUT OTHERS BEFORE OURSELVES AND THE BRETHERN ABOVE ALL.

And if we put the brethren before us then for their good we do correct them . Not fearing backlash , but simply doing
what is best for the brethren . I will leave us with some of pauls own words .
HAVE I become your enemy because i tell you the TRUTH .
OR
THOUGH the more abundantely i love you the LESS i be loved . Cause love cometh with correction . WE must do all now
to contend for the true faith , the true pattern of all things JESUS and the original church left us .
ITS the only pattern that works . Now march onwards in the LORD .

 

[Philip James]

concerning the so called righteous catholics that you observe . Are they still comitting blasphemy against GOD
by praying to saints , to mary , praying to angels and etc . Exactly .

Asking our righteous brothers and sisters to pray for us is not blasphemy..

Pax et Bonum